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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Jr1991 on October 19, 2021, 01:32:01 PM
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An amazing chain of events then began to unfold. The mass in the Cathedral was attended by the Cardinal, three Florida bishops, and a great many clergy and faithful. Fr. Vernoy was on the sidewalk following the Mass, and as everyone exited the church, Bishop Estevez of recognized Father from his several visits over the years. His Excellency offered Father his Episcopal ring to kiss, which Father promptly did, much to the delight of the bishop!
Father had planned to escort the freshly-crowned statue of Our Lady on foot to the shrine as she rode in a special charted bus, but we were invited by a friendly diocesan priest to ride in a bus reserved for the event. Upon arriving at the Nombre de Dios Mission, we thanked the priest who, reminding him that we were accustomed to arriving after walking and canoeing 120 miles on our annual pilgrimage.
Because we were then “on the inside,” Father and I fell in directly behind the Cardinal and Bishop as the procession made its way through the throng of pilgrims who had come to be part of the event
http://www.sspxflorida.com/en/news-events/news/saint-thomas-more-honors-our-lady-canonical-coronation-69321
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I seem to recall a post a few months back where Bp. Fellay casually admitted that the SSPX was fully regularized with Rome.
Does anyone have more background on that?
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I seem to recall a post a few months back where Bp. Fellay casually admitted that the SSPX was fully regularized with Rome.
Does anyone have more background on that?
It was in relation to this (scroll down to #101):
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/catalog-of-compromise-change-and-contradiction-in-the-sspx/90/
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I've noted here before --- and keep in mind that this is nothing more than the opinion of what is, at bottom, a highly educated hillbilly with a laptop --- that I have a pet theory, namely, that the "long game" may be to corral as many non-sedevacantist TLM adherents as possible, into an SSPX that becomes united or associated with the FSSP, ICKSP, and similar bodies, and then to propose a personal ordinariate, or even to create a new rite not unlike the Maronites, Melkites, and so on, essentially, a second Roman Rite. Those who resist, both SV and non-SV, could then be painted as either gravely disobedience or (more likely) schismatic. What would happen after that, one can only speculate. Maybe nothing. When you set a humane trap for an animal, it can either end well for the animal, or it can not end well. It depends on what the trapper has in mind.
I'm not sure how much of a "long game" even exists, though, because TC comes across as the desperate "last gasp" of a man who is afraid he is about to die, "guys, I may not make it, before I go, I'm going to throw the entire weight of the papacy against the Tridentine Latin Mass, insofar as I can, I'm going to get rid of it, and make the Novus Ordo the only game in town". It does seem to have been a "rush job" of sorts, in that it has no vacatio legis, it doesn't even mention the SSPX --- a curious omission --- nor Canon 87 of the 1983 CIC:
Can. 87 §1. A diocesan bishop, whenever he judges that it contributes to their spiritual good, is able to dispense the faithful from universal and particular disciplinary laws issued for his territory or his subjects by the supreme authority of the Church. He is not able to dispense, however, from procedural or penal laws nor from those whose dispensation is specially reserved to the Apostolic See or some other authority.
Neither did he specifically mention Quo primum. That is another curious omission. Maybe that was a Rubicon he didn't want to cross, or maybe the Holy Ghost wouldn't permit it. No way to say.
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Like I have been saying for a while now. The chapels here in Florida are primarily made up of 90% Novus Ordo parishioners displaced during the Plandemic. The actual traditionalist, i.e., Catholics who were going to the SSPX chapels, have mostly left. This is completely fine with the Florida SSPX because they have increased their numbers which means more money. As far as the Catholics that supported the Society for decades, they could care less about them. It's all about money and thus the hyper pandering to the local Novus Ordo Bishops. Venroy should go and submit himself to Estevez already.
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But most SSPXers will still deny any modernist changes are happening.
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Well, at this point, if they don’t see the changes, they are either delusional or completely brainwashed.
