Myrna: thank you for that post! My mother is a cradle catholic, born in 1931. When my father(cath. convert) died my mom took on another man twice divorced protestant. They had a civil ceremony by a minister that was encourged to be done by New Order presbyter. And that was in front of my family members. My brother decided to make it a double ring affair with him marrying a catholic(new Order ) in 1987. I being stupid did not catch on to the sinfulness until 1996 when we were reborn to traditional. I am 60 and thank God, God helped us to SEE! I can not convince my mother and my siblings otherwise. I get the hang up on the phone. We are states apart and thank God for that, I think. It is so sad to hear the cries of those who are fed-up with the New Order, though, and stay there! Some how we are graced to have our eyes opened. And Thank God for that. And because of this, we are in the position to pray that much more and do penance for them besides ourselves who endure.