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« on: January 07, 2017, 03:03:38 PM »
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  • First let me tell you of a discussion on RTE, Irelands national radio and TV. It was an interview on the 'Late, Late Show,' 'the most popular and prestigious television show and is the longest running chat show in the world.' The four began to discuss 'the concept of post-truth  in the modern world, ' Christmas soon became the subject matter. It seems it is now a time for presents, with little or no Christ birthday to it any more since man 'found the truth.' 'Do you know anyone who went to Mass' asked the presenter. 'No' was the answer.' 'Neither do I' said Turbity.

    One said: "a lot of people are turning to mindfulness, meditation and exercise. I don't know a lot of young people who are into the church we'll say. I mean, anyone who I know that goes to midnight mass, they're not going for the haunted bread. They're going there because their grandmother made them go, their whole family is there. Everyone who goes to midnight mass is half-cut [drunk] anyway.
         Regarding the concept of holy communion, Blindboy said "The language doesn't want us to use critical thinking about it, but they're asking us to eat the ghost of a 2,000-year-old carpenter, you know? And then at the same time, he's not actually a ghost but he's actually real. It's a ghost and it's human flesh at the same time."

     https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/blindboy-late-late-anyone-know-goes-midnight-mass-not-haunted-bread/572870

    The four went on to best each other with blasphemies on the 'Real Presence.' they ended up saying it was an invitation to cannibalism etc., all having a good laugh.

    By chance, the next programme was a history of the demise of the Catholic faith in Ireland. After Ireland got its independence in 1922, the Catholic hierarchy were given a status in line with parlament itself. Power corrupted.  Thus began a 'hard Catholicism.' Priests, brothers and nuns provided the education. The stick or belt on the back of the head was considered normal.' The enphasis on sin was 90% sɛҳuąƖ sins. 'Love your neighbour' was lost in all those sins. Thus when young girls 'found themselves pregnant,' both laity and clergy considered them 'the devil's whores.' Some, God knows how many, were victims of incest and rape, but this made no difference. The 'fathers' of these children were immune of course, as they still are today in most cases. The girls were sent to places of work, treated like dirty slaves by most of the nuns in charge. The children, the 'bastards,' the innocent, were considered less than human, dirty children, so were taken off their mothers and put in homes, some for many years, some fostered.
         In recent years, that is, post Vatican II times when the faith itself was practically abandoned, no cathechism taught, it was found some children in the care of priests and nuns had died and were buried in pits. Hundreds of others were sɛҳuąƖly abused by priests and brothers for years and years, all covered up by bishops. Some of these abused children gave evidence as grown men, talking of those they knew who committed ѕυιcιdє and all living the 'nightmare' every day of their lives.
    The shock of those times, abuses perpetrated by priests, nuns and brothers who were at the same time condemning sɛҳuąƖ sins from the pulpit, was hypocracy few could separate the Catholic faith itself.

    The result of these scandals turned the nation against Catholicism, as though Catholic faith itself was to blame. Probably 80% abandoned practicing Catholicism over the years. The position and respect for the Catholic Church in Ireland dropped to little or none. Indeed Ireland became anti-Catholic in so many ways.


     


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    « Reply #1 on: January 09, 2017, 08:15:05 AM »
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  • Only yesterday I was listening to an interview with the late Father Benedict Groeschel. An interview given in 2003 and only recently discovered. He was interviewed in Dublin in 2003. I have never made a study of Father Benedict Groeschel but he makes the point when he was in Ireland in the 1980s the National broadcaster RTE gave him the 'cold shoulder'. He didn't get the usual Irish warm welcome as he visited their studios.

    He thought it initially to be anti clericalism but realised it was deep anti Catholicism. Father Benedict Groeschel makes the point also he was guest of a Charismatic conference. He expressed surprise at being asked as it appears he was not a charismatic.

    He makes the point they didn't permit him to give his final talk/presentation as the 'Irish don't like to hear bad news.' He states in his 2003 interview that Ireland had already gone over the Niagara Falls.

    In the late 1970s a tv character in an Irish soap opera shown on RTE went on 'the pill'. The National broadcaster in Ireland is anti Catholic. Some give them the 'benefit of the doubt' and say they are biased but they are a corrupt and a controlled media.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 09, 2017, 08:25:17 AM »
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    The girls were sent to places of work, treated like dirty slaves by most of the nuns in charge


    This slur is unfair. Women and girls resided with religious sisters for a variety of reasons. Some were sent by family, many went voluntary, others sent by courts as girls had committed crimes. The religious sisters worked in laundries also.