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I've noted here before --- and keep in mind that this is nothing more than the opinion of what is, at bottom, a highly educated hillbilly with a laptop --- that I have a pet theory, namely, that the "long game" may be to corral as many non-sedevacantist TLM adherents as possible, into an SSPX that becomes united or associated with the FSSP, ICKSP, and similar bodies, and then to propose a personal ordinariate, or even to create a new rite not unlike the Maronites, Melkites, and so on, essentially, a second Roman Rite. Those who resist, both SV and non-SV, could then be painted as either gravely disobedience or (more likely) schismatic. What would happen after that, one can only speculate. Maybe nothing. When you set a humane trap for an animal, it can either end well for the animal, or it can not end well. It depends on what the trapper has in mind.
I'm not sure how much of a "long game" even exists, though, because TC comes across as the desperate "last gasp" of a man who is afraid he is about to die, "guys, I may not make it, before I go, I'm going to throw the entire weight of the papacy against the Tridentine Latin Mass, insofar as I can, I'm going to get rid of it, and make the Novus Ordo the only game in town". It does seem to have been a "rush job" of sorts, in that it has no vacatio legis, it doesn't even mention the SSPX --- a curious omission --- nor Canon 87 of the 1983 CIC:
Can. 87 §1. A diocesan bishop, whenever he judges that it contributes to their spiritual good, is able to dispense the faithful from universal and particular disciplinary laws issued for his territory or his subjects by the supreme authority of the Church. He is not able to dispense, however, from procedural or penal laws nor from those whose dispensation is specially reserved to the Apostolic See or some other authority.
Neither did he specifically mention Quo primum. That is another curious omission. Maybe that was a Rubicon he didn't want to cross, or maybe the Holy Ghost wouldn't permit it. No way to say.
This is right in line with what I suspect as well. The Neo-SSPX leaders are working to get the SSPX under the thumb of Modernist Rome, and then proceed to regularize them into the Novus Ordo. It is precisely what Bp. Williamson, Fr. Jenkins, Fr. Cekada, and Bp. Sanborn have been warning us about the neo-SSPX for years. These talks with the Modernists in Rome is nothing more than a honeypot to get as many unsuspecting traditional Catholics under the control of the Novus Ordo. I recall one of the SV clergy stating that the heads of the neo-SSPX want nothing more than to have their niche, their little corner, in the pantheon of the Novus Ordo. The SSPX leaders are really no different than indulters at this point: they want their "High Catholic" rite, a superficial "communion" with heretics.
Look at what Francis pulled with Traditionis Custodes. I would fully expect him or a successor to do the same thing to a "regularized" SSPX.
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This is right in line with what I suspect as well. The Neo-SSPX leaders are working to get the SSPX under the thumb of Modernist Rome, and then proceed to regularize them into the Novus Ordo. It is precisely what Bp. Williamson, Fr. Jenkins, Fr. Cekada, and Bp. Sanborn have been warning us about the neo-SSPX for years. These talks with the Modernists in Rome is nothing more than a honeypot to get as many unsuspecting traditional Catholics under the control of the Novus Ordo. I recall one of the SV clergy stating that the heads of the neo-SSPX want nothing more than to have their niche, their little corner, in the pantheon of the Novus Ordo. The SSPX leaders are really no different than indulters at this point: they want their "High Catholic" rite, a superficial "communion" with heretics.
Look at what Francis pulled with Traditionis Custodes. I would fully expect him or a successor to do the same thing to a "regularized" SSPX.
Spot on---They desperately, and I mean desperately, want in. The Neo-SSPX is fascinated with the Novus Ordo. I don’t understand why I can only speculate that they wish for the same comfortable lives that the NO religion enjoys.
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Like I have been saying for a while now. The chapels here in Florida are primarily made up of 90% Novus Ordo parishioners displaced during the Plandemic. The actual traditionalist, i.e., Catholics who were going to the SSPX chapels, have mostly left. This is completely fine with the Florida SSPX because they have increased their numbers which means more money. As far as the Catholics that supported the Society for decades, they could care less about them. It's all about money and thus the hyper pandering to the local Novus Ordo Bishops. Venroy should go and submit himself to Estevez already.
