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The most ancient interpreters taught that the woman of chapter XII was the Church, not the Holy Mother of God. But it is essentially the same thing, since the Blessed Virgin is the Mother of the Church. Thus, this debate is pointless, analytical.

You keep saying this:  "...since the Blessed Virgin is the Mother of the Church."  

Where do you get that, by the way?

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Can you pronounce his name or do you prefer to play your silly games?

http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/apost_exhortations/docuмents/hf_p-vi_exh_19670513_signum-magnum.html

I don't support Vatican II. I have already explained the attitude of Paul VI regarding Vatican II.

Here is the prophecy which condemns all your false positions pertaining to the Church crisis:

The Prophecy of the Popes
 
The Prophecy of the Popes was published by Arnold Wion in 1595, in his Lignum Vitae. The docuмent is a list of Latin phrases or “mottos”, describing all popes of the Church history from Celestine II to the last pope to come, Petrus Romanus. Arnold Wion attributed this prophecy to St. Malachy. Father Ménestrier and several other writers attempted to refute this claim, arguing that the text was published only in 1595, in other words several centuries after the days of St. Malachy and that of the first popes mentioned in the list. But it would not be the first time that a literary work is recovered and published after a so long period of “inexistence”: for instance, the first known mention of the Codex Vaticanus is from the 15th century, whereas this old manuscipt of the Bible dates back to the 4th century! In 1901, Abbot Maître published a book where he well answered such kind of arguments. In the same way, it is utterly false to claim that the Latin phrases prior to 1595 are clearer and more relevant that the later mottos.
 
Before I read the book of Abbot Maître, La prophétie des papes attribuée à St. Malachy, I did not believe in this prophecy, I saw it as fanciful and I thought that it was not authentic. But Abbot Maître, who was a doctor of theology and philosophy, wrote a very good analysis which strongly supports the authenticity of this docuмent. However, the problem we are currently facing is that the Catholics do not understand the true meaning of the last mottos of this prophecy. Since the phrases predict both the situation of all popes (or antipopes) and that of the Church, the primary reason why the Catholics do not understand the last mottos is that the great majority of them do not understand the Church crisis.
 
The motto of Pope Paul VI is Flos Florum, because he is the “Flower of Flowers”, the Pope of popes (namely the best pope in history). He is none other than the Martyr-Pope of the end times. The authenticity of the prophecy of St. Malachy was confirmed by the Swiss exorcisms, and the demons were compelled by heaven to mention “the half moon”, which is the next motto after that of Paul VI. They explained that John Paul I and John Paul II were two half moons, because they had double-barrelled names. There is not a single pope or antipope in the whole history of the Church who chose a double-barrelled name, because they would have had the feeling that they were “half popes.” In 1999, Éric Faure explained in “Le Pape Martyr de la fin des temps” that Jason and Menelas, who usurped the high priesthood in the Old Covenant, bore Greek names in order to please their invaders, which contradicted the tradition of the Jews, since no high priest had ever chosen a foreign name. The current crisis of the Church is very similar to the maccabean crisis in many regards, but I have not the time to translate the work of Éric Faure. The Schism House has recently published some articles in which they try to make a parallel between the maccabean crisis and our current situation, but their comparison is not fully relevant, since they ignore the fact that there was a true pontiff in exile (Onias III) at the time of the maccabean crisis, whereas they claim that there is no pope in the present crisis!
 
During the Swiss exorcisms, the demons were compelled by heaven to declare that Wojtyla, “just like Luciani, received his light from the other pope [the true one], Paul VI, who is still living.” What is the meaning of such words? Abbot Maître, in his book, explained that the moon represented antipopes in the prophecy of St. Malachy: this is the case of Benedict XIII (1329-1423), whose motto is “Cosmedine moon” (he was the Cardinal-deacon of St. Mary in Cosmedin); but this is also the case of the antipope Felix V, who is described by the motto of Nicholas V (“the small moon”), because he put an end to his schism and submitted to Pope Nicholas. On the contary, the sun symbolizes the true Pope, whose light comes from Jesus Christ. In chapter XII of the Apocalypse, the woman is “clothed with the sun”, and has “the moon beneath her feet”. Antipopes do not emit their own light: their light is mere appearance, and they steal the true light ot the legitimate popes. For this reason, they are like the moon, which light comes from the sun. More interestingly, one should know that Wojtyla was created a Cardinal by Pope Paul VI in 19671, and Luciani in 1973. At the latter date, Paul VI was still not definitely replaced with a double: the definitive substitution occurred only in 1975. From 1972 to 1975, most of the time it was the true Pope who appeared in public, not the double; but in the course of 1975, the situation was reversed. Therefore, Luciani and Wojtyla were both created Cardinals by the true Pope. On the contrary, Raztinger was created a Cardinal by the double on June 27th 1977, and Bergoglio by Wojtyla (antipope John Paul II) on February 21st 2001: it means that they are not even valid Cardinals. That's one more reason why Luciani and Wojtyla share the “half moon” motto, whereas Ratzinger and Bergoglio share the next motto.
 
