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The Bellarmine Resistance Quote: Another Traditionalist Myth
« on: August 13, 2015, 07:02:52 AM »
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    The Bellarmine 'Resistance' Quote: Another Traditionalist Myth
    Rev Anthony Cekada

    Since the 1970s, countless traditionalist writers who have rejected the Vatican II teachings and the New Mass but who oppose sedevacantism have justified their own position by mindlessly recycling the following quote from St. Robert Bellarmine:

          “Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, so also is it licit to resist him who attacks souls or destroys the civil order or above all, tries to de­stroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the exe­cution of his will. It is not licit, however, to judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior.” (De Romano Pontifice,  II.29.)

          This passage, we have repeatedly been told, supports the notion that the traditionalist movement can “resist” the false doctrines, evil laws and sacrilegious worship that Paul VI and his successors promulgated, but still continue to “recognize” them as true Vicars of Christ. (This strange idea is also attributed to other theologians such as Cajetan.)

          The same passage in Bellarmine — we have also been told — shoots down the principle behind sedevacantism (that a heretical pope automatically loses his office) because sedevacantists “judge” and “depose” the pope.

          These conclusions, it turns out, are simply another example of how low intellectual standards in traditionalist polemics give birth to myths that quickly take on the aura of near-revealed truths.

          Anyone who actually consults the original sources and who understands a few fundamental distinctions in canon law comes up with a completely different set of conclusions about what the famous “resistance” passage really means, to wit:

          (1) Bellarmine is talking about a morally evil pope who gives morally evil commands — not one who, like the post-Vatican II popes, teaches doctrinal error or imposes evil laws.

          (2) The context of the statement is a debate over the errors of Gallicanism, not the case of a heretical pope.

          (3) Bellarmine is justifying “resistance” by kings and prelates, not by individual Catholics.

          (4) Bellarmine teaches in the next chapter of his work (30) that a heretical pope automatically loses his authority.

          In a word, the passage can neither be applied to the present crisis nor invoked against sedevacantism.

          A brief comment on each of these four points is in order.

     

    1. Evil Commands, not Laws. Traditionalists do indeed “resist” the false doctrines (e.g., on ecuмenism) and evil laws (e.g. the New Mass) promulgated by the post-Conciliar popes.

          But in the famous quote Bellarmine addresses another case entirely: he has been asked about a pope who unjustly attacks someone, disturbs the public order, or “tries to kill souls by his bad example.” (animas malo suo exemplo nitatur occidere.) In his reply he says “it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders.” (…licet, inquam, ei resistere, non faciendo quod jubet.)

          This language describes a pope who gives bad example or evil commands, rather than — as would be the case with Paul VI or his successors — a pope who teaches doctrinal error or imposes evil laws. This is clear from chapter 27 of Cardinal Cajetan’s De Comparatione Auctoritatis Papae et Concilii, which Bellarmine then immediately cites to support his position.

          First, in his title for chapter 27 Cajetan says he is going to discuss a type of papal offense “other than heresy.” (ex alio crimine quam haeresis.) Heresy, he says, completely alters a pope’s status as a Christian (mutavit christianitatis statum). It is the “greater crime” (majus crimen). The others are “lesser crimes” (criminibus minoribus) that are “not equal to it” (cetera non sunt paria, [ed. Rome: Angelicuм 1936] 409).

          Neither Bellarmine nor Cajetan, therefore, are referring to “resisting” a pope’s doctrinal errors while continuing still to consider him a true pope.

          Second, throughout De Comparatione, Cajetan provides specific examples of the papal misdeeds that do justify this resistance on the part of subjects: “promoting the wicked, oppressing the good, behaving as a tyrant, encouraging vices, blasphemies, avarices, etc.” (356),  “if he oppresses the Church, if he slays souls [by bad example]” (357), “dissipating [the Church’s] goods” (359), “if he manifestly acts against the common good of charity towards the Church Militant” (360), tyranny, oppression, unjust aggression (411), “publicly destroying the Church,” selling ecclesiastical benefices, and bartering offices (412).

          All these involve evil commands (praecepta) — but evil commands are not the same as evil laws (leges). A command is particular and transitory; law is general and is stable. (For an explanation, see R. Naz, “Précepte,” Dictionnaire de Droit Canonique, [Paris: Letouzey 1935-65] 7:116–17.)

