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Offline SimpleMan

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Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
« Reply #75 on: Yesterday at 03:43:38 PM »
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    • This just in, from their FAQ page (emphasis mine):

    Who is Hildebrand?

    Hildebrand is a celibate, male, baptized Roman Catholic, member of the Church at Rome, of adult age and free from all ecclesiastical censure. He is not a Bishop, so must be consecrated before he begins his papal ministry. His identity will be made known at the time of his consecration, so that until that time he can freely speak with Bishops and they with him, without threats of persecution or harassment. While this might not please his enemies or those who are addicted to curiosity, the pope elect has the right to conduct his own affairs and make his own personal decisions regarding his personal security. Anyone who is sane and rational can see that; and, thus, the Faithful are asked to be patient regarding the divulging of this information.

    It is ambigious as to whether he is a priest or a layman, though if he is the latter, obviously he would have to be ordained first (note that they say "consecration", only bishops are consecrated).  
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #76 on: Yesterday at 07:46:35 PM »
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    • Could also be a Brother ... as in Bugnolo.

    In his podcast, he refused to answer the question of whether he was a priest, believing that would compromise secrecy regarding his identity.  While there are many at-least-NO priests out there, the pool shrinks dramatically when you consider they would have to be Prevost-vacantists.

    Priests?  Possibly "Fr." Kramer or else there were a couple Italian "priests" who went Bergoglio-vacantist.

    Other than that, Bro B himself or else Ann Barnhardt (found to be actually a man) LOL

    Obviously just kidding, but there's a very small pool of Prevovacantists, so indicating yes or no on priest might in fact dox him, and make him a target.
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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #77 on: Yesterday at 07:51:51 PM »
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    • I'm just curious about who they could find to do the consecration.  As others had pointed out, it would require finding a bishop who either believed that Hildebrand might have had a legit claim or else didn't care at all, and only a Duarte-Costa line might be among the latter 
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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #78 on: Yesterday at 07:55:08 PM »
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    • Other possibility is that they cancel the whole thing after they feel as though they had solicited enough donations despite not having found a bishop.

    Last time they pulled a fast one by just electing Bergoglio again.
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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #79 on: Yesterday at 07:58:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 07:46:35 PM
    indicating yes or no on priest might in fact dox him, and make him a target.
    .

    Honestly I don't think anybody would have the slightest desire to shoot whoever this person is, assuming he exists at all, which I don't believe. I think the whole thing is a big hoax. But I also don't think the modernists or globalists or anybody similar would see any reason to shoot whoever is involved in this ridiculous dog and pony show. I mean, nobody ever tried to αssαssιnαtҽ Pope Michael, and that's about on the same level as this one. :laugh1:
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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #80 on: Yesterday at 11:06:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 07:46:35 PM
    Could also be a Brother ... as in Bugnolo.

    In his podcast, he refused to answer the question of whether he was a priest, believing that would compromise secrecy regarding his identity.  While there are many at-least-NO priests out there, the pool shrinks dramatically when you consider they would have to be Prevost-vacantists.

    Priests?  Possibly "Fr." Kramer or else there were a couple Italian "priests" who went Bergoglio-vacantist.

    Other than that, Bro B himself or else Ann Barnhardt (found to be actually a man) LOL

    Obviously just kidding, but there's a very small pool of Prevovacantists, so indicating yes or no on priest might in fact dox him, and make him a target.

    There is also the provision in canon law (Canon 378 §4 1983 CIC) that a priest must have been ordained for five years before being consecrated a bishop (epikeia, anyone?).

    Canon 330 in the 1917 CIC, per Woywod/Smith, contains the same requirement.
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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #81 on: Today at 08:44:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on Yesterday at 11:06:21 PM
    There is also the provision in canon law (Canon 378 §4 1983 CIC) that a priest must have been ordained for five years before being consecrated a bishop (epikeia, anyone?).

    Canon 330 in the 1917 CIC, per Woywod/Smith, contains the same requirement.

    Canon Law always reflects what's necessary for a well-ordered society under normal conditions, and was routinely dispensed with for any just cause.  Leo X, for instance, had been elected Pope without being a priest (was a Cardinal-deacon), and then quickly ordained, and then consecrated.

    Here's a more recent example of a man who had been a priest for less than a year before being consecrated a bishop.
    https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bkorec.html

    That would be the least of my concerns regarding this papal "election".
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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #82 on: Today at 08:46:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on Yesterday at 07:58:37 PM
    Honestly I don't think anybody would have the slightest desire to shoot whoever this person is, assuming he exists at all, which I don't believe. I think the whole thing is a big hoax. But I also don't think the modernists or globalists or anybody similar would see any reason to shoot whoever is involved in this ridiculous dog and pony show. I mean, nobody ever tried to αssαssιnαtҽ Pope Michael, and that's about on the same level as this one. :laugh1:

    Of course ... except ... put yourself in the mindset of someone who actually believes this man is the legitimate Pope after a series of usurpers had stolen the See.  Given that premise, I would be surprised if someone did NOT want to knock off the newly-elected legitimate Pope.

    Let's say, for instance, that Prevost got so bad that every Traditional Catholic finally agreed that this man is no pope, denying the Real Presence or something along those lines, and they got together in an Imperfect Council to elect a Pope whom all Traditional Catholics then accepted as the legitimate Pope.  I'd have no doubt but that the infiltrators would go after him.
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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #83 on: Today at 09:46:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Today at 08:44:38 AM
    Canon Law always reflects what's necessary for a well-ordered society under normal conditions, and was routinely dispensed with for any just cause.  Leo X, for instance, had been elected Pope without being a priest (was a Cardinal-deacon), and then quickly ordained, and then consecrated.

    Here's a more recent example of a man who had been a priest for less than a year before being consecrated a bishop.
    https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bkorec.html

    That would be the least of my concerns regarding this papal "election".
    I am guessing that this was done out of necessity during the period of Soviet hegemony in eastern Europe, and that the canon was dispensed with.
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