Gratuitous, hyperbolic, unsubstantiated, etc...
Do you really expect anyone to believe 90% of SSPXers have left, or are now outnumbered by Novus Ordo Catholics 10:1???
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Gratuitous, hyperbolic, unsubstantiated, etc...
Do you really expect anyone to believe 90% of SSPXers have left, or are now outnumbered by Novus Ordo Catholics 10:1???
Oh no. Entirely factual. How do I know? Because I have been to three chapels in Florida pre COVID and post COVID, the increase and mix of parishioners is entirely different from even two years ago.
You do not have to take my word for it; you can ask some of the SSPX Florida members on this forum, and some will tell you the same.
I had an Usher tell me in one of the chapels they had one hundred attendees pre COVID; after COVID, it was up to 275. He told me(not that I did not know why) that Parishioners from the Novus Ordo who were locked out during COVID started attending the SSPX chapel. After the Diocesan chapels opened, they decided to stay.
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Gratuitous, hyperbolic, unsubstantiated, etc...
Do you really expect anyone to believe 90% of SSPXers have left, or are now outnumbered by Novus Ordo Catholics 10:1???
The 90% number is from one of the chapels down here—But I have friends who attend other chapels in the state(Including the priority in Sanford), and they have seen a similar influx.
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So, where are the former SSPX people?
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So, where are the former SSPX people?
That is a good question. One that I have asked myself. Keep in mind that one SSPX chapel was closed during the pandemic and is now being sold off. It was located in the largest County in Florida. Some of those mass goers went up to the chapel in Davie. I would say about 5-10%. I guess the other 90% either stopped going to mass, started going to the local indult mass, or an independent chapel run by a Thuc Bishop. The others located in other parts of the state, I don't know.
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Gratuitous, hyperbolic, unsubstantiated, etc...
Do you really expect anyone to believe 90% of SSPXers have left, or are now outnumbered by Novus Ordo Catholics 10:1???
The SSPX as you know very well SJ is not what it used to be. The original founders of all the SSPX chapels in the USA, the original few serious Catholics who kept the faith and braved long drives and hard work just to have the mass, have been slowly replaced by the Neo-SSPX since like 2000, and today 20 years later, one can say that 90% of the SSPXers are gone. They have been replaced by what I would call SSPX Indulterers, Indult Mass type people who go there because it is convenient, for their children, it is more reverent, smells and bells... If and when the SSPX becomes lepers again, I think that we will see who really was serious. So, when the gentleman says 90% of the SSPXers have left that is what I think he really means.
Now, add to that all of the Novus Ordos that abruptly came over during the plandemic, they represent about 66% of the parishioners in the largest SSPX mass center in Florida, the Sanford priory ( I can only assume it is the same in the other Florida chapels). Therefore, you have 10% real old time SSPX types, 23% neo-SSPX (really like indult types) and 66% Novus Ordo's ( indults and Novus Ordos). Many of these new types we hope will become serious Catholics, but from my life's experience, it will go the opposite direction, the rotten apple will spoil the barrel. Still God's Grace is there for everyone that is TRULY seeking the Faith. It will be like the 1960's, a few will survive this change for the worse.
The Sanford, FL priory is just like any Catholic Church in 1965, really strikingly identical, and everything "was going great" then too. We are just living 1965 all over again.
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Gratuitous, hyperbolic, unsubstantiated, etc...
Do you really expect anyone to believe 90% of SSPXers have left, or are now outnumbered by Novus Ordo Catholics 10:1???
About half of our sspx chapel is NO people now, and climbing.
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So, where are the former SSPX people?
Where I am, they are going to the fssp, indult, and eastern.
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So, where are the former SSPX people?
Where I am, they are going to the fssp, indult, and eastern.
The SSPX founders have almost all passed away. The SSPXers that left, they went with the Resistance, independent, or sede. Not a one went fssp, indult, and eastern, why would they, it is the same as the Neo-SSPX. The only reason I could think of is because the fssp, indult, and eastern are a closer drive.