          Bellarmine and Cajetan’s argument justifies only resisting a pope’s evil commands (to sell the pastorate of a parish to the highest bidder, say). It does not support the notion that a pope, while still retaining authority from Jesus Christ, can (for example) impose a sacrilegious, protestantized Mass on the whole Church, whose members can then “resist” him, while continuing to recognize him as a true pope.

     

    2. Anti-Gallicanism. Traditionalist writers have further distorted the passage because they quote it out of context.

          It appears in Bellarmine’s discussion of an issue completely unrelated to any faced by present-day traditionalists: the Protestant and Gallican arguments that the Church or the pope should be subject to a king or a general council. The passage comprises merely one sentence in a chapter that covers two-and-a half, two-column quarto pages of fine print devoted to this topic. (See De Controversiis [Naples: Giuliano 1854] 1:413-18).

          Specifically the passage is taken from Bellarmine’s reply to the following argument:

          “Argument 7. Any person is permitted to kill the pope if he is unjustly at­tacked by him. Therefore, even more so is it permitted for kings or a council to depose the pope if he disturbs the state, or if he tries to kill souls by his bad example.” (op. cit. 1:417)

          This was the position of the Gallicans, who placed the authority of a general council above that of a pope.

          It is absurd to claim that one sentence in Bellarmine’s reply to this argument somehow justifies across-the-board “resistance” to the post-Vatican II errors.

          The absurdity becomes all the more evident when you notice that immediately after this one sentence Bellarmine cites Cajetan’s De Comparatione — all 184 octavo pages of which were written to refute the errors of Gallicanism and Conciliarism.

     

    3. Not Individual “Resistance.” In context, furthermore, the quote from Bellarmine does not justify “resistance” to popes by individuals — as some traditionalists seem to think — but resistance by kings or general councils

          The Gallican position that Bellarmine refuted maintained that it is permitted “for kings or a council” (licebit regibus vel concilio) to depose a pope. Nothing about individual priests or laymen there.

          Once again this meaning is clear from Cajetan’s chapter 27. “Secular princes and the prelates of the Church [principes mundi et praelati Ecclesiae],” he says,  have many ways available for arranging “resistance or an obstruction to an abuse of power [resistentiam, impedimentumque abusus potestatis].” (412).

          It is therefore impossible to maintain that Bellarmine and Cajetan were addressing the issue of an individual Catholic resisting the pope.

     

    4. Bellarmine and a Heretical Pope. And finally, in the chapter that follows the famous quote (30), Bellarmine explicitly treats the question: “Whether a heretical pope can be deposed.” (An papa haereticus deponi possit.)

          Bellarmine refutes answers given by various theologians, including Cajetan, who maintained that a heretical pope would need to be deposed. He bases his own answer on the following principle:

          “Heretics are outside the Church even before their excommunication, and, deprived of all jurisdiction, are condemned by their own judgment, as St. Paul teaches in Titus 3.” (op.cit. 1:419)

          The saint concludes:

          “The fifth opinion therefore is the true one. A pope who is a manifest heretic automatically (per se) ceases to be pope and head, just as he ceases automat­i­cally to be a Christian and a member of the Church. Wherefore, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the teaching of all the ancient Fa­thers who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction.”

          Bellarmine’s writings, then, support rather than refute the principle behind the sedevacantist position: a heretical pope is self-deposing.

    * * * * *

    To sum up: The notion that the famous Bellarmine passage justifies “resistance” to a true pope and simultaneously “refutes sedevacantism” is based on ignorance of both the meaning of the text and its context. It is time for traditionalists to stop promoting such foolish myths.

          A true pope does not teach doctrinal error for decades or promulgate a sacrilegious Mass — there is no need to resist him.

    (St. Gertrude the Great Newsletter, October 2004)
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    The Bellarmine Resistance Quote: Another Traditionalist Myth
    « Reply #1 on: August 18, 2015, 07:34:08 AM »
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  • This is a criticism of R&R with which I agree.

    I've long objected also to the "Faith is greater than obedience." maxim being applied to justify R&R.

    When it comes to the MAGISTERIUM, we are not talking about simple obedience to positive commands.


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    The Bellarmine Resistance Quote: Another Traditionalist Myth
    « Reply #2 on: August 18, 2015, 01:03:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    This is a criticism of R&R with which I agree.

    I've long objected also to the "Faith is greater than obedience." maxim being applied to justify R&R.

