I wonder what ever happened to the real Sister Lucy after the election
of Roncalli as John XXIII, the name of a previous anti pope that should
tell us something.

It's all about connecting a bunch of dots.

1) Our Lady said that Russia would be the instrument of God's chastisement of the world.  V2 can be seen as God's chastisement of the world.

2) Sister Lucy said that Our Lady wanted the Third Secret reavealed before 1960 because it "would be much clearer then".

3) Bella Dodd revealed that Communists had been infiltrating high positions in the Church.

4) Roncalli was notorious for his association with high ranking Communists (and Freemasons).  US State Department warned Pius XII of this and kept a file on Roncalli in that regard.

5) Two independent sources claim that Roncalli knew beforehand that his election would be arranged, and one of these explicitly states that it was planned by Masonic forces in the Vatican.

6) Once source indicates that Siri was pressured (by Communist agents within the conclave) into resigning by threats of atrocities against bishops and priests operating behind the Iron Curtain, and another even suggets that Russia threatened to nuke the Vatican.

7) It was considered almost certain that Siri would be elected pope.

8) While offering Mass during the sedevacante period, a dove landed on Cardinal Siri's shoulder, which many took to be a sign of the Holy Spirit's selection of Siri.

9) Siri was very anti-Communist.

10) Among Roncalli's first actions was to establish diplomatic ties with the Communists.

11) Roncalli promised that V2 would not condemn Communism (which most people though was the purpose of V2 going in) ... in exchange for the Orthodox schismatics sending representatives to V2.

12) Roncalli's election was hailed by leading Communist and Freemasonic publications.

13) Roncalli's first encyclical Pacem in Terris referred in very cryptic terms to a "mysterious force" rising in the world.  "Mysterious Force" was an early name for Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (look it up).

14) Roncalli's first appointment as Cardinal was Montini, who had been refused the red hat by Pius XII because he was implicated with outing bishops and priests operating clandestinely behind the Iron Curtain.

15) Montini publicly wore the Judaeo-Freemasonic "ephod of Caiaphas" but stopped wearing it after being outed by the Abbe De Nantes regarding this.

16) Former FBI Consultant cites State Deparment docuмents (we know the US had moles inside the conclave just as the Soviets did) which indicate that Siri was elected and even mentioned the name he chose (Gregory XVII).

17) Malachi Martin says that Siri was elected.

18) Smoke signal "problems" in 1958, where the smoke was white for a full five minutes and even sources within the conclave confirmed that a Pope had been elected.

19) Cardinal Siri, when asked if he was elected said that he was bound by the secret but that "very serious" matters took place within the conclave.

20) JPI was a known Communist sympathizer.

21) Karol Wojtyla was suspected of being a "Pax Priest" (Communist collaborator).  While Cardinal Wyszynski was under house arrest, Bishop Wojtyla was touring the world giving lectures on phenomenology.

22) V2 reads like a veritable Freemasonic Manifesto, enshrining into NO theology the principles of liberte (Religious Liberty), egalite (priesthood of the faithful, collegiality), and fraternite (Ecuмenism).

23) Horrific fruits of Vatican II.

24) That the Holy Spirit protects the Pope and the Church and that a legitimate Pope cannot lead the entire Church into error through his authoritative teaching.

25) Our Lady of LaSalette referring to Rome losing the faith and becoming the Seat of the Antichrist.  Antichrist is referred to in Scripture as "dissolving Christ" and by various saints as setting up a religion of man.  One can cite myriad references to that effect from the V2 papal claimants.

26) St. Francis of Assisi gave prophecies about an uncanonically elected pope who would try to destroy the Church.

Too many dots to ignore here.  I'm sure that I missed quite a few also.  These are just what come off the top of my head.

M Martin said that Pope Siri was elected & then declined. This appears incorrect as he took the name of Pope Gregory.

