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The Chosen Chastisement of Our Times
« on: October 19, 2013, 02:00:45 PM »
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    The chosen chastisement for our times is no chastisement. God has abandoned even Catholics to their own desires, even to the point of providing them with clergy that confirm them in whatever sin they desire. Scarcely can you find a Catholic that thinks anything but that we are living in the best of times. Truly we are living in the time described in 2 Timothy:


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    For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears (2 Tim 4:3)



    Saint John Eudes  wrote in "The Priest, His Dignity and Obligations":

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    “The most evident mark of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clergy who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than charity and affection of devoted shepherds ...

    “When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, ‘Return O ye revolting children ... and I will give you pastors according to My own heart’. (Jer. 3:14,15) Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests constitute a scourge upon the people in consequence of sin.”

    Good Catholics get what they pray for.

    Catholics who are indifferent, CINO, and fallen away, get what they desire, AS A PUNISHMENT. We have bad clergy today because that is what 99% of Catholics wanted. They wanted priests who let them do and believe whatever they wanted to. That is what they got! What they consider to be great, is in reality A CHATISEMENT from God.

    God's worst chastisement is no chastisement, the people are left to do as they please, God has given them up to their desires, and even provided blind guides to confirm them in whatever sin they desire.


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    Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice:

    19 Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.

    20 For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

    21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22 For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

    23 And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of four footed beasts, and of creeping things.

    24 Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.

    27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

    28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers,

    30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31 Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

    32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them
    (Romans 1:18-32)

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    The Chosen Chastisement of Our Times
    « Reply #1 on: October 19, 2013, 02:12:07 PM »
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  • Good post
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    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2013, 08:08:55 PM »
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  • Seems that for both of you, the Church is a mere political unity. This is against all the definitions of the Church.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2013, 09:12:55 PM »
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    Seems that for both of you, the Church is a mere political unity. This is against all the definitions of the Church.


    Saint John Eudes and I?

    You sure know how to extend your comments to like 20 postings before anyone even has a faint idea of what the heck you are talking about. Cut to the chase this time will you?

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    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2013, 09:29:12 PM »
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    Seems that for both of you, the Church is a mere political unity. This is against all the definitions of the Church.


    Saint John Eudes and I?

    You sure know how to extend your comments to like 20 postings before anyone even has a faint idea of what the heck you are talking about. Cut to the chase this time will you?


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    We have bad clergy today ...

    No, we have many heretical clergy today. Surely many "Catholics" are happy with the changes, but you pretend that these are just "bad" clergy.

    I don't doubt you can't comprehend my point.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #5 on: October 19, 2013, 09:33:41 PM »
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    I don't doubt you can't comprehend my point.


    Whatever.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 19, 2013, 09:41:27 PM »
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    I don't doubt you can't comprehend my point.


    Whatever.


    Great point bowler. You have proven that only your opinion matters because you're the only one who can read things "as written."
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #7 on: October 20, 2013, 07:28:07 PM »
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    I don't doubt you can't comprehend my point.


    Whatever.


    Great point bowler. You have proven that only your opinion matters because you're the only one who can read things "as written."


    Bump.  Bowler's quotations from the Bible, as well as St. John Eudes are absolutely perfect for our times.  

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    « Reply #8 on: October 21, 2013, 12:00:53 AM »
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  • “The most evident mark of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clergy who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than charity and affection of devoted shepherds ...

    “When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, ‘Return O ye revolting children ... and I will give you pastors according to My own heart’. (Jer. 3:14,15)
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 24, 2013, 11:04:17 AM »
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    The chosen chastisement for our times is no chastisement. God has abandoned even Catholics to their own desires, even to the point of providing them with clergy that confirm them in whatever sin they desire.


    Quote from: Ladislaus
    Prophecy of St. Francis of Assissi:

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    At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death.  ... Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.



    It's also interesting that it was St. Francis who made this prophecy and that Bergoglio took the name Francis. AND Notice how the faithful will be called "rebels and schismatics".

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    « Reply #10 on: October 24, 2013, 12:07:48 PM »
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  • Vatican II and its aftermath are in fact the chastisement.  There can be no greater.

    If by chastisement would be meant some kind of physical discipline, then that would be an act of God's Mercy.  When people are hit that way, the churches fill up and people are on their knees.  With this spiritual chastisement, however, God is just giving people what they want.  It's like a parent finally saying to a child, "I've tried everything else I can think of (2 World Wars) to bring you into line.  Fine.  Just do what you want."


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    « Reply #11 on: October 24, 2013, 07:07:47 PM »
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    Vatican II and its aftermath are in fact the chastisement.  There can be no greater.

    If by chastisement would be meant some kind of physical discipline, then that would be an act of God's Mercy.  When people are hit that way, the churches fill up and people are on their knees.  With this spiritual chastisement, however, God is just giving people what they want.  It's like a parent finally saying to a child, "I've tried everything else I can think of (2 World Wars) to bring you into line.  Fine.  Just do what you want."


    I tend to agree. But how will it end? With a physical chastisement? A miracle of cosmic proportions? Or will people just wake up one morning, groan and realized we were all Conciliar, to paraphrase St. Jerome?

    Will the Western Church regain her institutions and splendor? Or is this really THE END?   :sad:

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    « Reply #12 on: October 24, 2013, 07:24:36 PM »
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  • Interesting take on chastisement. But I don't get it. From the VALID Marian apparitions were told of a very real, eventful chastisement which will hurt even the faithful.


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    « Reply #13 on: October 25, 2013, 06:35:49 AM »
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    The chosen chastisement for our times is no chastisement. God has abandoned even Catholics to their own desires, even to the point of providing them with clergy that confirm them in whatever sin they desire.


    Quote from: Ladislaus
    Prophecy of St. Francis of Assissi:

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    At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death.  ... Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.



    It's also interesting that it was St. Francis who made this prophecy and that Bergoglio took the name Francis. ".


    AND Notice below how the faithful will be called "rebels and schismatics

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    Also from the same prophecy of St. Francis:

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    Those who preserve their fervor and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth, but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him.




    Also, remember that tradition tells us that it is St. Francis who replaced Lucifer in Heaven.

    And that no pope ever elected the name of Francis. Therefore, it could be that Lucifer is mocking St. Francis and God.

     

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