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The SSPX as you know very well SJ is not what it used to be. The original founders of all the SSPX chapels in the USA, the original few serious Catholics who kept the faith and braved long drives and hard work just to have the mass, have been slowly replaced by the Neo-SSPX since like 2000, and today 20 years later, one can say that 90% of the SSPXers are gone. They have been replaced by what I would call SSPX Indulterers, Indult Mass type people who go there because it is convenient, for their children, it is more reverent, smells and bells... If and when the SSPX becomes lepers again, I think that we will see who really was serious. So, when the gentleman says 90% of the SSPXers have left that is what I think he really means.
Now, add to that all of the Novus Ordos that abruptly came over during the plandemic, they represent about 66% of the parishioners in the largest SSPX mass center in Florida, the Sanford priory ( I can only assume it is the same in the other Florida chapels). Therefore, you have 10% real old time SSPX types, 23% neo-SSPX (really like indult types) and 66% Novus Ordo's ( indults and Novus Ordos). Many of these new types we hope will become serious Catholics, but from my life's experience, it will go the opposite direction, the rotten apple will spoil the barrel. Still God's Grace is there for everyone that is TRULY seeking the Faith. It will be like the 1960's, a few will survive this change for the worse.
The Sanford, FL priory is just like any Catholic Church in 1965, really strikingly identical, and everything "was going great" then too. We are just living 1965 all over again.
Exactly. All you said is true. Most of the smaller chapels don’t even offer Adult Catechism. The SSPX in Florida is obsessed with new “projects,” and they never get completed. It is a disaster of epic proportions. Resources are wasted money thrown away on useless endeavors etc.
For example, they have a mass center in a shopping center at Miramar Beach, a sleepy little tourist town of 6,000 people—but they don’t have a chapel in the most populous county of Florida of close three million people. How does this make any sense?
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A chapel needs to be very careful when an influx of Catholics enter who aren't well-trained in the Crisis in the Church. Those who you suspect DON'T UNDERSTAND your mission.
And since chapels can't do anything, I'm really referring to the priests here.
Priests need to make sure those newbies get inducted, brought on board, brought up to speed about the Crisis in the Church, +ABL, Vatican II, and many other subjects. IT CAN BE DONE. I think Adult Catechism is the key. Also good sermons, but those are unfortunately only once a week, and they can only be so long before abusing the Liturgy and everyone's patience (especially young families).
One of the many reasons I believed that the SSPX was God-inspired and blessed. Virtually all chapels had Adult Catechism, which was spreading the truth and being well-informed, to bring everyone up to speed and make more serious, prepared Catholics. Remember what Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer did -- he inoculated his diocese against Vatican II and Modernism by teaching the people WELL about it, and the true Faith. So they recognized the error, and THAT ONE DIOCESE (Campos) didn't go along with Vatican II. Sure, it didn't end well, but that doesn't matter. You have to start well to end well. That's like saying "I shouldn't convert, because I could apostatize later." Don't worry about that.
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Answering to the opening post, I have heard that our Priest has a letter from our local Bishop allowing the SSPX to say Masses in our Diocese. We don't have a priory here, just weekly Sunday Mass.
I don't know if this is news for you, but I had never heard about it. I mean, asking for an authorization from the Bishop to say Mass on a SSPX, not on a Diocesan church. In this case, a rented house.
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It is not the first time that I have heard how dioceses Bishop is part of SSPX. How about those marriages os SSPX. Did they not have to go to New Order for permission? Anytime a dioceses Bishop shakes hands with another group, in this case, spells to me, you are all in the one club. Bishops shake hands with the Byzantine Rite as well.
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Oh no. Entirely factual. How do I know? Because I have been to three chapels in Florida pre COVID and post COVID, the increase and mix of parishioners is entirely different from even two years ago.
You do not have to take my word for it; you can ask some of the SSPX Florida members on this forum, and some will tell you the same.