    When it comes to the MAGISTERIUM, we are not talking about simple obedience to positive commands.


    I agree. You cannot say that you accept the authority of the Pope and then believe that you can pick and choose what you will submit to or what you will question. It is schismatic to do so.

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    The Bellarmine Resistance Quote: Another Traditionalist Myth
    « Reply #3 on: August 18, 2015, 02:09:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: J.Paul
    Quote from: Ladislaus
    This is a criticism of R&R with which I agree.

    I've long objected also to the "Faith is greater than obedience." maxim being applied to justify R&R.

    When it comes to the MAGISTERIUM, we are not talking about simple obedience to positive commands.


    I agree. You cannot say that you accept the authority of the Pope and then believe that you can pick and choose what you will submit to or what you will question. It is schismatic to do so.



    What about saying "whether the pope is the pope or not, I submit to everything  that does not offend God."

    Is that still R&R?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    The Bellarmine Resistance Quote: Another Traditionalist Myth
    « Reply #4 on: August 19, 2015, 05:14:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stubborn
    Quote from: J.Paul
    Quote from: Ladislaus
    This is a criticism of R&R with which I agree.

    I've long objected also to the "Faith is greater than obedience." maxim being applied to justify R&R.

    When it comes to the MAGISTERIUM, we are not talking about simple obedience to positive commands.


    I agree. You cannot say that you accept the authority of the Pope and then believe that you can pick and choose what you will submit to or what you will question. It is schismatic to do so.



    What about saying "whether the pope is the pope or not, I submit to everything  that does not offend God."

    Is that still R&R?


    A more precise way to put the question is this:  Does Jorge Bergoglio have a valid claim to the papacy?  Yes or no?

    The traditional Catholic teaching is that public heretics don't have a valid claim on any ecclesiastical offices.  Period.

    There is some question about who has the authority to determine who is and isn't a public heretic especially in regard to the claimant to the papacy.  Regardless of that question, we are all certainly allowed to make a personal judgement about whether or not an individual's doctrine is heretical.  And I note that all traditionalists reject Bergoglio's doctrine.


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    The Bellarmine Resistance Quote: Another Traditionalist Myth
    « Reply #5 on: August 20, 2015, 06:15:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Clemens Maria
    Quote from: Stubborn
    Quote from: J.Paul
    Quote from: Ladislaus
    This is a criticism of R&R with which I agree.

    I've long objected also to the "Faith is greater than obedience." maxim being applied to justify R&R.

    When it comes to the MAGISTERIUM, we are not talking about simple obedience to positive commands.


    I agree. You cannot say that you accept the authority of the Pope and then believe that you can pick and choose what you will submit to or what you will question. It is schismatic to do so.



    What about saying "whether the pope is the pope or not, I submit to everything  that does not offend God."

    Is that still R&R?


    A more precise way to put the question is this:  Does Jorge Bergoglio have a valid claim to the papacy?  Yes or no?

    The traditional Catholic teaching is that public heretics don't have a valid claim on any ecclesiastical offices.  Period.

    There is some question about who has the authority to determine who is and isn't a public heretic especially in regard to the claimant to the papacy.  Regardless of that question, we are all certainly allowed to make a personal judgement about whether or not an individual's doctrine is heretical.  And I note that all traditionalists reject Bergoglio's doctrine.


    Yes, those of us who know the conciliar popes have corrupted themselves, also know that we cannot obey a corrupt pope when he promulgates laws and etc. that are anti-Catholic and lead to sin and the loss of faith. This fact always remains at the forefront and always applies whether the pope is pope or not.

    I maintain that God gives everyone of us the graces to persevere and grow in the faith, regardless of the crisis and regardless whether the pope is pope or not. Granted, it may seem like it would be easier to keep the faith if there was no V2, no crisis and no such thing as a conciliar pope or Church, but that whole line of thinking is foolish.  

    "If the pope was the pope we would not be in this mess", but whether the pope is the pope or not, we are in this mess because God knows what is best for us. It is for the sake of His elect that He allowed this crisis and this confusion - whether the pope is pope or not, He expects us to use this crisis He gave us for our salvation so that it's purpose is not in vain.

    He gave a now corrupt and faithless world, corrupt and faithless popes - we do not expect sound doctrines from corrupt popes, we expect corrupt doctrines from corrupt popes and are not permitted to obey or accept corrupt doctrines - whether he is pope or not, that fact remains and that is what is important for our salvation.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse