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Offline SimonJude

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Re: The biggest reason I'm not Sede
« Reply #120 on: Yesterday at 08:30:12 PM »
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  • Pounding another's head in response looks SO much like a liberal reaction!
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    Re: The biggest reason I'm not Sede
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    Re: The biggest reason I'm not Sede
    « Reply #122 on: Today at 12:33:57 PM »
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  • For those that say that Sedevacantism solves nothing and offers no solutions, I find that a strange argument. Sedevacantism is an explanation of the crisis. It is simply a conclusion that you either find logical and agree with or not. 

    It is like having a political discussion with someone who has recently gone down many rabbit holes and is coming to some of your conclusions, but still holds on to some of their political programming. You tell them that virtually all world governments, corporations, entertainment, education, etc are all run by Lucifarians under the guise of Freemasons, тαℓмυdists, and even Christians. That they all are working towards the same evil agenda. That regardless of claimed political party, virtually no one makes it to political prominence without being a part of that evil system, directly or indirectly. That you choose not to even vote anymore because even if all of these corrupt evil politicians weren't on the same side, that the voting system is rigged and untrustworthy anyway. That you choose to do your best to just focus on your daily life, your salvation, your family, homeschooling, prepping, etc. And then the person's rebuttal is, "well you have to vote man, you're not offering any solutions". 

    That may be an imperfect analogy, but what I'm trying to say is that perhaps there are circuмstances in which there really are not obvious solutions around the corner and we have to have humility to control what we can, and patience and faith that God is allowing these things and will fix it on his time, not ours.

    I find it very strange that some traditionalists will bash Sedevacantists, but they operate in their day to day lives as though there is no Pope anyway. That they would have doubt and spread calumnies against +Thuc and the consecrations he performed late in life during the crisis, but have little to no issue with +Williamson doing the same thing. Were not both men likely just seeing the end of their lives approaching, and no better solution in sight then to try to preserve valid sacraments for the faithful? Why not look to the faith that we all hold dear and have some charity for each other. 

    Personally, I hold the sedevacantist position because I find it to be the most logical explanation of the crisis, and the most logically consistent position to hold as a Catholic. I believe that R&R mentality can lead one to a very protestant mindset of popesifting for what they personally agree with and find consistent with the magisterium, and what they disagree with and find modernist. And respectfully, that has always been my hangup with some of the positions of Fr Cekada (may he rest in peace). The idea that you can celebrate whatever holy week you prefer, or omit the Leonine prayers, reject the feast of St Joseph the Worker, etc. I believe that despite him coming to the Sedevacantist position, his formation in the SSPX gave him the bold confidence to say, with regard to Pope Pius XII "this is a valid Pope, but I disagree with this, for this reason, Bugnini, etc so I will do something else". This is why I find the CMRI take on the crisis to be the most consistent. They practice the Catholic faith as it was left to us at the time of our last certainly good Pope, follow everything that he instructed through his Papacy, and reject the V2 revolution in its entirety. I think that's logically consistent and practical.

    Having said all of that, like most sedes, I have many family members who attend the SSPX and I do not consider them to be less Catholic. Whether we agree on the crisis or not, we are faithfully trying to live our Catholic Faith and receive the sacraments as worthily and as frequently as possible. I do not post on CI often, and initially was not intending to interject into this thread, as I often find that these discussions just lead to more division and needless infighting among the faithful, but thought that sharing where I am coming from may resonate with some. 
    Matthew 10: 38 And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it.