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Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #85 on: August 05, 2021, 11:46:14 AM »
I don't see that there's much of a difference between the two issues that you describe above.

Please clarify in more detail.

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Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2021, 12:13:05 PM »
You asked someone else a similar question first, you mean.

It’s not a difficult question at all. It is not essential for salvation to believe that Jorge Bergoglio is an anti-Pope, but it is essential for salvation that one reject his false teachings and that of his conciliar predecessors and by extension their prelates which is much easier, and in line with Traditional Catholic thought, if you believe they are anti-Popes and phony ecclesiastics.

What you seem to be saying is that we can either believe that Bergolio is an anti-Pope (and therefore can safely reject all of his false teachings and that of all of his conciliar predecessors and prelates, which is easier as a sedevacantist), and this is not essential for salvation....or, we can and must for the sake of salvation reject all of Bergolio's false teachings and that of his conciliar predecessors and prelates.

I don't see that there's much of a difference between the two stances above, except that one is necessary for salvation, and one isn't.


Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #87 on: August 05, 2021, 12:21:32 PM »
What you seem to be saying is that we can either believe that Bergolio is an anti-Pope (and therefore can safely reject all of his false teachings and that of all of his conciliar predecessors and prelates, which is easier as a sedevacantist), and this is not essential for salvation....or, we can and must for the sake of salvation reject all of Bergolio's false teachings and that of his conciliar predecessors and prelates.

I don't see that there's much of a difference between the two stances above, except that one is necessary for salvation, and one isn't.

Being Sedevacantist is not essential for salvation.

Rejecting false conciliar and post-conciliar teachings, doctrines, disciplines, and liturgy is essential for salvation.

You can reject these teachings as an R&R Catholic too which is what many do and did (+Lefebvre, +Williamson, Fr. Wathen, et al).

Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #88 on: August 05, 2021, 12:27:06 PM »
Being Sedevacantist is not essential for salvation.
Exactly. It is a theological position on this crisis and a statement of fact during any papal interregnum. One could be a member of any of the many false religions and be a sedevacantist, as all it is is a recognition that the See of Peter is vacant.