Hopefully this thread will be the start of a mini-series about how the heresy that you can be saved in a false religion became all-prevalent and all-powerful.  

This miniseries will start out with a whimper, because I'm too tired to write much now.  But here is a short theological work from 1917 by the French Jesuit Father Bainvel.  The book is called Is there Salvation Outside the Catholic Church? and the answer as usual with these types is "Yes and no," as you might guess from a book whose very title asks a heretical question.

http://books.google.com/books?id=klFGAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=bainvel&source=bl&ots=1GYweRa2Uo&sig=fHGkdTSUFJlo1_KDYaGKE84SFtU&hl=en&ei=Hfh4S9HNFImMswPllvnKCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The same methodology is used over and over to get this heresy across.  With the hope that anyone reading will learn to be as wise as a serpent, I want to point out the use of psychological persuasion and how it is accomplished.

SECOND OBJECTIVE:  Start out by speaking of baptism of desire for catechumens and then, through a rapid series of changes and transitions, segue into implicit baptism of desire, implicit faith, salvation by invincible ignorance, and eventually salvation in false religions, all the while making people think you are still talking about baptism of desire.

In Bainvel's scheme, anyone who is seeking has already found.  Anyone searching for God's truth, who happens not to find it, is part of the Church already.  So much for "Seek and ye shall find."  Now it's "You have already found just by seeking and by being a good person."  

All this is is Voltaireanism in Catholic guise.  It also makes a liar out of Christ.  Why would He allow those who were sincerely seeking to be deceived?  He does not do any such thing.  Those who are deceived want to be deceived.

Is There Salvation Outside the Church?, pg. 57

"The soul who desires to live the divine life, desires at the same time to live in the normal environment in which this divine life abounds, where the influence of the Holy Spirit, as in its proper sphere of action, has full play.  Implicitly, then, such a soul desires to belong to the very body of the Church.  The desire, we say, is implicit, for the explicit desire would presuppose a knowledge of the Church as the unique society of salvation.  But there is as much reality in this implicit desire as in the explicit desire, since the limits of the one, like the limits of the other, are determined exclusively by the divine will and the fidelity of the soul to that will.  Hence we see that a soul may belong to the Church in desire, without suspecting at all that there is such a thing as a Church."

This would be fine if he was speaking of the implicit desire as the first step towards explicit knowledge.  Unfortunately, that is not the case, as we see when he then blasphemously asserts the Orthodox are in the sheepfold of Christ.

Is There Salvation Outside the Church?, pg. 58 --

"Is it not this desire that we spontaneously recognize in the case of our separated brethren" --

Interesting he uses that term before VII --

Is There Salvation Outside the Church?, pg. 58 --

"-- for example, in the case of the Anglicans and of the Orthodox Russians, when we see them adhering to Christ by faith and by works of faith, yet all the while in invincible ignorance of the exclusive rights of the Roman Church?"

There is more, but let me interject.  One common feature of these EENS heretics is that the invincible ignorance that used to be posited for some native on the dark continent or in America before the Spaniards got there somehow got attached to Jєωs, the Orthodox, Protestants and so on.  How could any of these people be invincibly ignorant?  The Orthodox, Jєωs, and Muslims existed at the time of St. Thomas, and so did the term "invincible ignorance," yet neither he nor anyone else ever thought to use the term invincible ignorance in reference to them.  Nor did St. Thomas or anyone else say that invincible ignorance was salvific.  

These heretics have branched out in two directions.  They have taken the concept of invincible ignorance, which is a punishment for sin and DOES NOT SAVE, and made it salvific.  On top of that, they have applied it to those who are not invincibly ignorant in the first place, even to the Jєωs, whose very existence is a walking rejection of Christ!

Back to Bainvel --

Is There Salvation Outside the Church?, pg. 58 --

"They are faithful sheep, yet they wander, unconsciously it is true, in the midst of a strange flock; but we regard them as members of the true flock of Christ because at heart, despite their errors, they are in the sheepfold of Christ."

1917, folks.  1917.  And Father Bainvel was by no means alone with his heresy back then.  So you see, Vatican II simply added the final insult to the nearly lethal injury that had already been inflicted on the Church.

can then save despite it or by it?

Example:protestant dies never knowing anything about Catholic faith, other than lies or misconceptions...lives a exampelary life of service and high moral living..is place of rest is_____?

That is a great response Caminus.