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Offline Malleus

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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2015, 01:49:11 PM »
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    Hah, well okay then! The Final Antichrist has been dead of natural causes for 10 years and Christ hasn't come back. Does that sound right to you?


    Of course not! These guys are crazy.

    I suppose it's beyond them to say "Hey, we were wrong about this, so we're sorry and we take it back okay?"

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    « Reply #16 on: February 06, 2015, 05:00:48 PM »
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  • I got news for croixalist--- any paperwork claiming that Fr Feeney was either called to Rome or ex-communicated for not complying is a fraud.  :thinking:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #17 on: February 07, 2015, 05:51:29 AM »
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    I look forward to seeing you on the threads...

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    I'm going to continue to follow my own advice


    Look Mate, I'm no apologetic for the Dimonds, but accusations demand proof.  

    Of course, follow your own advice, it matters not to me.  I'm not here to convince you of following the Dimonds....



    The difference here is that my proof isn't good enough for you. That's fine, I'm not an authority. The only thing that will truly settle this for good, is for a Holy Pope to start making pronouncements against this sort of thing. We're in the wild west right now and everyone has a revolver and we all shoot from the hip. Our ammo is as soft as clay (or a virtual down-thumb) so no one falls down.

    The real danger is thinking we're safe and secure against the myriads of deceptions that can arise in our traditional movement. There aren't many people who can handle snakes without being bitten. The same goes for trad Catholics and self-styled breakaway leaders. I'm not saying you can't discern truth from fiction, but you ought to be humble and wary going into it or you're likely to get tripped up somewhere.

    With the Dimonds, we've already seen the fruit of failed prophecy. They are known only for their what they fight against, not for their charity, not for their spiritual life, not for what they pray for.  For what they are, the lack of formal training, the lack of bonifides, and the lack of ecclesiastical office, they do far more damage than they could ever fix themselves. Anyone who does credit them with "conversion" is going to have quite a task removing all the parasites from their thought process.

    Someone with more training could delve deeper through those murky waters. If you think you got what it takes, great, but it seems like you have fallen into their cult following. Ladislaus sounds like he's got stable footing here, though I am much less apt to give them any slack because I know my limitations.

    So my bullet is a warning shot. If it stings, you might consider moving your position. Hopefully, it went over your head.

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    Of course not! These guys are crazy.


    Someone I can agree with!  :cheers:

    And roscoe, is there something I missed in Acta Apostolicae Sedis?

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    "Since Father Leonard Feeney remained in Boston (St. Benedict Center) and since he has been suspended from performing his priestly duties for a long time because of his grave disobedience to the Authority of the Church, in no way moved by repeated warnings and threats of incurring excommunication ipso facto, and has still failed to submit, the most Eminent and Reverend Fathers, charged with the responsibility of safeguarding faith and morals, during a plenary session held on February 4, 1953, have declared him excommunicated with all the effects that this has in law.
    "On Thursday, February 12, 1953, Our Most Holy Father Pius XII, Pope by Divine Providence, has approved and confirmed the decree of these Most Eminent Fathers, and ordered that this be made a matter of public record.
    "Given in Rome in the general quarters of the Holy Office, February 13, 1953. Marius Crovini, notary."


    Or do you believe Feeney had the authority to place conditions on his appearance in Rome? You think Crovini made it up on his own?
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    « Reply #18 on: February 07, 2015, 07:34:43 AM »
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    I suppose it's beyond them to say "Hey, we were wrong about this, so we're sorry and we take it back okay?"


    The day this happens is the day I will take a fresh look at them.  Based on their history, I don't foresee this every happening.

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    « Reply #19 on: February 07, 2015, 08:51:30 AM »
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    Are they "real" brothers?


    From what I understand, they took their vows before a validly ordained Priest.


    Hardly!

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    History

    Schism House was founded in 1967, in Berlin, New Jersey, by a self-proclaimed Benedictine monk named Joseph Natale (1933-1995), originally as a community for handicapped men. Natale entered the Benedictine Archabbey in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, in 1960 as a lay postulant, but left less than a year later to start his own Holy Family Monastery. According to an archivist of the Saint Vincent Archabbey in Latrobe, Natale left before taking vows; he never actually became a Benedictine monk.[4]

    Throughout the late 1960s and early 1970s, Natale denounced the Second Vatican Council and the New Mass, and by the mid-1970s the community had separated from the Vatican. By mid-1980s, there were ten monks in it, but by 1994 the number declined to three. Shortly after a conference in 1994, John Vennari left to work for Fr. Nicholas Gruner.

    Natale died in 1995, whereupon Michael Dimond (born Frederick Dimond[5]), who joined in 1992 at the age of 19 after converting to Catholism four years earlier,[6] was elected the Superior. Soon after, he relocated to Granger, New York (close to Fillmore, New York), where Natale owned more than 90 acres (36 ha) of donated land.[7]

    Dimond supported Gerry Matatics when he held similar beliefs.[8]

    Michael and Peter Dimond's position condemning the Vatican's promotion of Natural Family Planning (a Fertility awareness method for married couples to regulate conception, pregnancy, and birth) was noted in the 2010 book Twentieth-Century Global Christianity by Fortress Press, as "an admittedly rare example of contemporary opposition".[9]

    Schism House airs advertisements on shortwave radio broadcasts of The Alex Jones Show.

