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Fr. Herman Kramer, The Book of Destiny (1956)

"If Satan would contrive to hinder a papal election, the Church would suffer great travail."
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In 1956, Fr. Herman Bernard Kramer published a work called The Book of Destiny (Imprimatur), which is an interpretation of the Apocalypse, the last book of the Holy Bible (otherwise known as the book of Revelation).

In Apocalypse 12:1-5, we read:

"And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne."


Catholic biblical scholars typically see "the woman" as a symbol of both the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Catholic Church. Applying this prophecy to the Church, Fr. Kramer comments (bold print added):

". . . However, the text demands a more specific application to the definite future event to which the prophecy obviously points, and in which the Church suffers the keenest pangs passing at that time through the greatest crisis of her whole life. In that travail, she gives birth to some definite 'person' who is to RULE the Church with a rod of iron (verse 5). It then points to a conflict waged within the Church to elect one who was to 'rule all nations' in the manner clearly stated. In accord with the text this is unmistakably a PAPAL ELECTION, for only Christ and His Vicar have the divine right to rule ALL NATIONS. Furthermore, the Church does not travail in anguish at EVERY papal election which can be held without trouble or danger. But at this time the great powers may take a menacing attitude to hinder the election of the logical and expected candidate by threats of a general apostasy, assassination or imprisonment of this candidate if elected. This would suppose an extremely hostile mind in the governments of Europe towards the Church and would cause intense anguish to the Church, because an extended interregnum in the papacy is always disastrous and more so in a time of universal persecution. If Satan would contrive to hinder a papal election, the Church would suffer great travail.

". . . As a dragon, Satan through the evil world-powers of that time will enter the Church, interfere with her liberty and perhaps by stealthy suggestions having long before directed the choosing of candidates for the episcopate will now endeavor by threats of force to hinder the election of the worthiest candidate for the papacy."


(Herman Bernard Kramer, The Book of Destiny [TAN Books Reprint, 1975], pp. 277-279.)


We mention this interpretation of Apocalypse 12:1-5 because it appears that it may have been fulfilled in the disputed papal conclave of 1958, which met from October 25-28 to elect a successor to Pope Pius XII. Instead of producing a true Pope, however, it produced Anti-Pope John XXIII, the former Cardinal Angelo Roncalli of Venice, who called the "Second Vatican Council" and prepared the way and laid the foundations for the Novus Ordo Religion. Since Pius XII's death, there has been no known valid Pope, and the result is precisely the "extended interregnum in the papacy" which Fr. Kramer warns against, causing "intense anguish to the Church" and "great travail."

More information on the 1958 conclave can be found in the following video clip:



It's where all the official trouble began: the conclave of October 1958, which met to elect a successor to Pope Pius XII, and, after a great many ballots and some curious shenanigans, presented Cardinal Angelo Roncalli as "Pope" John XXIII. We present this video not to support the claim that Cardinal Giusseppe Siri was actually Pope Pius XII's successor, but to make people aware of the mysterious goings-on at this conclave, to get people to investigate it, and to pinpoint the moment in Church history that appears to contain the cause of the Eclipse of the Catholic Church and the introduction of the Novus Ordo Church and its false "Popes" and false new religion.

Related: Ex-FBI Consultant: U.S. Intel Docs say Cardinal Siri elected Pope Gregory XVII in 1958 (N.O. Watch report of August 10, 2004)

http://www.novusordowatch.org/kramer.htm#.UnFRmBDQs5Y

Is the above the Father Kramer we are talking about?:

Fr. Herman Kramer, The Book of Destiny (1956)

"If Satan would contrive to hinder a papal election, the Church would suffer great travail."
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In 1956, Fr. Herman Bernard Kramer published a work called The Book of Destiny (Imprimatur), which is an interpretation of the Apocalypse, the last book of the Holy Bible (otherwise known as the book of Revelation).

In Apocalypse 12:1-5, we read:

"And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne."


Catholic biblical scholars typically see "the woman" as a symbol of both the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Catholic Church. Applying this prophecy to the Church, Fr. Kramer comments (bold print added):

". . . However, the text demands a more specific application to the definite future event to which the prophecy obviously points, and in which the Church suffers the keenest pangs passing at that time through the greatest crisis of her whole life. In that travail, she gives birth to some definite 'person' who is to RULE the Church with a rod of iron (verse 5). It then points to a conflict waged within the Church to elect one who was to 'rule all nations' in the manner clearly stated. In accord with the text this is unmistakably a PAPAL ELECTION, for only Christ and His Vicar have the divine right to rule ALL NATIONS. Furthermore, the Church does not travail in anguish at EVERY papal election which can be held without trouble or danger. But at this time the great powers may take a menacing attitude to hinder the election of the logical and expected candidate by threats of a general apostasy, assassination or imprisonment of this candidate if elected. This would suppose an extremely hostile mind in the governments of Europe towards the Church and would cause intense anguish to the Church, because an extended interregnum in the papacy is always disastrous and more so in a time of universal persecution. If Satan would contrive to hinder a papal election, the Church would suffer great travail.