I had an Usher tell me in one of the chapels they had one hundred attendees pre COVID; after COVID, it was up to 275. He told me(not that I did not know why) that Parishioners from the Novus Ordo who were locked out during COVID started attending the SSPX chapel. After the Diocesan chapels opened, they decided to stay.
Without getting into the fray of what happened in Florida and what were, or were not, the reasons for it, the last two sentences say a lot. The TLM is inherently attractive, and these 175 people obviously liked what they found there. Would you rather have them returning to the Novus Ordo? The question answers itself.
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Without getting into the fray of what happened in Florida and what were, or were not, the reasons for it, the last two sentences say a lot. The TLM is inherently attractive, and these 175 people obviously liked what they found there. Would you rather have them returning to the Novus Ordo? The question answers itself.
No, as long as they are receiving Catheicism(which they are not). And the people who were going to the other chapel were not kicked to the curb after attending mass there for 30 years, which is what happened.
I will say COVID has been good for the Florida SSPX. As Rahm Emanuel once said, “never let a good crisis go to waste.” Last year, they raised 500K in Jacksonville, 250K in Sanford, and one million dollars in South Florida. All the while, they were closing one of the busier chapels in the most significant part of the state. That chapel was in the middle of a fundraiser to build a new chapel on the current grounds.
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Look, it's pretty clear that there is no difference between the neo-SSPX and the indult mass offered at the local diocese. I mean, the SSPX choir sometimes attends and sings at the Diocesan TLM and vice versa.
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No, as long as they are receiving Catheicism(which they are not). And the people who were going to the other chapel were not kicked to the curb after attending mass there for 30 years, which is what happened.
I will say COVID has been good for the Florida SSPX. As Rahm Emanuel once said, “never let a good crisis go to waste.” Last year, they raised 500K in Jacksonville, 250K in Sanford, and one million dollars in South Florida. All the while, they were closing one of the busier chapels in the most significant part of the state. That chapel was in the middle of a fundraiser to build a new chapel on the current grounds.
Dumb question here, it might not be everything we'd like, but how would it be, to read a chapter from the Baltimore Catechism, just bare-bones, no commentary, after the homily on Sundays? I knew of an independent priest who did something similar, and it was well-received.
This year for our homeschool religion class, I am just teaching straight BC #2, with my own commentary, so far with good results. I thought my son would profit from the review (used the Father Bennet BC #2 in Grade 6, and it was kind of "precious", puerile artwork from the 1950s), and my mother is sitting in on this class. I asked her to do this, as her adult convert catechesis was pathetic, from a tradition-friendly older Novus Ordo priest, but a kind of "rush job" (he did not want my parents to have to undergo RCIA, which was about to be introduced) and she didn't retain much. She never studied the BC. My mother is almost blind, and now that my father is gone (they were married 66 years), she basically just sits, listens to some TV, and does light housework. She can no longer read.
This is in preparation for using My Catholic Faith down the road --- you could teach two or three years of religion just using MCF and nothing else. He's not yet ready for MCF.
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Look, it's pretty clear that there is no difference between the neo-SSPX and the indult mass offered at the local diocese.
That is certainly true in some respects, but there are still some important differences which remain (differences which may no longer be as important to the SSPX as they once were, but which are still important to many faithful):
1) The SSPX will **usually** have a priest or Bishop with certainly valid orders, whereas indult/Ecclesia Dei priests/bishops have merely more or less probable orders.
2) The SSPX will still have **many priests** who will reject the hermeneutic of continuity, and understand V2 is a unique aberration (not as many as formerly, admittedly, but some is better than none, which is what the indult groups field).
3) The SSPX is branded and muzzled, and despite its best efforts, only 85% captured by conciliar Rome. Consequently, once in a while, someone surprises us with a courageous violation of the suicidal branding campaign, but this NEVER happens with the 100% captured/controlled indult groups.
