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Offline Ecclesia Militans

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The Consecration of Russia
« on: February 16, 2014, 05:58:25 PM »
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  • In Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer's sermon given in Dublin, Ireland on February 12, 2014, he speaks about the importance of the Pope uniting with the Bishops of the world to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  He sees this consecration as the solution to the current crisis in the Church.  I would like to know what your thoughts are on the consecration of Russia and its importance in relation the current crisis in the Church.  Please give also your affiliation, that is, SSPX-Marian Corps, SSPX under Bishop Fellay, Sedevacantist, Novus Ordo, etc.


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    « Reply #1 on: February 16, 2014, 05:59:30 PM »
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  • I am affiliated with the SSPX-Marian Corps. I have been very firm in the position since 2004 (the year I came to Tradition) that the consecration of Russia is the only solution for the current crisis in the Church. I still hold that position today. I have seen a distancing from this position within the SSPX under Bishop Fellay. Also, I have heard Sedevacantists who give very little importance to this part of the Fatima message in regards to solving the crisis in the Church. I think one's position on the consecration of Russia as the solution to this crisis is very important in regards to being on the same team, so to speak, in the fight for the restoration of the glory of the Church.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 16, 2014, 06:13:24 PM »
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  • We have yet another claimant to the papacy who thinks he knows better than Pius XII.  :sleep:
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    « Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 06:30:25 PM »
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  • I think one of two options is most likely. Either when Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia, it was accepted by God, or there is a true pope in hiding who did or will do the consecration. I don't think Francis or one of his modernist successors will consecrate Russia, or if he does, I don't think it will do any good.

    I generally support the resistance, but I still go to SSPX masses because I do not have access to resistance Masses.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 06:39:57 PM »
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    Either when Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia, it was accepted by God...

    But where was the Era of Peace promised by Our Lady?


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    « Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 06:47:35 PM »
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    Either when Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia, it was accepted by God...

    But where was the Era of Peace promised by Our Lady?


    It was really short?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 06:53:46 PM »
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    Either when Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia, it was accepted by God...

    But where was the Era of Peace promised by Our Lady?

    Well, there hasn't been a major war since World War II that came anywhere close to World War I or World War II, so I would say the second half of the 20th century was much more peaceful than the first.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 07:50:29 PM »
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  • Excellent point.   :detective:
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    « Reply #8 on: February 17, 2014, 02:37:13 AM »
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    Quote from: Ecclesia Militans
    In Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer's sermon given in Dublin, Ireland on February 12, 2014, he speaks about the importance of the Pope uniting with the Bishops of the world to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  He sees this consecration as the solution to the current crisis in the Church.  I would like to know what your thoughts are on the consecration of Russia and its importance in relation the current crisis in the Church.  


    I firmly believe this is of PARAMOUNT importance, and I thank you for posting this topic.  You are a good warrior, Ecclesia Militans!  It is an honor to have this association with you.

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    Please give also your affiliation, that is, SSPX-Marian Corps, SSPX under Bishop Fellay, Sedevacantist, Novus Ordo, etc.



    I haven't listened to the sermon yet.  

    This is an excellent question.  

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    I am affiliated with the SSPX-Marian Corps. I have been very firm in the position since 2004 (the year I came to Tradition) that the consecration of Russia is the only solution for the current crisis in the Church. I still hold that position today. I have seen a distancing from this position within the SSPX under Bishop Fellay. Also, I have heard Sedevacantists who give very little importance to this part of the Fatima message in regards to solving the crisis in the Church. I think one's position on the consecration of Russia as the solution to this crisis is very important in regards to being on the same team, so to speak, in the fight for the restoration of the glory of the Church.



    My first exposure to this question was not long after 1960, when the Third Secret was supposed to be released.  But it wasn't until about 20 years later that it became a pressing issue as the lack of both the Secret and the promised effects of the Collegial Consecration became more noticeable.  Then JPII made the defective 'entrustment' that had little or no effect, and the Newchurch neo-cons tried to spin it (which was a transparent failure).  

    It seems to me that the current crisis in the Church has been ongoing since 1960 when these things were to have become clearer.  This is not to say it didn't exist before 1960, but that it became more discernible at that time.  

    My affiliation is not really SSPX, but any of the various TLMs in my greater area.  I would like to say that you are doing more with your recent awareness, Eccl. Milit., than I am with mine, and I would like to encourage you in your effort.  I reverted to Tradition in about 1994, due to the intercession of St. Philomena and Our Lady.



    I have seen a distancing from this position within the SSPX under Bishop Fellay. Also, I have heard Sedevacantists who give very little importance to this part of the Fatima message in regards to solving the crisis in the Church.



    You are correct on both counts.  Neither one makes sense to me, why they're doing this.  It shows IMHO they are falling under demonic influence.  Other traditional priests are likewise misled in this way, that is those not with the SSPX nor sedevacantists.  It is much more common among NovusOrdo priests, too.  

    It seems to me that this is inexcusable for +F, who ought to know better, but he seems much more interested in politics and worldly pursuits than he is in taking Our Lady's prophesy at face value, which looks like a weakness in faith, sorry to say.  That's my opinion.

