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« on: October 28, 2013, 01:15:23 PM »
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    I am opening this thread by request from StCeciliasGirl, who
    asked me to start a thread about the Antichrist.  I looked
    around and didn't see one already open so maybe this will
    be okay for this purpose.  

    There are a lot of books written on this topic, and the Church
    has spent no small amount of time, trouble and effort delving
    into Apostolic Tradition to discern what has been revealed and
    what has been corrupted and what we can know and what we
    ought to be looking at askance.  

    Off the top of my head, we are given that there are many
    mini-antichrists throughout the age of Faith, that is since the
    time of the Apostles, any year of which is referred to as the
    Year of Our Lord (Anno Domini).  

    But it is generally agreed among theologians of long standing
    that there will one day (and perhaps the day has already
    arrived!) be one man, one human being, who is THE
    ANTICHRIST, whom the Apostles referred to as "the man of
    sin" and "the man of perdition."  He will be (or is!) a natural
    man, born of a woman, but will personally embody a kind of
    synthesis of all mini-antichrists, a most complete amalgamation
    of all those who throughout history have been possessed by
    the devil.  Look up "demonic possession" elsewhere, and
    "exorcism."  

    The Antichrist will be (or is!) as totally possessed by the devil
    as is ever possible in this world.  You could say that he will be
    (or is!) the 'highest achievement' of satan in our world.  He
    will be (or is!) the closest thing satan can muster to imitate
    the Incarnation of Our Lord.  Note:  the devil does not create
    anything, the devil does not invent anything new, the devil
    does not act in an original way whatsoever.  The devil can
    only copy or imitate the works of God.  

    So The Antichrist will not be the devil incarnate.  God would not
    allow such a thing to happen, say the credible theologians.  You
    might find some loopy whacko who says otherwise.  But the
    devil really, really, really WANTS to become incarnate as a man,
    so as to appear to be the second coming of Christ and to fool
    everyone (cf. Matt. xxiv. 24).  The devil is all about deception.  

    And so, The Antichrist will be (or is!) all about deception, and to
    some, perhaps, he will appear to be the incarnation of the devil,
    but that will be (or is!) his 'greatest trick' next to his appearing
    as the second coming of Christ.  To different viewers, a different
    message ~ XSPXSGBF being an exemplary case in point.


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    ...Emphasis on the word, "early."

    In fact, we begin to realize that, as Msgr. points out (and this is hard
    for us to grasp) it was already well under way in 1907.  That is, it
    was well under way 100 years ago.  Note: there is no one alive
    today who was active in these matters at that time, that is, unless
    the Antichrist is with us, as Pope Pius X feared that he was in those
    days.  Because it is possible that the Antichrist will not be (or is not!)
    subject to aging as the rest of us are.  Recall that before the Great
    Flood of Noah, men lived to be much older than they did later on,
    and so we could be in the first stages now of the age when the
    Antichrist is among us, but not having made himself known yet, is
    still in the background, doing his dirty work, building his empire.


    Etc....


    I'm getting off topic, sorry.


    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
    You're suggesting the current Bishops from [where?] might get on and do the Consecration?

    I think people get pulled into that 3rd Category ("too late") because of fatima.org, because fatima.org puts a lot of emphasis on Modernists doing anything right, which obviously isn't going to happen.

    Is that what you're suggesting then? That the "late" but not "too late" way would be the few existing non-Modernist Bishops consecrating Russia?



    I guess you're asking me if the few existing non-Modernists bishops
    might be the ones that join with the Pope to do the Collegial
    Consecration.

    I'm not presuming to judge whether certain bishops would join or
    not. Many things could happen to make Modernist bishops cooperate
    in the Consecration.  Did Our Lady say that only non-Modernists'
    consecrations would be acceptable?  

    We are in the habit, thanks mostly to sedevacantists like Ambrose,
    of pigeon-holing concepts and placing false adulation on the memory
    of certain people, when the opposite is obviously more reasonable.  
    Our Lady said the Consecration would be late.  So far, she's entirely
    correct on that.  How much later could it be?  You know, if you had
    asked me that in 1985, I would have said, "Oh, maybe 10 or 15  
    years." And I would have been wrong, because it's already been 28
    years since then.  



    Here is the first request to open a new thread but I misunderstood
    it.  I thought she was saying there already is a 'new thread',
    "...even if it's in a new thread (link it though), though this thread..."  

    Though which thread?  The new one or the one where those words
    are being written, or...  I could not tell.


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    Also, I'm interested in what you said about the Anti-Christ possibly existing 100+ years ago, even if it's in a new thread (link it though), though this thread would be fine as far as I'm concerned.


    I'm not aware of any other new thread about this.
    Maybe there's one in the cave or the alley or the bunker.

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    I can sure think of someone who spawned


    Spawned like trout?  Or some other kind of fish?  A bivalve
    mollusk, or perhaps a starfish?  

