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an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture

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That's how atheists, many others, and even some traditional Catholics, at least on the surface, view the Catholic Faith, as being some human construct, nothing more.

In short,

It does not matter what happens at the October Synod.

Even if Francis becomes an unquestioned apostate by trying to "redefine" the Natural Law, the natural law will still be true.  2+2 will still be equal to 4 come this November and even the one after, even if Francis tries to make it out to be 4.1, 5, 10, or whatever...

Quote from: Jehanne

In short,

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It does not matter what happens at the October Synod.

Even if Francis becomes an unquestioned apostate by trying to "redefine" the Natural Law, the natural law will still be true.  2+2 will still be equal to 4 come this November and even the one after, even if Francis tries to make it out to be 4.1, 5, 10, or whatever...

I agree with the last part of your quote.  But it does matter in some regards.  It will matter in the sense that conciliarism, and I believe that there are still some true Catholic souls there out of what they think is obligatory obedience, will be caught up in this further downward spiral of the "church," and their souls will be in yet greater peril than now by following this evil.

I agree that it does not matter in terms of changing the truth--you're right--2+2 will still equal 4.  But I do believe it will matter in terms of consequences.  Hopefully rather than riding the swirl of the bath water down the drain, it will open the eyes of true Catholics stranded in conciliardom and they will find their way to true Catholicism.

And, of course, I agree 100% with everything that you said.  In terms of Ultimate Truth, it does not matter what some heretic Bishop and/or even "Pope" says, but in terms of consequences, especially, eternal, then such does, in fact, matter.  Point is that no one ought to lose his/her Catholic faith (as was said in another post, "some will walk-away from the Church this October") just because Francis decides to become a formal apostate.  Just because he loses (or, has lost) his faith is no excuse for you to lose yours!

. . . Point is that no one ought to lose his/her Catholic faith (as was said in another post, "some will walk-away from the Church this October") just because Francis decides to become a formal apostate.  Just because he loses (or, has lost) his faith is no excuse for you to lose yours!

Very true.  Unfortunately, conciliardom is the only "Catholicism" that many in the NO have any awareness of.  So they'll either follow Frank's evils or leave the "church."  I felt trapped in the phoniness of conciliardom for about 40 years until I found true Catholicism.  When I first found it, right or wrong, I was somewhat bitter for quite awhile that it had been there all along and had not made efforts to make it known to the faithful.  Now that I am content in my true Catholic chapel, I am guilty of the same thing that I was previously offended by--not reaching out to others trapped in the NO.

I wish there was something to do to raise awareness for those in the NO of good intent to let them know that we're here; that it may require some effort & travel; but true Catholicism is alive and well.  Your assessment of the October situation--implying that many will flee--seems quite accurate to me.  Seems like it would be an ideal time to orchestrate an effort to reach out to the poor souls.  I don't know what to do--stand outside NO churches with leaflets the Sunday after the $#!+ hits the fan or what...  Any ideas?