Author Topic: The Catholic Faith is NOT a meme! (Read 1274 times)

Jehanne · « **on:** August 30, 2014, 09:03:18 AM »

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an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meme

That's how atheists, many others, and even some traditional Catholics, at least on the surface, view the Catholic Faith, as being some human construct, nothing more.

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It does not matter what happens at the October Synod.

Even if Francis becomes an unquestioned apostate by trying to "redefine" the Natural Law, the natural law will still be true. 2+2 will still be equal to 4 come this November and even the one after, even if Francis tries to make it out to be 4.1, 5, 10, or whatever...

OHCA · « **Reply #1 on:** August 30, 2014, 10:40:23 AM »

Quote from: Jehanne

In short,

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It does not matter what happens at the October Synod.

Even if Francis becomes an unquestioned apostate by trying to "redefine" the Natural Law, the natural law will still be true. 2+2 will still be equal to 4 come this November and even the one after, even if Francis tries to make it out to be 4.1, 5, 10, or whatever...

I agree with the last part of your quote. But it does matter in some regards. It will matter in the sense that conciliarism, and I believe that there are still some true Catholic souls there out of what they think is obligatory obedience, will be caught up in this further downward spiral of the "church," and their souls will be in yet greater peril than now by following this evil.

I agree that it does not matter in terms of changing the truth--you're right--2+2 will still equal 4. But I do believe it will matter in terms of consequences. Hopefully rather than riding the swirl of the bath water down the drain, it will open the eyes of true Catholics stranded in conciliardom and they will find their way to true Catholicism.

Jehanne · « **Reply #2 on:** August 30, 2014, 07:02:27 PM »

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Quote from: Jehanne
In short,

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It does not matter what happens at the October Synod.

Even if Francis becomes an unquestioned apostate by trying to "redefine" the Natural Law, the natural law will still be true. 2+2 will still be equal to 4 come this November and even the one after, even if Francis tries to make it out to be 4.1, 5, 10, or whatever...

I agree with the last part of your quote. But it does matter in some regards. It will matter in the sense that conciliarism, and I believe that there are still some true Catholic souls there out of what they think is obligatory obedience, will be caught up in this further downward spiral of the "church," and their souls will be in yet greater peril than now by following this evil.

I agree that it does not matter in terms of changing the truth--you're right--2+2 will still equal 4. But I do believe it will matter in terms of consequences. Hopefully rather than riding the swirl of the bath water down the drain, it will open the eyes of true Catholics stranded in conciliardom and they will find their way to true Catholicism.

And, of course, I agree 100% with everything that you said. In terms of Ultimate Truth, it does not matter what some heretic Bishop and/or even "Pope" says, but in terms of consequences, especially, eternal, then such does, in fact, matter. Point is that no one ought to lose his/her Catholic faith (as was said in another post, "some will walk-away from the Church this October") just because Francis decides to become a formal apostate. Just because he loses (or, has lost) his faith is no excuse for you to lose yours!

Marlelar · « **Reply #3 on:** August 30, 2014, 08:01:17 PM »

It matters very much. Many people think he is a legitimate Pope and a leader to be followed. The more he misrepresents the true Catholic faith and the teachings of Christ, the more souls fall into hell. He is a very dangerous man.

Marsha

OHCA · « **Reply #4 on:** August 30, 2014, 09:57:58 PM »

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. . . Point is that no one ought to lose his/her Catholic faith (as was said in another post, "some will walk-away from the Church this October") just because Francis decides to become a formal apostate. Just because he loses (or, has lost) his faith is no excuse for you to lose yours!

Very true. Unfortunately, conciliardom is the only "Catholicism" that many in the NO have any awareness of. So they'll either follow Frank's evils or leave the "church." I felt trapped in the phoniness of conciliardom for about 40 years until I found true Catholicism. When I first found it, right or wrong, I was somewhat bitter for quite awhile that it had been there all along and had not made efforts to make it known to the faithful. Now that I am content in my true Catholic chapel, I am guilty of the same thing that I was previously offended by--not reaching out to others trapped in the NO.

I wish there was something to do to raise awareness for those in the NO of good intent to let them know that we're here; that it may require some effort & travel; but true Catholicism is alive and well. Your assessment of the October situation--implying that many will flee--seems quite accurate to me. Seems like it would be an ideal time to orchestrate an effort to reach out to the poor souls. I don't know what to do--stand outside NO churches with leaflets the Sunday after the $#!+ hits the fan or what... Any ideas?

Jehanne · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2014, 08:08:40 AM »

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. . . Point is that no one ought to lose his/her Catholic faith (as was said in another post, "some will walk-away from the Church this October") just because Francis decides to become a formal apostate. Just because he loses (or, has lost) his faith is no excuse for you to lose yours!