Moreover, Luciani and Wojtyla were elected while Pope Paul VI was still residing in the Vatican, as a prisoner, before he escaped from the Vatican on July 12th 1981. The “eclipse of the sun”, which is the next motto after them, had still not occurred: the Holy Father was to go into exile three years after their elections. But the prophecy is even more precise! There are two “half moons” in one single motto, two antipopes, because the exile of Pope Paul VI was to occur during the pontificate of Karol Wojtyla: one half moon plus one half moon makes a full moon, the moon of the next motto, which eclipses the sun! Then, why do Ratzinger and Bergoglio share the same motto, “the eclipse of the sun”? Because they were elected while the Holy Father was already in exile, and it is under their reign that he will reappear. But there is even one more reason, which proves that the prophecy of St. Malachy is truly and indisputably divine: the motto does not only describe the situation of Paul VI regarding the antipopes, it describes the situation of Bergoglio regarding Raztinger. On September 25th 2005, the French news “France 2” revealed that Bergoglio had got one third of the votes during the conclave of April, which prevented the election of Ratzinger at the beginning; but Bergoglio had then failed to be elected. This information came from a Cardinal who had broken the secret of the conclave. Thus, we can see that Bergoglio was eclipsed by Ratzinger during the conclave of 2005 (and the sun is in his coat of arms!), and he reappeared in 2013 just like the sun which reappears after its eclipse by the moon. In the same way, Pope Paul VI, who was eclipsed in 1981 (when he fled into exile) is to reappear in the coming years. Therefore, the motto describes both the situation of Ratzinger and Bergoglio, and that of the Church, whose chief is Pope Paul VI.
 
Most of the time, the mottos of the prophecy describe either the situation of the pope or antipope who is concerned, or the situation of the Church (and sometimes both). Thus, my analysis is in accordance with the common interpretation. The fact that four antipopes are grouped in two mottos is not a problem, for two reasons: firstly it is justified by the unprecedented situation we are facing, secondly the prophecy of St. Malachy has sometimes been hard to interpret, notably during the Great Eastern Schism (the true popes were not mentioned first!). In the prophecy, the antipopes are not described in the same way as the true popes: for instance, it seems that there is never a name of saint in the antipopes' mottos (otherwise, it would be desecrated in some way). But it is also interesting to note that during the Great Eastern Schism, the mottos of the antipopes only describe their situation as Cardinals, in order to show that they are not legitimate popes: Benedict XIII was Cardinal Deacon of St. Mary in Cosmedin (“The moon of Cosmedin”), Clement VII was Cardinal Priest of the Holy Apostles in Rome (“From the apostolic cross”); Alexander V was Archbishop of Milan (a “papabile” title), whose arms were a sun with wavy rays (“Whip of the sun”); and John XIII was Cardinal Deacon of St. Eustace of Rome, and came from Naples, which has the emblem of the siren (St. Eustace is often depicted with a stag): his motto is “Stag of the siren”. Therefore, my interpretation of the “half moon” motto is in accordance with the interpretation of the ancient mottos: the half moon symbolizes the situation of Cardinals Luciani and Wojtyla, who received their light from Pope Paul VI since they were named by him.

I am speaking about an EXPIATORY POSSESSION, and about an exorcism performed by traditionalist priests, which is not the same thing as the so-called exorcisms of Fr. Amorth, who is a modernist. Fr. Waltz, who was the exorcist of the SSPX in France, also heard the demons declare that Paul VI was still alive.

You don't know the distinction between a common possession and an expiatory possession, such as that of Anneliese Michel.

Moreover, the prophecy of St. Malachy speaks for itself. All the attemps to interpret it are ridiculous; only my own solution is logical and relevant. It is the same for the chapters 12 to 18 of the Apocalypse.