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Offline Dylan

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« on: January 11, 2008, 10:25:17 PM »
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  • A former friend of mine (and former Catholic) had read the following article: http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/great-catholic-monarch.htm

    This is what he said in response:

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    I for one am aware of all the Catholic prophecies. If you remember correctly, i started a thread on Catholic prophecies regarding the coming Catholic Monarch. However, they are just that, prophecies. Where is the Scripture that supports this returning Monarch? There isnt anything in Scriptures that supports this. In fact, the only force said to arise in the Last Days is the anti-Christ which is said to decieve the Faithful.


    What would be a good response to this? Also does anyone know anymore information on this subject? Thanks.


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    « Reply #1 on: January 13, 2008, 02:49:59 AM »
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  • I'm not aware of that Great Catholic Monarch you're talking about.

    Perhaps, I shall read the link you gave someday.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 13, 2008, 03:15:38 AM »
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    « Reply #3 on: January 13, 2008, 03:41:38 AM »
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  • This is what Catholic Encyclopedia wrote concerning prophetic private revelation:

    The last prophetic work which the Church acknowledges as Divinely inspired is the Apocalypse. The prophetic spirit did not disappear with the Apostolic times, but the Church has not pronounced any work prophetic since then, though she has canonized numberless saints who were more or less endowed with the gift of prophecy. The Church allows freedom in accepting or rejecting particular or private prophecies according to the evidence for or against them. We should be slow to admit and slow to reject them, and in either case treat them with respect when they come to us from trustworthy sources, and are in accordance with Catholic doctrine and the rules of Catholic morality. The real test of these predictions is their fulfilment; they may be only pious anticipations of the ways of Providence, and they may sometimes be fulfilled in part and in part contradicted by events. The minatory prophecies which announce calamities, being for the most part conditional, may or may not be fulfilled. Many private prophecies have been verified by subsequent events, some have not; others have given rise to a good deal of discussion as to their genuineness. Most of the private prophecies of the saints and servants of God were concerned with individuals, their death, recovery from illness, or vocations. Some foretold things which would affect the fate of nations, as France, England, and Ireland. A great number have reference to popes and to the papacy; and finally we have many such prophecies relating to the end of the world and the approach of the Day of Judgment.

    The more noteworthy of the prophecies bearing upon "latter times" seem to have one common end, to announce great calamities impending over mankind, the triumph of the Church, and the renovation of the world. All the seers agree in two leading features as outlined by E.H. Thompson in his "Life of Anna Maria Taigi" (ch. 18): "First they all point to some terrible convulsion, to a revolution springing from most deep-rooted impiety, consisting in a formal opposition to God and His truth, and resulting in the most formidable persecution to which the Church has ever been subject. Secondly, they all promise for the Church a victory more splendid than she has ever achieved here below. We may add another point in which there is a remarkable agreement in the catena of modern prophecies, and that is the peculiar connection between the fortunes of France and those of the Church and the Holy See, and also the large part which that country has still to play in the history of the Church and of the world, and will continue to play to the end of time."

    Some prophetic spirits were prolific in the forecasts of the future. The biographer of St. Philip Neri states that if all the prophecies attributed to this saint were narrated, they alone would fill entire volumes. It is sufficient to give the following as examples of private prophecies.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 07:47:27 PM »
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  • Thanks, everyone, for the responses. But, I am still confused about this subject.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 10:43:55 PM »
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  • RE Dylan

    former friend of mine (and former Catholic) had read the following article: http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/great-catholic-monarch.htm

    This is what he said in response:

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    I for one am aware of all the Catholic prophecies. If you remember correctly, i started a thread on Catholic prophecies regarding the coming Catholic Monarch. However, they are just that, prophecies. Where is the Scripture that supports this returning Monarch? There isnt anything in Scriptures that supports this. In fact, the only force said to arise in the Last Days is the anti-Christ which is said to decieve the Faithful.


    What would be a good response to this? Also does anyone know anymore information on this subject? Thanks.

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    Well, I just managed to get kicked out of Fisheaters.com for saying that you should put most of these prophecies away and remember the following from what Jesus said in scripture:

    Matthew 16:4

    A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign: and a sign shall not be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. And he left them, and went away

        If you look around the Church and the world today, I can't help but wonder if something has gone horribly wrong, especially since the 1869 infallibility doctrine of Vatican I. I think that makes Pope Benedict the 10th infallible. The two Popes following the Council had visions of the Church chastisement. (  in 1884- Leo XIII and 1909 - Pius X) My question is why can't we address the issue of why God would choose to chastise the Church, and possibly strike the Shepherd? Problem is, that when you get bogged down in this "infallible" mode, nobody ever is going to admit a mistake.  We now had a Pope who credited his survival to Our Lady of Fatima. Can you imagine the Church having to explain the last 140 years of its behavior?  We'll probably see the prophecy of 3 days darkness before that might happen.

        To sum up things, to make things better, we as a generation need to repent, and  to run away from the wickedness which surrounds us, and to establish all things in Christ. (Pope Pius X's motto)  Waiting for signs or depending on spiritually dead  clergy is not going to cut it.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 11:08:42 PM »
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    « Reply #7 on: January 19, 2008, 06:21:40 PM »
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  • So, the general consensus here is that these are false prophesies? Forgive me if I misunderstood.

    My former friend (and Catholic at the time) mentioned this "great Catholic monarch", whom I had never heard of before, and posted the article I listed in the original post. Later, on my former friend has been brainwashed by many Protestants he'd been talking with to believe that the Catholic Church is "the whore of Babylon", he revived this topic and said, "the only reference to a great monarch to appear in the last days in the Bible is the Antichrist."

    A lot of these prophecies are from Catholic saints so I thought that gave them some credibility.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 20, 2008, 09:18:54 PM »
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  • Human nature likes to have a scapegoat. The protestant's hatred of Catholicism is Satanic. Tell your buddy to check this link out.

    http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg19867.html

       Most protestants make America some sort of false Idol. They have a hard time admitting that the secular calf has removed nearly every vestige of Christianity from American Culture. Christ said, a kingdom divided will not stand. In America, if anyone can just pick up a bible and believe what he wants, then anti-Christ values are going to rule. The kingdom of evil works together in a much more coherent fashion. Love of money, sex, power are the world's values, while we are argue about possible Catholic monarchs and other non productive (devisive) issues.

      So in this time of deception, pay attention to the words of Christ in the scripture, and interpret along with Catholic teaching.  Christ warned about wolves in sheep's clothing. He warned about false apparitions.  He said true religion is helping the fatherless. In other words, keep it real, not bogus and don't forget the need for constant prayer, lest you become a castaway.


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    « Reply #9 on: January 21, 2008, 06:50:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Magdalene
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    I sent this to a Protestant who mentioned this subject and this is what they said:

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    Too bad you think that false prophecy true. It is all a lie, the only Catholic Monarch to rise up will be anti-christ leader of the mass of anti-christs out there, and his sole purpose will be to kill us


    How should I respond to this? Thanks.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 21, 2008, 07:55:58 PM »
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  • First of all, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that a Catholic monarch will be the Antichrist. This Protestant you know, Dylan, seems to be anti-Catholic. If the Protestant argues about things being in the Bible, then it is absurd that he would he say the Antichrist is a Catholic monarch if it does not say that anywhere in the Bible. In fact, the word "catholic" is not even in the Bible at all, even though it is expressed in it.  
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)