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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
« Reply #45 on: Today at 01:03:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on December 09, 2025, 07:55:01 PM
    Well, at least we now know that they didn't "sanate" the election of Leo as they did with Francis.

    Don't suppose it could be Viganò, eh?

    Stay tuned.

    I'd be shocked if it were +Vigano, since I doubt the latter would accept, and acceptance of the election would be required even for Brother Bugnolo.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #46 on: Today at 01:05:54 AM »
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    • Of course, other questions that would arise are ...

    is the "elected" even a cleric or priest and is he a "bishop"?

    If not a "bishop" then who has provided or will provide episcopal consecration?  Would it be valid?

    Until he's a bishop, he can't teach or pretend to be the bishop of Rome.

    So ... the soap opera continues.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #47 on: Today at 01:08:15 AM »
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    • BTW, they need to find a new secretary to cobble together some decent Latin ... or at least minus the errors.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #48 on: Today at 01:13:44 AM »
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    • Rather strange choice of names also ... Hildebrand.

    Hildebrand was the family name, surname, of Pope Gregory VII.

    That's the equivalent of if I would take the name "Pope Sarto" ... unusual and strange.

    I think that more and more of us are expecting only Peter II and the final consummation of the world at this point.
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    Offline ArmandLouis

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #49 on: Today at 03:09:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Today at 01:13:44 AM
    Rather strange choice of names also ... Hildebrand.

    Hildebrand was the family name, surname, of Pope Gregory VII.

    That's the equivalent of if I would take the name "Pope Sarto" ... unusual and strange.

    I think that more and more of us are expecting only Peter II and the final consummation of the world at this point.
    You can rename your living room ‘The Vatican’ and stage a pontificate in your garage, but canon law still sees nothing but schism.



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    Offline ArmandLouis

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #50 on: Today at 12:57:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Today at 01:02:03 AM
    Yeah, yeah ... sure, just because you say so.  You need not actually present any reasons or arguments, but just bloviate by using the word "intrinsically" as in that it's "self-evident".
    Affirm or deny:

    Pope Honorius remained the Roman Pontiff until his death, even though the Sixth Ecuмenical Council formally condemned and anathematized him as a heretic and Pope Leo II ratified that condemnation.
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    Online SkidRowCatholic

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #51 on: Today at 01:07:31 PM »
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    • False.






    Now give us your opinion on:


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    Offline ArmandLouis

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #52 on: Today at 01:35:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on Today at 01:07:31 PM
    False.






    Now give us your opinion on:



    “To Honorius, the heretic, anathema!“

    In Session XVI of the Sixth Ecuмenical Council (680–681), Honorius I was formally labeled a “heretic”, alongside other Monothelite leaders, yet he remained pope until his death. The council’s acclamation reads verbatim:

    “To Theodore of Pharan, the heretic, anathema!
    To Sergius, the heretic, anathema!
    To Cyrus, the heretic, anathema!
    To Honorius, the heretic, anathema!
    To Pyrrhus, the heretic, anathema!
    To Paul, the heretic, anathema!
    To Peter, the heretic, anathema!
    To Macarius, the heretic, anathema!
    To Stephen, the heretic, anathema!
    To Polychronius, the heretic, anathema!
    To Apergius of Perga, the heretic, anathema!
    To all heretics, anathema!
    To all who side with heretics, anathema!”

    — Nicene and Post‑Nicene Fathers, Second Series, Vol. XIV: The Sixth Ecuмenical Council, Session XVI

    The council language itself used the word “heretic” in association with his name.

    The dogmatic decree itself (as recorded in Mansi, Sacrorum Conciliorum, Tomus XI, cols. 635‑637) also states:

    “…Honorius, qui fuit Papa antiquae Romae… haeretico anathema…”

    English: “…Honorius, who was Pope of Old Rome… anathema to the heretic…”

    The Council repeatedly identified Honorius as a heretic, both in the acclamations of the bishops and in the formal dogmatic decree.


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    Online SimpleMan

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #53 on: Today at 01:40:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Today at 01:13:44 AM
    Rather strange choice of names also ... Hildebrand.

    Hildebrand was the family name, surname, of Pope Gregory VII.

    Indeed.  While it is the secular surname of a pope-saint (Gregory VII), if you're seeking to honor him, why not just take the papal name Gregory?

    I fail to understand what all the coyness is about, first teasing that a pope has been elected but not saying who he is, then releasing his chosen papal name but not disclosing his identity.  It doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
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    Online SkidRowCatholic

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #54 on: Today at 01:43:25 PM »
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    • It is actually really sad...

    You NEED the Popes of the pass to be heretics so you can cling to the heretical non-popes now.

    You attack the Papacy with the same arguments that Protestants used against the Papacy.

    I will stick with Pope Leo II, St. Robert Bellarmine, and all faithful Catholics on this.

    Now, why won't you address my question to you about the "CatholicTrumpet" Thoughts?  
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    Offline ArmandLouis

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    Re: The Bennyvacantists have a new pope.
    « Reply #55 on: Today at 01:54:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on Today at 01:43:25 PM
    It is actually really sad...

    You NEED the Popes of the pass to be heretics so you can cling to the heretical non-popes now.

    You attack the Papacy with the same arguments that Protestants used against the Papacy.

    I will stick with Pope Leo II, St. Robert Bellarmine, and all faithful Catholics on this.

    Now, why won't you address my question to you about the "CatholicTrumpet" Thoughts? 
    Affirm or Deny. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/affirm-or-deny-heretic-yet-pope-until-death-(pope-honorius-i-case/msg1010146/?topicseen#msg1010146
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