So by degrees, like a slow motion train wreck, Operation ѕυιcιdє limps toward the precipice, but it is not yet synonymous with the indult. I do admit the distinctions disappear more and more as the years go by, and nothing but sermons on virtues, spirituality, and the Mass slowly transform the faithful and clergy into emasculated 1950’s Catholics (and make them just as ripe for full blown integration into conciliarism).
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Well, you have to remember this prior has always been cool with the Novus Ordo. This has been docuмented well here on the forums. Over the last 10 years we've seen a lot of things.....
-The prior expel many people/family for being supportive of the SSPX Resistance. Even hosting an exorcism after Father Hewko had a Mass next door. Yet, a well known "former(?)" pagan and eugenics advocate who has had brushes with the law I've seen attend there at least once. Is this the company he keeps now?
-The priory hosted at least two priests that have left the SSPX. One has left the priesthood completely. Begs the question if many priests of questionable natures are sent there.
-The priests hosting mens nights where the alcohol drank would keep Total Wine afloat for a week. Nothing wrong with moderation but when men claim that women come home after feeding the priests and their wives are drunk --- we have a problem!
-The prior get more interested in politics, meeting with governor, local state reps, word is attending county Republican meetings, etc. The Republican party is not going to save us. They are better as a whole by the Democrats but that bar is really low, let's be honest.
-Lying about money collected. No longer prints how much was collected each Sunday in the bulletin.
-The prior hosting Novus Ordo priests and at the very least assisting in choir at many Masses. Possibly even offering Masses too. E.g. the old pastor of All Souls' in Sanford and also the "toilet/potty mouth" Monsignor.
-Gossip and lie about other parishioners. If he didn't like someone would spread rumors that people were witches, gαys, etc.
etc. etc. etc.
As for the people left, honestly it's been a while now some people have died, some have gone to a local Independent chapel in Orlando proper, some go to the local "ordinariate" parish, very small amount have gone to Bishop Dolan/Sanborn, etc.
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That is certainly true in some respects, but there are still some important differences which remain (differences which may no longer be as important to the SSPX as they once were, but which are still important to many faithful):
1) The SSPX will **usually** have a priest or Bishop with certainly valid orders, whereas indult/Ecclesia Dei priests/bishops have merely more or less probable orders.
2) The SSPX will still have **many priests** who will reject the hermeneutic of continuity, and understand V2 is a unique aberration (not as many as formerly, admittedly, but some is better than none, which is what the indult groups field).
3) The SSPX is branded and muzzled, and despite its best efforts, only 85% captured by conciliar Rome. Consequently, once in a while, someone surprises us with a courageous violation of the suicidal branding campaign, but this NEVER happens with the 100% captured/controlled indult groups.
So by degrees, like a slow motion train wreck, Operation ѕυιcιdє limps toward the precipice, but it is not yet synonymous with the indult. I do admit the distinctions disappear more and more as the years go by, and nothing but sermons on virtues, spirituality, and the Mass slowly transform the faithful and clergy into emasculated 1950’s Catholics (and make them just as ripe for full blown integration into conciliarism).
Excellent post, Sean, and I fully agree.
The SSPX is on a downward trajectory, that much is certain. But they're not at the bottom yet.
Actually, there could be some in the Indult (both priests and laity) "on the way up", as it were, in their spiritual journey. They could be of good will and heading upward, even though today they are only in the Indult, possessing that level of truth. But where will they be in 5 or 10 years? Perhaps they will have a more perfect grasp of the truth.
Meanwhile, the SSPX is on a DOWNWARD trajectory. Where will THEY be in 5 or 10 years? Possibly lower than some who attend the Indult today. But I speak here about those of good will, not those who KNOW BETTER and are there out of weakness, compromise, cowardice, laziness, etc.
Let's be honest -- it's easier, more socially acceptable, more convenient, and takes less guts to show up at an Indult Mass than it does to associate with independent chapels and small, maligned groups like the Resistance. The Indult is simply more accommodating, offers more opportunities for socializing and networking, is more accepted by the World, etc. The physical buildings are prettier. The aesthetics (architecture, Chant, decor, etc.) are often superior. The congregations are usually larger. So a person CAN attend the Indult for reasons other than "to serve and worship Almighty God". With the Resistance, for example, that is the ONLY reason you attend.
