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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Attack on Ultramontanism
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2021, 10:12:02 AM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 04, 2021, 09:37:28 AM
:laugh2:
Your grasp of what SVs actually think -- versus what the anti-SV propaganda says and which people like you, Matto, et alii just mindlessly parrot -- is as tenuous as your grasp of reality.
One thing is for sure, you can talk the true religion all day long with sedes and agree on everything, but once "popes" enter into the subject, it's like trying to converse within the Tower of Babble.
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Re: The Attack on Ultramontanism
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2021, 10:15:20 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 04, 2021, 10:08:14 AM
It has far more to do with a Pope merely contradicting himself and everything to do with the indefectibility of the Church preventing grave error and heresy being taught to the faithful.
Do you agree that the Church and Christ are one? That the Church is Christ?

If so, what's the point of being even the least bit concerned about the Church's indefectibility?
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Re: The Attack on Ultramontanism
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2021, 10:16:58 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 04, 2021, 10:15:20 AM
Do you agree that the Church and Christ are one? That the Church is Christ?

If so, what's the point of being even the least bit concerned about the Church's indefectibility?
Because her indefectibility is explicitly tied into the universal ordinary magisterium and the papacy? 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Attack on Ultramontanism
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2021, 10:20:14 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 04, 2021, 10:16:58 AM
Because her indefectibility is explicitly tied into the universal ordinary magisterium and the papacy?
And Christ, what about Christ?
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Re: The Attack on Ultramontanism
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2021, 10:27:37 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 04, 2021, 10:20:14 AM
And Christ, what about Christ?
He promised that the faith would not fail Peter, and that whatsoever he bound on earth would be bound in heaven.

The mere fact that heresy and error came forth through the post-conciliar Magisterium and these "Popes" is an indication that the Holy Spirit is not with them, that faith has in fact failed the successors of Peter, and that Christ is fine with contradictions being bound by this authority. All of which go against the indefectibility of the Church, therefore showing that either the Catholic Church is not the true Church of Christ or that the hierarchy is false.

The mere existence of a traditional movement is an indicator of this fact.
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