Being quite new to this forum I am quite surprised at the amount of people who believe the Dimond brothers are liars ....this is a a serious allegation to make and I await concrete examples that show them to be liars.......if someone doesn't agree with them on a particular topic I don't think that's reason enough to say avoid them like the plague....I would be interested to read how they are decievers and not of good will.

They are hated

1) Because they are the most proliferous writers on the subject of EENS as it is written, and since "by the end of the decade following
the Second World War—most North American Catholics had ceased to believe
that their good Protestant and Jєωιѕн neighbors were going to eternal ruin at
death, invincibly ignorant or not", 99% of American Catholics find the traditional teaching of EENS abhorrent. They say "This is a hard saying; who can hear it? They can't stand hearing it. They therefore can't stand the Dimond's writings.

John 6:60-68- “Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?... From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.”

2) They are steadfast sedevacantes. They will attack anyone who disagrees, just like all sedevacantes do. If sedevacantes didn't believe in what they teach, they would not be so adamant. The shepherd is struck (Pope), the sheep are scattered. Maybe the sedes are right, on the other hand maybe they are wrong.

Combine 1 and 2 and you have a unique situation. There are very few people who are sedevacantes and also adherents EENS as it is written. That is why they are so hated.

Notwithstanding all other issues, the Dimond brothers are entertaining.

I have known some intelligent men who were taken in by the Dimonds and really
swallowed their diatribe.

It seems to appeal to those who have a pride streak which is given a place of
comfort in what the Dimonds say. They are crabby and rude, and attack their
opponents with a fury. So people who like to see argumentative confrontation like
to watch the Dimonds interact with their opponents.

If our Pope would act as the head of the Church (many things follow from that
premise) then we would have a functioning Church and there would be no place
for the accusations of the Dimonds. Sadly, our current situation provides the
opportunity for such cultish and narrow fringe groups to spring up and garner
a following.

As for them being "liars," I can't help you there without going to their website
and sifting through their material, again. I recall seeing things that I knew were
not right but that was years ago and I haven't given it any more thought.

Nadieimportante gave a pretty good statement, but it does not really address
your question, why are they "liars," and how are they "deceivers and not of
good will?"

I don't know about them being liars, but there are certainly some contradictions about them.

They dispute the validity of the Roman sacraments esp Holy orders but themselves take communion at an Orthodox church? (is that correct?)

They posture themselves as monks, which they are not, at all, they have no authority over them. No bishops, nothing. I understand they are sedes so they wouldn't fit into the hierarchy of the Roman Church or even the SSPX for that matter, but what of the CMRI?? No bishops, no authority.

This posturing/presenting themselves as monks goes pretty far: they've taken large sums of money from wouldbe monastics who enter and take a vow of poverty and sign over their life, apparently to find out *then* that the Dimond brothers aren't even properly monks. Then the Dimond brothers unabashedly fought in court to retain the assets when the brother in question sought to leave.

Some of these might be misconceptions on my part and I would be happy to read any counterpoint to these accusations, as it doesn't reflect well on them.

They say and do their own thing with no hierachy and no authority, hanging out a shingle as religious, just like the protestants (who are heretics in their own right)

I'm more interested in their teachings, as for the court case they won, have you read their side of the story?

Our Lord instructed us in two things which apply to the the unfortunate Pete and Mike Dimond:

1. By their fruits you should know them....
2. The greatest of all the laws is Charity, of God first, then also Neighbor.

I'll leave you to do the math. May God be with you.

all I know is by their fruits I woke up to the nuovus order fraud,and now attend a traditional latin mass,  I believe there is no salvation outside the church, I believe they do show charity by telling it like it is, as in I was going to hell since I did such and such....some people don't want to hear that kind of message..I did..I will look into the other threads that have mentioned the dimonds and the info from this thread and will get back with my findings
thank you

Quote from: s2srea

Our Lord instructed us in two things which apply to the the unfortunate Pete and Mike Dimond:

1. By their fruits you should know them....
2. The greatest of all the laws is Charity, of God first, then also Neighbor.

I'll leave you to do the math. May God be with you.

all I know is by their fruits I woke up to the nuovus order fraud,and now attend a traditional latin mass,  I believe there is no salvation outside the church, I believe they do show charity by telling it like it is, as in I was going to hell since I did such and such....some people don't want to hear that kind of message..I did..I will look into the other threads that have mentioned the dimonds and the info from this thread and will get back with my findings
thank you

they are charitable???? love how they attack others for "cooperating with the NewChurch", then sneak off to a Eastern Catholic Church in union with Pope Benedict XVI and get  sacrements.....and do not dress like monks to hide...or how they attack the RCC as the Beast and Whore of Babylon (Prot lingo and Prop) on the internet, feeding the Fundies and adverstising on Alex Jones, who allows attacks on the Church.... charity, yeah like they go hammer/tongs on anyone that does not share their narrow views or kiss up to them......or take a severe 'we are the last Catholics alive" stance....or gotta love their "charity" were they judge everyones motives and castigate everyone-SSPX, SV, etc alike.....no one is more Catholic then them or at all.....gessh, open your eyes already.....Dimonds are snake oil frauds peddling just enough truth to hook the simple minded and gullible to buying their crappola......

Nadie, you go to a SSPX Chapel and like the Dimonds? Doubt the  Dimonds share your Romney lovefest and the "screw the poor, its all their fault anyway" sinful stance......telling it like it is enough for you??? Perhaps anti-Nadie prowlers on the web might get you not on your info and stances on SSPX, but on your antiCatholic stances on the poor and downtrodden....Cant imagine the Dimonds being enthusasitic about MORMON Romney, your pick for President....talk about double minded....you support EENS, fine and good, then want a MORMON cultic to rule over you?  Neither Obummer not Romney acceptable...

1. They call themselves "Brothers," but neither of them has ever made a standard novitiate, which the Code says is strictly necessary for professed religious. They call themselves "Brothers" because this lends prestige to their opinions.

2. The two Brothers do not pretend to live a monastic life. Their vocation, as they see it, demands that they busy themselves in controversy. They think that the Church is better served by their spending their time producing various kinds of works of theological criticism, than in prayer and contemplation, which is the traditional obligation of monks.

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Not impressed, he make an assertion that the Dimonds are evil men without any evidence..says they make a lot of money, no evidence..says they have kept Catholics away from attending mass of non sedes..not true...you have to do better than that