    A woman named Bridget died three years ago and she stayed with religious sisters after the laundry closed. It was her home and they were her friends. She had a lovely funeral. I wouldn't call them slaves. Some people I have met argue the woman should of got a stipend. I read an article that women were able to collect their old age pension whilst residing with religious sisters.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 09, 2017, 08:32:49 AM »
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    The following examples and quotations relate to the majority of women who
    shared their stories with the Committee and who indicated that they had never
    experienced or seen physical punishment in a Magdalen Laundry:
    - One woman summarised her treatment in a Magdalen Laundry by
    saying “I might have been given out to, but I was never beaten”.1

    - Another woman said about the same Magdalen Laundry “I was never
    beaten and I never seen anyone beaten”.2

    - Another woman said “It has shocked me to read in papers that we were
    beat and our heads shaved and that we were badly treated by the
    nuns. As long as I was there, I was not touched myself by any nun and
    I never saw anyone touched and there was never a finger put on them.
    ... Now everything was not rosy in there because we were kept against
    our will ... we worked very hard there ... But in saying that we were
    treated good and well looked after”.3

    - Another woman, in response to a question about whether she had
    suffered corporal punishment at the Magdalen Laundry, said “no, mind
    you, thank god” and that neither had she seen others hit.4

    - A different woman who spent time in the same Magdalen Laundry said
    “I don’t ever remember anyone being beaten but we did have to work
    very hard”. She described the manner in which women would protest –
    “If we were down and out, we’d go on the wren”. She described this as
    sitting on the stairs and refusing to work.5

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    « Reply #4 on: January 09, 2017, 08:35:57 AM »
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  • From the report on Magdalen homes.

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    A different woman who was in a Magdalen Laundry in the 1940s and
    1950s said “I never saw any of the women and girls living with me
    being ill treated or severely punished in any way, no beatings, no head
    shaving, no denial of food, my only complain was that of being kept
    there for no reason. ... Many many more would say the same”.17


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    80. Dr Michael Coughlan was the general medical practitioner to the Galway
    Magdalen Laundry, first as a locuм for three months in 1979 and then
    continuously from 1981 until its closure in 1984. He continued to attend the
    women who remained under the care of the Order until 1997.128 He noted

    that it was his:
    “privilege in providing a GP service [which] spanned a 16 year period,
    from 1981 to 1997. I cannot comment on conditions before those
    dates, only to say that I did not come across any complaints, symptoms
    or clinical signs which might alert one to maltreatment in the past”.
    81. Dr Couglan informed the Committee that he conducted a monthly clinic in the
    Magdalen Laundry.

     He said as follows:
    “My first attendance as a GP at the Magdalen Residential Home was, I
    believe around 1979, when the regular GP, [named] (now deceased
    RIP), became ill and asked me to look after her patients over a period
    of about 3 months. My first impression was one of pleasant relief. I had
    expected to find a very unhappy, deprived group who would have
    significant medical and especially psychological complaints and special
    needs. I was, therefore, surprised to encounter a group of ladies who
    appeared to be quite happy and content with their current environment
    and who presented with the type of symptoms and problems that
    reflected those of the wider Practice population.

    I was also pleasantly surprised to find that my visit to the Home
    consisted of a formal Clinic in a well-furnished Consulting Room and
    that I was assisted by a Nurse. All the Residents were allowed to ‘’see
    the doctor’’ and the majority of them did. The Laundry was still in
    operation at that time but those who were working their shift were
    allowed time out to see me. My expected image of them all looking the
    same in drab uniform was quickly dissipated when I observed that each
    one presented dressed in colourful clothes and those who came


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    directly from the Laundry were wearing a type of overlapping protective
    overall or apron, under which I could notice that they were wearing a
    variety of more personal choice of clothes. The most striking
    realisation, however, was that each lady presented as a unique
    individual, with a unique personality, well able to ask relevant questions
    and to express her opinion and, above all, ready and willing to gossip,
    to tease and be teased and to joke.