People don't eat kale out of gluttony. They ONLY eat it because they care about their health.
Even Indult "fans" have to admit -- when you go to the Indult, the bad guys running the Conciliar Church don't fight you. They are OK with you. You don't have to fight. But ask yourself: is that a good thing? SHOULDN'T YOU have to fight, when the Church has been taken over by the enemies of God and man? I'm not saying everyone attending the Indult is a coward -- but it's true that fighting is not necessary when you attend the Indult. So I believe that all (would-be Trad) cowards are attracted to the Indult. So it's not that all Indult are cowards -- but that all cowards are Indult. How could it be otherwise? The Indult is literally the group which involves the LEAST fighting and opposition to both the World and Conciliar Church authorities. I welcome any arguments to the contrary.
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.....The SSPX in Florida is obsessed with new “projects,” and they never get completed. It is a disaster of epic proportions. Resources are wasted money thrown away on useless endeavors etc.
For example, they have a mass center in a shopping center at Miramar Beach, a sleepy little tourist town of 6,000 people—but they don’t have a chapel in the most populous county of Florida of close three million people. How does this make any sense?
It makes sense once you read this Aesop Fable:
(https://i.imgur.com/PmQOwIc.png)
The Goatherd & the Wild Goats
One cold stormy day a Goatherd drove his Goats for shelter into a cave, where a number of Wild Goats had also found their way. The Shepherd wanted to make the Wild Goats part of his flock; so he fed them well. But to his own flock, he gave only just enough food to keep them alive. When the weather cleared, and the Shepherd led the Goats out to feed, the Wild Goats scampered off to the hills.
"Is that the thanks I get for feeding you and treating you so well?" complained the Shepherd.
"Do not expect us to join your flock," replied one of the Wild Goats. "We know how you would treat us later on, if some strangers should come as we did."
It is unwise to treat old friends badly for the sake of new ones.
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Well, you have to remember this prior has always been cool with the Novus Ordo. This has been docuмented well here on the forums. Over the last 10 years we've seen a lot of things.....
-The prior expel many people/family for being supportive of the SSPX Resistance. Even hosting an exorcism after Father Hewko had a Mass next door. Yet, a well known "former(?)" pagan and eugenics advocate who has had brushes with the law I've seen attend there at least once. Is this the company he keeps now?
-The priory hosted at least two priests that have left the SSPX. One has left the priesthood completely. Begs the question if many priests of questionable natures are sent there.
-The priests hosting mens nights where the alcohol drank would keep Total Wine afloat for a week. Nothing wrong with moderation but when men claim that women come home after feeding the priests and their wives are drunk --- we have a problem!
-The prior get more interested in politics, meeting with governor, local state reps, word is attending county Republican meetings, etc. The Republican party is not going to save us. They are better as a whole by the Democrats but that bar is really low, let's be honest.
-Lying about money collected. No longer prints how much was collected each Sunday in the bulletin.
-The prior hosting Novus Ordo priests and at the very least assisting in choir at many Masses. Possibly even offering Masses too. E.g. the old pastor of All Souls' in Sanford and also the "toilet/potty mouth" Monsignor.
-Gossip and lie about other parishioners. If he didn't like someone would spread rumors that people were witches, gαys, etc.
etc. etc. etc.
As for the people left, honestly it's been a while now some people have died, some have gone to a local Independent chapel in Orlando proper, some go to the local "ordinariate" parish, very small amount have gone to Bishop Dolan/Sanborn, etc.
Wow. Is this true? Did he host an exorcism after Fr. Hewko said mass next door? Is there a link to this story? I have a friend who thinks highly of Fr. Hewko and has no idea Venroy did this.
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Wow. Is this true? Did he host an exorcism after Fr. Hewko said mass next door? Is there a link to this story? I have a friend who thinks highly of Fr. Hewko and has no idea Venroy did this.
Very much so, I was there to see all this play out.