Very true. Unfortunately, conciliardom is the only "Catholicism" that many in the NO have any awareness of. So they'll either follow Frank's evils or leave the "church." I felt trapped in the phoniness of conciliardom for about 40 years until I found true Catholicism. When I first found it, right or wrong, I was somewhat bitter for quite awhile that it had been there all along and had not made efforts to make it known to the faithful. Now that I am content in my true Catholic chapel, I am guilty of the same thing that I was previously offended by--not reaching out to others trapped in the NO.

I wish there was something to do to raise awareness for those in the NO of good intent to let them know that we're here; that it may require some effort & travel; but true Catholicism is alive and well. Your assessment of the October situation--implying that many will flee--seems quite accurate to me. Seems like it would be an ideal time to orchestrate an effort to reach out to the poor souls. I don't know what to do--stand outside NO churches with leaflets the Sunday after the $#!+ hits the fan or what... Any ideas?

Hence, the title of my OP:

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The Catholic Faith is NOT a meme!

No doubt the above message needs to be rephrased differently, but its essence is absolutely true. The World needs to be told that 2+2 = 4 will always be true, and the Catholic Faith, being the Breath of the omnipotent and eternal One and Triune God, is absolutely true and will remain so forever and ever and ever. Consider this term from Merriam-Webster:

Quote from: [b]heresy[/b]

her·e·sy
noun ˈher-ə-sē, ˈhe-rə-

: a belief or opinion that does not agree with the official belief or opinion of a particular religion
plural her·e·sies
Full Definition of HERESY
1
a : adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma
b : denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church
c : an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma
2
a : dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice
b : an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards
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Examples of HERESY

They were accused of heresy.
He was preaching dangerous heresies.

Origin of HERESY
Middle English heresie, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin haeresis, from Late Greek hairesis, from Greek, action of taking, choice, sect, from hairein to take
First Known Use: 13th century

Heresy

"Pope" Francis can choose, if he wants, to "redefine" that what can never, ever be redefined, that is, the natural law, which is absolutely immutable and forever eternal. If Francis makes this choice, then others must, absolutely, choose not to follow him. Such would be a perniciosus est error; that's the message which the World needs to hear!

OHCA · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2014, 09:03:22 AM »

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"Pope" Francis can choose, if he wants, to "redefine" that what can never, ever be redefined, that is, the natural law, which is absolutely immutable and forever eternal. If Francis makes this choice, then others must, absolutely, choose not to follow him. Such would be a perniciosus est error; that's the message which the World needs to hear!

How do we effectively get the message to the world? The Jєωs aren't going to give us sufficient airtime on their talking-head programs. Sure, they'll likely bring some "trad" on to spin how "hate-filled and backwards" he is. But nothing that'll facilitate effectively making our points.

Perhaps standing outside NO churches passing out a flyer with your main message of this thread would be about the most effective thing we can do.

Jehanne · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2014, 12:19:13 PM »

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"Pope" Francis can choose, if he wants, to "redefine" that what can never, ever be redefined, that is, the natural law, which is absolutely immutable and forever eternal. If Francis makes this choice, then others must, absolutely, choose not to follow him. Such would be a perniciosus est error; that's the message which the World needs to hear!

How do we effectively get the message to the world? The Jєωs aren't going to give us sufficient airtime on their talking-head programs. Sure, they'll likely bring some "trad" on to spin how "hate-filled and backwards" he is. But nothing that'll facilitate effectively making our points.

Perhaps standing outside NO churches passing out a flyer with your main message of this thread would be about the most effective thing we can do.

Then do that! Problem, of course, is that nearly all so-called "Catholics" will just ignore you; as such, such "street witnessing" may end-up just being a waste of your time. But, how about some TV ads or other mass marketing? If one out of a thousand Novus Ordo Catholics are converted to Tradition and save their eternal, immortal soul as a consequence, will such an expenditure be worth it? (Ditto for "street witnessing".) What is the "price" of a priceless object, one's infinite soul? The answer is clear -- Traditional Catholics need to do something as opposed to nothing! If Francis decides to become a formal apostate, then such is his choice. The message needs to be,

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Francis is not a Catholic! If one follows him, then one follows him to eternal Hell!!

MyrnaM · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2014, 04:35:45 PM »

Use the Internet!

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** August 31, 2014, 07:20:08 PM »

What is the October Synod?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #10 on:** August 31, 2014, 08:05:13 PM »

Matthew no doubt figured it out already via google, but here is a link anyway

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304231.htm

OHCA · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2014, 08:39:28 PM »

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Matthew no doubt figured it out already via google, but here is a link anyway

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304231.htm

Thanks for the link, Myrna. I had forgotten the details about how Frank is using the synod concept. Sounds to me like this is another way of intentionally devaluing the papacy. What a train wreck the Frank the Fraud Circus is.

Luker · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2014, 08:40:59 PM »

Sorry Jehanne, but if you're going to lob up softballs like this thread title...

:smile:

Jehanne · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2014, 11:37:39 PM »

Bravo!!!

P.S. Non-Catholic religions, all of them which exception, are memes, except for those Truths which they stole from the One True Religion.