    Although I seldom needed to visit a patient who was confined to bed, I
    was further pleasantly surprised to discover that each Resident had her
    own room, nicely furnished and I particularly remember the colourful
    bedclothes. I believe that they used to sleep in dormitories up to 1978,
    when a renovation programme commenced and they had their own
    rooms thereafter. I cannot recall whether I entered clinical notes in the
    regular patient files, during those 3 months or whether I made my own
    notes. In the 4 files which I found, my notes begin in 1981 in each
    case”.

    82. Apart from these recollections of his initial impressions of the Magdalen
    Laundry, Dr Coughlan also informed the Committee of his ongoing
    engagement with the Laundry as follows:
    “[Named Doctor] retired and I was invited to serve as GP to the
    Magdalen ladies around 1981. ...When I assumed this post I decided
    that, because of their unfortunate life histories these ladies deserved
    special attention and I dedicated my (free) time to them by holding a
    special two hour Clinic for them on a Saturday, once a month. This was
    much appreciated by both the ladies and the Mercy Sisters and was
    always treated as a bit of an occasion by all concerned.

    On my way to the consulting room I had to pass through a dining room
    where I was welcomed by the ladies, seated around tables in groups of
    four, happily chatting as they finished breakfast. I was also greeted by
    [name] a local lady who was employed as Cook and she appeared to


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    have a unique relationship with the ladies. After I sat down at my desk
    [name] a jovial Resident would proudly arrive with a linen-covered tray
    laden with tea and buns. I was always accompanied by a qualified
    Nurse, or if she could not attend, by one of the Nuns who assisted me
    in her absence”.

    83. Regarding the general pattern of consultations and medical complaints, Dr
    Coughlan said as follows:
    “On almost every occasion all the Residents came to see me and I
    believed that in the case of many of them the reason for coming was
    more social than medical. They used to share their recent news with
    me, such as somebody’s birthday, an entertainment event that they
    had attended either in-house or out-town, a trip to Knock and even to
    Lourdes or to draw to my attention that they had been to the
    hairdresser: ‘’Do you like my hair Doctor?’’. Almost all of them were
    curious about my own life and would want to know about my family, on
    an ongoing basis.

    Assisted by the Nurse I was in the habit of listening to and to
    performing a physical examination on each Resident and attention was
    regularly paid to Blood Pressure and urine testing, along with blood
    tests, such as Cholesterol estimation, from time to time.

    Whenever I sensed that one of the ladies had something personal or
    sensitive to discuss, I always asked the Nurse or Nun to leave and
    afforded them the opportunity to elaborate in confidence. Interestingly, I
    cannot recall any occasion that the patient complained in any manner
    about her treatment by the Nuns in the Home, neither recently nor in
    the distant past, but I do recall them discussing problems such as
    incontinence, prolapse and other sensitive issues. Significantly, I do
    remember that on several occasions during such more intimate
    consultations I would be told, in a whispered, but happy voice, bits of
    news such as “I had a visitor during the week. It was my son and it



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    86. He summarised his experience as follows:
    “Overall, my experience with the Magdalen was a happy and gratifying
    one. The Residents were a delightful and happy group of ladies, each
    with their own unique personality and they appeared to me to have a
    good and friendly relationship with the Mercy Sisters. Equally, my
    impression was that the Sisters were very caring towards the
    Residents and I never found any evidence to the contrary”

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  • An article from 2013 but essential we adhere to truth. It is regrettable these homes had to exist. Those using the Magdalen homes to bash the church are those pushing abortion and the other social evils. The Irish Free State failed women and children and is anti family and anti Catholic.


    http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/58372/sisters-of-mercy-offer-invitation-to-galway-magdalene-laundry-women
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    Women who spent time in the Galway Magdalene Laundry have been invited to meet with The Congregation of the Sisters of Mercy, who ran the institution.

    The sisters invitation comes following the McAleese Report into the extent of State involvement with the controversial laundries. In a statement issued yesterday, the order said it was “regrettable that the Magdalene Homes had to exist at all”.

    The Sisters of Mercy, who ran the Dun Laoghaire and Galway laundries welcomed the report, saying they hoped it would lead to “greater understanding and healing”.

    The sisters said the Galway laundry was “already in operation before coming under our care” and that “many of the women who resided in the Galway home remained voluntarily in our care for the remainder of their lives”.

