Author Topic: The Deluded Mind of the Typical Fr. Z Poster (Read 943 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** January 05, 2013, 02:56:20 PM »

I couldn't have made-up a more knee-jerk, shallow, condescending, near-sighted, Pharisaical, and erroneous response if I tried. This, my friends is Neo-Catholicism at it's finest. Head firmly planted in the sand while parroting derogatory buzz words ad nauseum with little to no thought involved. Their world is a world of delusion. Artificial reality. There is no way to engage in a meaningful conversation with them because they are detached from the real world. In the words of Jack Orlando.. " I say this with sorrow."

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/01/sspx-bp-fellay-delivers-a-long-state-of-the-question-address/

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Jack Orlando says:
1 January 2013 at 4:52 pm
First reactions after hearing the tape:

* Now the Society clearly has said “no” to Pope Benedict XVI, and said it definitely, unequivocally, and finally. “They treat us as excommunicated”. No they haven’t. Soon they will; and they will so de jure.

* The possibility of reconciliation of the Society with Rome and the regularization of the Society no longer exists. This speech shows that Fellay and the Society know this and are planning to proceed accordingly. Müller’s appointment shows that The Church knows this too. The Society, as are the Old Catholics and Anglicans, is outside The Church, a different church. I say this with sorrow.

* Fellay’s argument is “I get confusing signals. The Curia doesn’t do what the Pope wants.” I don’t believe him. The Church has repeatedly said clearly this: “You cannot deny the Council. If a statement in the Council needs clarification, or has not yet been clarified in subsequent teaching, it can subsequently clarified. But if your position is to reject adamantly the Council, and to reject intransigently the possibility of clarification, then you reject the Magisterium of the Church itself, and then it’s over and we go separate ways.”

* He who is not with Rome is not Catholic. By rejecting Rome, the Society places itself out of the Catholic Church and is now in schism. It is now just a matter of time before The Church declares this schism and imposes excommunications.

* I question the Free Masonry charge, the charge of German threats, and the charge of Communists in the Church. Soon Fellay will go to Wheeling West Virginia, make a speech to the Republican Women’s Club, take a piece of paper out of his cassock, and say that he has in his hand a list of 205 Communists/Jєωs/Masons/Protestants in the Curia. (I know that some of you are too young to understand this reference.)

* The attempt to compare the Society’s situation to the Eastern Church is fallacious.

* Equally fallacious is the attempt to blame the bad situation in The Church, whether in France or elsewhere, chiefly on the Council — thus a post hoc fallacy, thus ignoring the sɛҳuąƖ Revolution, ignoring the secularism of the past three centuries, and ignoring that in the last 20 years our culture is in fact becoming less secular.

* “You are Protestants” “You are Modernists”. The idea that Benedict XVI is a disciple of Loisy is absurd.

* “We must be accepted as we are!” = “We are our own Magisterium and Rome must accept this”.

* Fellay says that the correct term to describe of the new Mass is not invalid or illicit but “evil”. This cements the parting of ways. None of us in the Church can say the new Mass is categorically and unconditionally evil and then remain in the Church. (The new Mass isn’t what the Council wanted anyway.)

* I stopped listening at 1:17 when the Jєωs are called “enemies of the Church”. Williamson is no exception in the Society. There is now no chance of reconciliation. We now need to devote our time to what in fact can be done: the advancement of the Extraordinary Form.

I regret that I am blunt. St. Flannery, in explaining why she had the element of the grotesque in her work, said “When people are deaf, you have to shout.”

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2013, 03:04:24 PM »

With more posts like that, hopefully the SSPX will stop advocating that we read Fr. Z's blog.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2013, 03:53:16 PM »

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The idea that Benedict XVI is a disciple of Loisy is absurd.

It is very telling that the apologists for modernists always try to exculpate them in a very formal way.

They don't want to touch the real evidence, they stay away from that, they try to deny the modernism with technicalities.

The comparison to Joe McCarthy was comical too. It shows you what sort of people we're dealing with. We're dealing with Liberals, who deny basic facts about what has gone on in the world.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2013, 03:58:48 PM »

One more thing about the accusation that it is a fallacy to say Vatican II had to do with the sɛҳuąƖ revolution. Didn't the Vatican II Church give the impression to the faithful that contraception would be approved? Didn't they stand down in serious opposition to abortion? Didn't they liberalize all the orders and permit ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to dominate the seminaries?

Vatican II had MUCH to do with the culture of revolution in the 60s. Vatican II was the breaching of a dike. The cultural revolution of the 60s is the flood. When people see the floodwaters appear they don't necessarily understand the source.

Catholic priests giving the green light for contraception - and this person calls it a post hoc propter hoc fallacy.

Nonsense.

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2013, 06:58:34 PM »

Interesting that he states he stopped listening when Jєωs were called "enemies" of the Church. He revealed his hand with that comment. I suppose he would stop his ears at the many similar comments by saints down through the ages.

I say it again: these "conservative" neo-traditionalists are the worst enemies of the Church.

Editha · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2013, 11:23:53 PM »

"Fr. Z" has total control of which emails he posts on his "Catholic" website.