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Offline frankielogue

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Re: The Caliber of Seminaries
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2023, 09:14:48 AM »
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    • Most Holy Trinity Seminary in Reading, PA and St. Peter Martyr Seminary in Verrua Savoia, Italy are both excellent.
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    Re: The Caliber of Seminaries
    « Reply #16 on: May 25, 2023, 11:38:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: frankielogue on May 25, 2023, 09:14:48 AM
    Most Holy Trinity Seminary in Reading, PA and St. Peter Martyr Seminary in Verrua Savoia, Italy are both excellent.

    I do have the impression that those would be excellent seminaries at which to study. I would need to study the material-formal thesis more though and see if it was something I would accept, for it must be held in order to enter those seminaries from what I understand. 

    I wonder how the CMRI seminary is. 

    I do very much sympathize with the sedevacantist position now, although I am not one, at least at this point.

    They training seems more impressive at the sedevacantist and Resistance seminaries more than the SSPX and indult seminaries, of course. 

    Almost two years ago, I was able to see on a retreat the former location of St. Thomas Aquinas SSPX Seminary in Winona, Minnesota, now Holy Angels Novitiate for the SSPX Brothers. It was wonderful to see where Bishop Williamson used to teach. Even more so, it was great to an old Dominican monastery there. 

    If I was a priest, I do not think they would put for too long or at all doing travel for chapels and missions, but I would probably instead be more of a professor at a seminary. 
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    Offline frankielogue

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    Re: The Caliber of Seminaries
    « Reply #17 on: May 26, 2023, 11:42:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Kephapaulos on May 25, 2023, 11:38:03 PM
    I do have the impression that those would be excellent seminaries at which to study. I would need to study the material-formal thesis more though and see if it was something I would accept, for it must be held in order to enter those seminaries from what I understand.

    I wonder how the CMRI seminary is.

    I do very much sympathize with the sedevacantist position now, although I am not one, at least at this point.

    They training seems more impressive at the sedevacantist and Resistance seminaries more than the SSPX and indult seminaries, of course.

    Almost two years ago, I was able to see on a retreat the former location of St. Thomas Aquinas SSPX Seminary in Winona, Minnesota, now Holy Angels Novitiate for the SSPX Brothers. It was wonderful to see where Bishop Williamson used to teach. Even more so, it was great to an old Dominican monastery there.

    If I was a priest, I do not think they would put for too long or at all doing travel for chapels and missions, but I would probably instead be more of a professor at a seminary.

    It is not currently necessary to hold the Thesis to attend Most Holy Trinity Seminary, but you must adhere to the sedevacantist position. The Thesis is required for admission to St. Peter Martyr Seminary. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about the Thesis.

    The CMRI seminary training is less rigorous in comparison, I would say, but I don't wish to speak ill of them publicly.
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    Re: The Caliber of Seminaries
    « Reply #18 on: May 27, 2023, 04:41:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 23, 2023, 09:47:59 AM
    Few can make it through the formation, because:

    1) Outside the classroom, there is still the Horarium to contend with (i.e., the daily schedule, which begins at 3AM, no meat, etc.);

    2) Supposing you could endure the Rule, and were not native French, you are learning two new languages at once (French and Latin).

    3) The washout rate is attrocious: To date, no American SAJM seminarian (i.e., Avrille runs the seminary which, for the time being, teaches both SAJM and Avrille vocations) has made it through.  They keep washing out and either heading for Ireland, or change tracks to become lay brothers.  A couple Americans have made it in the past, though, as Dominicans (e.g., Fr. Terrence Boyle).  I think one other?

    This supports the charge that the SSPX-Resistance never intended to prepare priests for practical formation and ordination.

    While souls wilt, they're working all the intellectual high points, not caring to go into the field to engage the Great Battle.

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    Re: The Caliber of Seminaries
    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2023, 04:56:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 27, 2023, 04:41:37 PM
    This supports the charge that the SSPX-Resistance never intended to prepare priests for practical formation and ordination.

    While souls wilt, they're working all the intellectual high points, not caring to go into the field to engage the Great Battle.
    Just a great analysis. 
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    Re: The Caliber of Seminaries
    « Reply #20 on: May 27, 2023, 04:57:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: frankielogue on May 26, 2023, 11:42:19 AM
    It is not currently necessary to hold the Thesis to attend Most Holy Trinity Seminary, but you must adhere to the sedevacantist position. The Thesis is required for admission to St. Peter Martyr Seminary. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about the Thesis.
    The Cassiciacuм Thesis?
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    Re: The Caliber of Seminaries
    « Reply #21 on: May 28, 2023, 08:53:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 27, 2023, 04:41:37 PM
    This supports the charge that the SSPX-Resistance never intended to prepare priests for practical formation and ordination.

    While souls wilt, they're working all the intellectual high points, not caring to go into the field to engage the Great Battle.

    Maybe the era of seminaries is over. 

    I am not an expert, but I know that seminaries were made mandatory by the Council Of Trent.

    While the average diocesan priest in the 1400s and before could be quite ignorant, I think that a one on one model of formation could be successful.

    How were diocesan priests trained before the 1500s? Private tutoring with an avaliable priest?

    A willing young man could spend the week with a Resistance priest and absorb the basic knowledge necessary to be a good priest.

    There were many saintly priests who did not go to the seminary. I recall the case of St. Philip Nery. There are surely many more.
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