    Although the Aleese Report suggests that the records for Galway are incomplete, with many years missing and unrecorded, the sisters said their own records suggest that women “came to the home in many different ways”, staying for “varying periods of time”, including some women who “came and went on several occasions”.

    The sisters said they “fully acknowledge and are saddened by the limitations of the care which could be provided in these homes. Their institutional setting was far removed from the response considered appropriate to such needs today”.

    The sisters went on to say that they “wish we could have done more and that it could have been different” but that “while times and conditions were harsh and difficult...very supportive, lifelong friendships emerged and were sustained for several decades”.

    The statement from the order concluded by saying: “We would like to extend an invitation to anyone who may have spent some time in either Dun Laoghaire or Galway to come and meet with us, if they so wish.”


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    « Reply #8 on: January 09, 2017, 10:06:14 AM »
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  • The alternative for these women in poverty stricken Ireland of the time would have been a life of sin and prostitution and finally damnation. Only God knows how many thousands of women saved their immortal souls because of the laundries.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 09, 2017, 11:59:36 AM »
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  • RTÉ has been anti-Catholic, or at least hostile to any sort of orthodox Catholicism, for a long, long time, despite the original good intentions behind the Radharchunit, whom Abp McQuaid CSSp had sent to the US to be trained in TV production. Conciliar Catholicism is stronger than other places, but its poisonous fruits means that the average 50s Massgoer would be as a theologian compared to his modern Conciliar counterpart.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 11, 2017, 10:55:56 AM »
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  • The Morning Star Hostel (Legion of Mary) has been  up and running since 1927. Their Facebook page has 340 'likes'.  

    The 'Home Sweet Home Eire' Facebook page has 61,176 'likes'. This group, a front for pro abortionists and the usual suspects was established in December 2016.

    The Legion of Mary and Morning Star Hostel does great work but need to improve.

    A group established just last month has 61,176 'likes'. A Facebook 'like' is lazy activism and doesn't reflect reality but the alternative Catholic media is poor in Ireland.

    All our activity here in Ireland has to be towards the winning of power. This 'Home Sweet Home Eire' group will probably make electoral gain. The 'pro-life' candidate in contrast will get a handful of votes. The lack of support for Morning Star Hostel is a wake up call for Ireland. 340 'likes' for a hostel open for 90 years.

    A Facebook 'like' won't get us to heaven, the faith will but these groups never seem to learn from past mistakes.

    Getting a councillor at local level is a good start to winning electoral power. A little power. The Legion of Mary need to be out in the places where our people meet and gather. 21st January is Independence day in Ireland. Various groups will be in Dublin for the day. Hopefully the Legion attend.


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  • Quote from: John Grace
    The Morning Star Hostel (Legion of Mary) has been  up and running since 1927. Their Facebook page has 340 'likes'.  

    The 'Home Sweet Home Eire' Facebook page has 61,176 'likes'. This group, a front for pro abortionists and the usual suspects was established in December 2016.

    The Legion of Mary and Morning Star Hostel does great work but need to improve.

    A group established just last month has 61,176 'likes'. A Facebook 'like' is lazy activism and doesn't reflect reality but the alternative Catholic media is poor in Ireland.

    All our activity here in Ireland has to be towards the winning of power. This 'Home Sweet Home Eire' group will probably make electoral gain. The 'pro-life' candidate in contrast will get a handful of votes. The lack of support for Morning Star Hostel is a wake up call for Ireland. 340 'likes' for a hostel open for 90 years.

    A Facebook 'like' won't get us to heaven, the faith will but these groups never seem to learn from past mistakes.

    Getting a councillor at local level is a good start to winning electoral power. A little power. The Legion of Mary need to be out in the places where our people meet and gather. 21st January is Independence day in Ireland. Various groups will be in Dublin for the day. Hopefully the Legion attend.


    Recall the big 'March for Life' the year before last. While it did not compare with the pro-death one in respect of social media, easily ten times as many turned up. The Legion of Mary has long encouraged members to support Catholic causes, but directly the Legion does not take part in ostensibly political marches or actions. Through the Rosary, in particular public Rosaries, it would seek to effect a change which would drive away evils like abortion.

    Turning to 'Home Sweet Home Eire,' youth politicians, particularly leftwing ones, are loud, vainglorious and brash, yet their loudest supporters tend not to vote, preferring to nurse a hangover, or least do some study. Hopefully, that happens.