One dot missing above---- C Siri was the known favorite of Pius XII.  :boxer:

I see this was posted on FE too and saw a poster responded by saying that he couldn't see a traditional Cardinal allowing this to happen to the Church even if it meant his own life.  When I read that I remembered that that was one of my questions as well.

What do you all say to that here?

I also missed things like the Alta Vendita and the original St. Michael prayer composed by Leo XIII and the warnings of St. Pius X along the same lines.  And I'm sure many other things as well.  I was just going off the top of my head.

It's all about connecting a bunch of dots.

1) Our Lady said that Russia would be the instrument of God's chastisement of the world.  V2 can be seen as God's chastisement of the world.

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This is an excellent post Ladislaus! Thank you.

Luke

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Not crazy by any means.

I don't think so either.  It makes about as much sense as any other explanation of this 50 year mess.  And BXVI, who would be the first one validly elected since Cardinal Siri's death, has arguably been the most orthodox since VII and was potentially coerced into stepping down.

The communists and the jews would definitely prefer Roncalli to Siri and Bergy to Ratzinger.

Granted, it appeared that BXVI was orthodox, but I still question that.  I would agree that he was probably the best of the anti-popes (if that is possible).

You must be joking; the man is a modernist apostate heretic through and through.

His whole "traditional conservative" aura, wherever it came from, makes him all the more dangerous because he deceives those who want to be deceived.

"He looks traditional!" they say, and swoosh, they're duped.

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Not crazy by any means.

I don't think so either.  It makes about as much sense as any other explanation of this 50 year mess.  And BXVI, who would be the first one validly elected since Cardinal Siri's death, has arguably been the most orthodox since VII and was potentially coerced into stepping down.

The communists and the jews would definitely prefer Roncalli to Siri and Bergy to Ratzinger.

Granted, it appeared that BXVI was orthodox, but I still question that.  I would agree that he was probably the best of the anti-popes (if that is possible).

You must be joking; the man is a modernist apostate heretic through and through.

His whole "traditional conservative" aura, wherever it came from, makes him all the more dangerous because he deceives those who want to be deceived.

"He looks traditional!" they say, and swoosh, they're duped.

I am definitely referring to appearances.  Compared to JPII and Francis though, we heard less of what he said/did (the only thing I recall being "news" was his condom comment).

He certainly was more "quiet" than those two, that's for sure.

He did say some outrageous things about the "Orthodox" and the Anglicans though, the Dimonds have all that docuмented.

But it's wrong to say he was the "best" of them; the right term is "less bad" or "less damaging".

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Not crazy by any means.

I don't think so either.  It makes about as much sense as any other explanation of this 50 year mess.  And BXVI, who would be the first one validly elected since Cardinal Siri's death, has arguably been the most orthodox since VII and was potentially coerced into stepping down.

The communists and the jews would definitely prefer Roncalli to Siri and Bergy to Ratzinger.

Granted, it appeared that BXVI was orthodox, but I still question that.  I would agree that he was probably the best of the anti-popes (if that is possible).

You must be joking; the man is a modernist apostate heretic through and through.

His whole "traditional conservative" aura, wherever it came from, makes him all the more dangerous because he deceives those who want to be deceived.

"He looks traditional!" they say, and swoosh, they're duped.

I am definitely referring to appearances.  Compared to JPII and Francis though, we heard less of what he said/did (the only thing I recall being "news" was his condom comment).

Benedict/Ratzinger was not orthodox.  He did not believe in the Resurrection of bodies or the Real Presence in the Eucharist.  Vatican 2 was his baby.  He just had better tastes in music and liturgy than the others.  He loved participating in Jєωιѕн and Muslim worship and esteemed the Buddhist religion and received all sorts of things that symbolized false religions with esteem.  

He was not orthodox at all.  But he would make orthodox sounding statements here and there, and would contradict them in other places just as Pius X said modernists do.  He is not as ignorant as Bergi perhaps.  More well read, more scholarly.  He knows what the Church taught and contradicted it as can be noted by his "counter-syllabus" statement for instance.