    The sedes appear self-contradictory in this regard since some of them are quite diligent with having their congregations recite the Fatima prayers (as the Angel instructed the children and as Our Lady reinforced them.  One would think that would help the sedes have faith in her prophesy, but they fall short of that confidence in her words because they place their conviction of the Chair of Peter being empty for so long, they are stuck in a logical conundrum, without any Pope to do the consecration as Our Lady asked, and without any bishops (as it were) worldwide to cooperate with the Pope.


    I think one's position on the consecration of Russia as the solution to this crisis is very important in regards to being on the same team, so to speak, in the fight for the restoration of the glory of the Church.



    I think one's position on the consecration of Russia as the solution to this crisis is very important in regards to being on the same team, so to speak, in the fight for the restoration of the glory of the Church.




    I agree with you.  The traditional priests I know who do not believe this is important in regards to being on the same team is very disconcerting to me.  They appear to be suffering from a shortcoming of grace which is linked to objective information, facts of history, and writings of FALSE PROPHETS who have somehow managed to deceive these otherwise good priests.  

    We should remember to pray for our priests and to offer penances for them, and pray to the saints for their intercession.  

    In a couple of weeks will be the 16th anniversary of the martyrdom of Fr. Alfred Joseph Kunz.  It seems to me he would be a good one to request graces from (even though he has not been officially recognized).  I believe this is the case because as a martyr, he does not need to be officially recognized, and I say that we should invoke God's grace through his intercession because I have already received conspicuous signal graces just by invoking his name.  

    Fr. Kunz was murdered as a staunch defender of Catholic Tradition in Dane, Wisconsin on the night of March 3rd/4th, 1998.   There is/are still no suspect(s) in the Police detective's case, although there may be some important clues the police are not willing to divulge.


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    « Reply #9 on: February 17, 2014, 03:09:19 AM »
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    Either when Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia, it was accepted by God...

    But where was the Era of Peace promised by Our Lady?

    Well, there hasn't been a major war since World War II that came anywhere close to World War I or World War II, so I would say the second half of the 20th century was much more peaceful than the first.


    What good is apparently "more peaceful" when souls are falling into hell like snowflakes (the holy children of Fatima said).  




    From the Gospel of yesterday, Feast of Sts. Faustina and Jovita:

    "And I say to you, My friends :  Be not afraid of them that kill the body and after that have no more that they can do.  But I will show you from whom you shall fear :  Fear ye Him who, after He hath killed, hath power to cast into hell :  Yea, I say to you :  Fear Him" (St. Luke xii. 1-8).




    What better example, in our time, than the spiritual chastisement under which we currently labor in this abominable Crisis in the Church?  

    Fear not a great war like World War I or World War II, when the body was killed and after that the enemy had no more that he can do.  But God shows us from whom we shall fear :  Fear ye Him who, prowling about the world like a hungry lion seeking whom He might devour, He hath killed your faith with His wiles and snares of Modernism and corruption even in the Church, by His false prophets insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.  Behold, God has told it to us beforehand (cf. Matt. xxiv. 24-25).



    When the Third Secret is revealed, there won't be any question what's more dangerous, a war or this.



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    « Reply #10 on: February 17, 2014, 03:15:50 AM »
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    Either when Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia, it was accepted by God...

    But where was the Era of Peace promised by Our Lady?


    It was really short?



    A time that's REALLY SHORT isn't an ERA.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 17, 2014, 04:11:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Fr. Kunz was murdered as a staunch defender of Catholic Tradition in Dane, Wisconsin on the night of March 3rd/4th, 1998.   There is/are still no suspect(s) in the Police detective's case, although there may be some important clues the police are not willing to divulge. .


    -Up in the middle of the night sometime last year listening to an old Coast to Coast broadcast with Art Bell interviewing Malachi Martin (describing Fr. Kunz's death).

    -When they talked about this case, and possible satanic involvement, I hoped one day his murder mystery would be solved and motive brought to light. Whenever I hear about this case, there's  a 'weird' awareness it brings to my consciousness. Like what did he know???

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    « Reply #12 on: February 17, 2014, 08:58:59 AM »
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  • Posted novel on consecrations in library. RUSSIAN SUNRISE

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    « Reply #13 on: February 17, 2014, 03:04:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: The Penny Catechism
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Fr. Kunz was murdered as a staunch defender of Catholic Tradition in Dane, Wisconsin on the night of March 3rd/4th, 1998.   There is/are still no suspect(s) in the Police detective's case, although there may be some important clues the police are not willing to divulge. .


    -Up in the middle of the night sometime last year listening to an old Coast to Coast broadcast with Art Bell interviewing Malachi Martin (describing Fr. Kunz's death).

    -When they talked about this case, and possible satanic involvement, I hoped one day his murder mystery would be solved and motive brought to light. Whenever I hear about this case, there's  a 'weird' awareness it brings to my consciousness. Like what did he know???


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    « Reply #14 on: February 20, 2014, 02:37:07 PM »
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  • I used to think the question was very important and I don't deny it still is now.  But even if Russia was consecrated "late" and imperfectly by Pius XII I think that is all we are going to get.  Let's get a valid Pope first.

    I believe we should work on sanctifying our own souls and then pray and work to convert as we can.

    So my updated answer to the subject question of this thread is "meh".  

    Wake me up when we get a Pope and we can talk.
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