Author Topic: The Big Green "CCC" (Read 791 times)

Kephapaulos · « **on:** January 06, 2017, 01:22:14 AM »

I loathe to refer to what the Vatican published as the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" because it is not truly such. One of the many dead giveaways is its omission of the sixth precept of the Church concerning marriage. No wonder we see the indissolubility of marriage attacked today! Would we all have been saved the trouble if the precept were not ommitted!

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2017, 11:50:33 PM »

I suspect that the reason that the sixth commandment of the Church was removed was because the other commandments are based on discipline and can be changed while the commandment on marriage is based on divine law and cannot be changed. For example, we have the obligation to assist at mass every Sunday and holy day of obligation. However if I live far away from the church and am unable to get to mass or if I am ill then I am excused from the obligation to attend mass on those days. However one is never excused from obeying teh laws of the Church regarding marriage. Marriage is until death do you part and one is never allowed to have marital intercourse outside of marriage. Doing so is grave matter and would need to be mentioned in confession.

poche · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2017, 11:55:14 PM »

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I suspect that the reason that the sixth commandment of the Church was removed was because the other commandments are based on discipline and can be changed while the commandment on marriage is based on divine law and cannot be changed. For example, we have the obligation to assist at mass every Sunday and holy day of obligation. However if I live far away from the church and am unable to get to mass or if I am ill then I am excused from the obligation to attend mass on those days. However one is never excused from obeying teh laws of the Church regarding marriage. Marriage is until death do you part and one is never allowed to have marital intercourse outside of marriage. Doing so is grave matter and would need to be mentioned in confession.

Nope. It's because the VII religion is not the Catholic Church. It has constantly contrasted itself with the True Faith through its teachings. Just another example.

Your original post was about the removal of the requirement to obey the laws of marriage from the list of commandments of the Church. The commandments of the Church are just that commandments of the Church. They can be modified and changed over the years as the circuмstances change. For example holy days of obligation can be added or removed. It used to be that Catholic in what was to become part of the United States had to pay dues to teh parish that they belonged to.

The laws regarding marriage its indisolubility are part of the divine law of God. No ruling form the Church can change that. Once one is married they are married for life.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2017, 04:20:19 PM »

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I suspect that the reason that the sixth commandment of the Church was removed was because the other commandments are based on discipline and can be changed while the commandment on marriage is based on divine law and cannot be changed. For example, we have the obligation to assist at mass every Sunday and holy day of obligation. However if I live far away from the church and am unable to get to mass or if I am ill then I am excused from the obligation to attend mass on those days. However one is never excused from obeying teh laws of the Church regarding marriage. Marriage is until death do you part and one is never allowed to have marital intercourse outside of marriage. Doing so is grave matter and would need to be mentioned in confession.

Poche,

Are you saying that the sixth precept of the Church to marry a Catholic who is also not a cousin or first cousin is because that precept is still in force in the Novus Ordo? The Omitted part remains? Is that what you're saying?

poche · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2017, 02:10:38 AM »

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I suspect that the reason that the sixth commandment of the Church was removed was because the other commandments are based on discipline and can be changed while the commandment on marriage is based on divine law and cannot be changed. For example, we have the obligation to assist at mass every Sunday and holy day of obligation. However if I live far away from the church and am unable to get to mass or if I am ill then I am excused from the obligation to attend mass on those days. However one is never excused from obeying teh laws of the Church regarding marriage. Marriage is until death do you part and one is never allowed to have marital intercourse outside of marriage. Doing so is grave matter and would need to be mentioned in confession.

Poche,

Are you saying that the sixth precept of the Church to marry a Catholic who is also not a cousin or first cousin is because that precept is still in force in the Novus Ordo? The Omitted part remains? Is that what you're saying?

The prohibition against marrying cousins is a discipline. The Notre Dame Archives are full of requests which were requested and granted during the 1700s between people who were otherwise unable to marry.