    Beginning in late 2012, an audio recording of Peter Dimond responding to an individual struggling with sex addiction set to the image of a macaque became a fad on the site YTMND under the name "impurity". A number of similar "impurity" sites have since been created, incorporating clips from the original recording along with recordings of Alex Jones and other content relating to traditionalist Catholicism, sexual promiscuity, and the 9/11 truth movement.

    Sacraments

    As none of their members were ordained into the priesthood, and as they believe that the New Mass is invalid and that the Tridentine Mass (promoted by Benedict XVI) is compromised by the 1962 Missal changes made by John XXIII, they receive the sacraments from a Byzantine rite Catholic Church that is in communion with the Vatican, in Rochester, New York. During these occasions they wear layman's clothes in lieu of their Benedictine habits. Peter Dimond wrote: "In receiving the sacraments from certain Byzantine priests for over the last decade – i.e. from priests who are not notorious or imposing about their heresies – I've received what I consider to be tremendous spiritual graces."[10][11]



    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Holy_Family_Monastery

    I find that there are some very interesting facts on the Wikipedia. Most Of these details raise a serious eye of suspicion. For instance, four years after converting from atheist parents to traditional Catholicism at the mere age of 19 Michael Dimond was elected superior of the "Benedictine" monastery. They also seem to support the pro-Zionist Jew lover Alex Jones. I mean, maybe some of the details are only coincidence, but they lead me to believe that these highly divisive individuals are actually plants to disrupt the Traditionalist movement. But then when you watch some of their videos, for instance a recent one proving the Papacy, this is hard to believe. As someone else said, they are certainly a mixed bag.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #20 on: February 07, 2015, 08:54:29 AM »
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  • Schism House!

    Hats off to the moderator on that one! :applause:
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #21 on: February 07, 2015, 09:38:15 AM »
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    Schism House!

    Hats off to the moderator on that one! :applause:


    :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2:

    Sneaky!
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    « Reply #22 on: February 07, 2015, 05:22:00 PM »
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    I got news for croixalist--- any paperwork claiming that Fr Feeney was either called to Rome or ex-communicated for not complying is a fraud.  :thinking:


     :fryingpan:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #23 on: February 08, 2015, 07:05:36 AM »
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  • I don't count frying-pan gif as a valid source of information.

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    « Reply #24 on: February 08, 2015, 07:10:54 AM »
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    I don't count frying-pan gif as a valid source of information.



    It's about as good as anything which comes from the Cushingites.

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    « Reply #25 on: February 08, 2015, 12:56:57 PM »
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  • Well if I could justify his argument without saving it, I'd take Feeney seriously. Cushing was right for the wrong reasons in regards to disciplining Feeney, who was wrong for the right reasons... though Cushing was wrong for the wrong reasons on his own personal take, which became mainstream during VII anyway. Nostra Aetate will get it's turn to be shot down too (along with the rest of VII) once the ship rights itself.

    I don't think you automatically have to be in Cushing's corner in order to object to Feeneyism, if that was what you were implying. Feeney had the right instinct to fight against what would later emerge as a rejection of EENS, he just painted himself into a corner during the attempt and refused to start over. It's that sort of pride that the Dimonds have fallen prey to.
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    « Reply #26 on: February 08, 2015, 01:14:32 PM »
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  • There is no such thing as 'Feeneyism'....  :pop:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #27 on: February 12, 2015, 09:14:23 AM »
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  • Whatever they're calling the rejection of Baptism of Desire/Blood and the separation of justification and salvation nowadays. You wanna lend your name?
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    « Reply #28 on: February 12, 2015, 09:30:20 AM »
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    I find that there are some very interesting facts on the Wikipedia. Most Of these details raise a serious eye of suspicion. For instance, four years after converting from atheist parents to traditional Catholicism at the mere age of 19 Michael Dimond was elected superior of the "Benedictine" monastery. They also seem to support the pro-Zionist Jew lover Alex Jones. I mean, maybe some of the details are only coincidence, but they lead me to believe that these highly divisive individuals are actually plants to disrupt the Traditionalist movement. But then when you watch some of their videos, for instance a recent one proving the Papacy, this is hard to believe. As someone else said, they are certainly a mixed bag.


    They don't support Alex Jones. Please stop talking out of your backside with retarded conspiracy theories. They actually did an entire video on how Alex Jones is dangerous and untrustworthy.

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    « Reply #29 on: February 18, 2015, 03:35:07 PM »
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  • I found the Dimond brothers off an ad on the Alex Jones channel.  I like them as a source of information and even made them my start up page.   I wrote to them and they responded to my questions and they were helpful.  That being said I don't agree with everything they say and attend an SSPX chapel.  I also subscribe to the Remnant and other traditional Catholics on the internet.      The above poster is right, they did do a video on Alex Jones.
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