". . . As a dragon, Satan through the evil world-powers of that time will enter the Church, interfere with her liberty and perhaps by stealthy suggestions having long before directed the choosing of candidates for the episcopate will now endeavor by threats of force to hinder the election of the worthiest candidate for the papacy."


(Herman Bernard Kramer, The Book of Destiny [TAN Books Reprint, 1975], pp. 277-279.)


We mention this interpretation of Apocalypse 12:1-5 because it appears that it may have been fulfilled in the disputed papal conclave of 1958, which met from October 25-28 to elect a successor to Pope Pius XII. Instead of producing a true Pope, however, it produced Anti-Pope John XXIII, the former Cardinal Angelo Roncalli of Venice, who called the "Second Vatican Council" and prepared the way and laid the foundations for the Novus Ordo Religion. Since Pius XII's death, there has been no known valid Pope, and the result is precisely the "extended interregnum in the papacy" which Fr. Kramer warns against, causing "intense anguish to the Church" and "great travail."

More information on the 1958 conclave can be found in the following video clip:



It's where all the official trouble began: the conclave of October 1958, which met to elect a successor to Pope Pius XII, and, after a great many ballots and some curious shenanigans, presented Cardinal Angelo Roncalli as "Pope" John XXIII. We present this video not to support the claim that Cardinal Giusseppe Siri was actually Pope Pius XII's successor, but to make people aware of the mysterious goings-on at this conclave, to get people to investigate it, and to pinpoint the moment in Church history that appears to contain the cause of the Eclipse of the Catholic Church and the introduction of the Novus Ordo Church and its false "Popes" and false new religion.

Related: Ex-FBI Consultant: U.S. Intel Docs say Cardinal Siri elected Pope Gregory XVII in 1958 (N.O. Watch report of August 10, 2004)

Yes.

I always thought it was Christ, since we can say he does rule all nations, couldn't we?

The "man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod" is not Christ because, as Fr. Kramer said, "this 'son' will hardly have time to purify the Church, before he is persecuted, imprisoned and martyred. He is therefore surely not Christ." Another reason is, as I mentioned previously, that it cannot be said of the Mother of God that "she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered."

To think, Cardinal Siri might actually be in the Book of Revelation.

He certainly seems to fit the description well, especially that, as Fr. Kramer wrote regarding v. 4, "Satan will know, and the world-powers will know, that he is the likely choice for the papacy".

It has to do with a prophecy.  The put the prophecy together pretty will and say Bergi is Peter the Roman and explain why.  All the previous 7 were Priests but Bergi is not.  B XVI is the most insidious of the group.  He played an important role in getting the council to say the Mystical body of Christ "subsists" in the Catholic Church instead of the firm teaching of all the valid Popes who spoke to the issue that they are one in the same.

Are you talking about this?
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Their interpretation is at odds with Fr. Kramer's exegesis, the latter being an excellent summary that presents the Fathers' consensus on many points.

Quote from: Ladislaus

Here's the relevant quote from the Encyclical:

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19. Our thoughts turn to all the lands of this earth. We see all mankind striving for a better future; We see the awakening of a mysterious force, and this permits us to hope that men will be drawn by a right conscience and a sense of duty to advance the real interests of human society. That this goal may be realized in the fullest sense—that is, with the triumph of the kingdom of truth, justice, peace, and charity...

Bizarre terminology to say the least.

"We see the awakening of a mysterious force, and this permits us to hope that men will be drawn by a right conscience and a sense of duty to advance the real interests of human society."

As if the Church hasn't been advancing "the real interests of human society" for millennia?

Exactly.  As if the founding of the Church didn't "permit us to hope that men will be drawn by a right conscience ..."

This is secular humanist tripe and sounds very Freemasonic in that regard.  Then you add his bizarre choice of phrase, "mysterious force".  He doesn't refer to the Holy Spirit moving or to Our Lord, but to this inanimate "force".

I wouldn't be surprised of "The Force" of Star Wars fame had Masonic foundations.