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    around that time, and looked the same in all his pictures (notably, not many pictures, though he was a big player throughout Pope Pius XII's papacy and until his undignified "death" in the 80s). Although he'd be too obvious.



    Excuse me for asking but are you talking about a specific real
    person or are you saying you might be able to imagine one?


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    Is Fr. Kramer's talk on Youtube or Vimeo?



    If anyone knows where to find a recording of Fr. Kramer's talk
    I would really appreciate a link to the site that has it!  


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    I'm not sure which one you're referring to, though someone just linked last week and it has Fr. Kramer in it. (It's from this year, though, I believe).



    You should look for "Niagara Falls" or "Path to Peace Conference"
    and "September 8-13, 2013."  Fr. Kramer has been at a lot of
    previous conferences over the years.

    The Fatima website has this talk by Fr. Kramer scheduled to have
    been on Wednesday, Sept. 11th (the anniversary of 9-11 BTW),
    at 11:00 AM, The Consecration of Russia Key to World Peace.  

    I also see that Chris Ferrara was on the roundtable discussions
    that took place after both Fr. Kramer's talk and Msgr. Perez' talk.



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    Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
    You're suggesting the current Bishops from [where?] might get on and do the Consecration?

    I think people get pulled into that 3rd Category ("too late") because of fatima.org, because fatima.org puts a lot of emphasis on Modernists doing anything right, which obviously isn't going to happen.

    Is that what you're suggesting then? That the "late" but not "too late" way would be the few existing non-Modernist Bishops consecrating Russia?


    I guess you're asking me if the few existing non-Modernists bishops
    might be the ones that join with the Pope to do the Collegial
    Consecration.


    No, I was asking if there was an idea in the works for various non-Vatican Bishops, Patriarchs, or even priests to accomplish the consecration. It's an idea I hadn't considered before.

    I know at least one here, roscoe, thinks that Pope Pius XII's consecration was good enough. And many Modernists seem to think the various attempts since to consecrate the WORLD to the Immaculate Heart did the trick.




    There isn't much point in delving into nonsense.  Our Lady said
    that the Consecration would be done, but it would be late.  We are
    still learning what she meant by that one word, "late."  It has been
    "late" by any reasonable guess for the past 60 years!  

    And she said that when the Consecration is done, Russia will be
    converted and there will be a period of peace.  

    Has Russia converted?  Has there been a period of peace?  

    Answers to those questions could go on for pages and pages.  Or,
    they could be one word: NO.


    Let your yes be yes and your no be no.   Well, my no is "NO."


    There has been no conversion of Russia and there has been no
    period of peace.  So that leaves us with two options, either the
    consecration has not been done and Our Lady tells the truth, or
    the consecration has been done and Our Lady is a liar.  

    I'll take the first option, thank you very much.  Enough said.  



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    And as you noted,  many think it's too late, yet still continue to pray it happens, though it seems impossible since current bishops get along almost as well as the U.S. Congress. Short of contrary bishops falling over dead (which is NOT an impossibility, of course), or a general calamity that would light a fire under the Vatican (also not an impossibility), it is hard to imagine a consecration happening anytime soon.



    We're not saying that the Pope needs to ask the permission of
    the bishops of the world for this.  All the Pope has to do is inform
    them of their choice:  A)  you can choose to participate in this
    required collegial act with me and thereby remain a bishop or,  
    B)  you can choose to not do as I command you to do and you
    would thereby cease to be a bishop of your diocese, that is, you
    will be no longer a bishop with any jurisdiction whatsoever, and
    you will be replaced in short order.

    But this has nothing to do with whether each one of the bishops
    in question is or is not Modernist.  That's a different topic.


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    I'm not presuming to judge whether certain bishops would join or
    not. Many things could happen to make Modernist bishops cooperate
    in the Consecration.  Did Our Lady say that only non-Modernists'
    consecrations would be acceptable?


    Well, of course I couldn't imagine Our Lady wanting a non-Catholic consecration, or one done by Arians, or Modernists.



    During the Arian heresy, the bishops who were Arian did not
    therefore cease to confect valid sacraments.  Their consecrations
    were not invalidated by their heresy.   A priest in mortal sin can
    say a valid Mass, and a bishop who is Modernist can validly
    consecrate other bishops and ordain priests, and consecrate
    a new cathedral or consecrate Russia to the IHM.



    Here is an important point.  

    It is an error of sedevacantists that when someone has Modernist
    tendencies one is therefore not Catholic.  When Pope St. Pius X
    defined Modernism, he did not say there is a point that is easily
    ascertained at which anyone can be known to be a "flaming heretic"
    by way of Modernism and thereby ceases to be Catholic.  His
    landmark encyclical, Pascendi, goes on for 60 or more pages,
    depending on your edition and font size, and so he had plenty of
    space to say that.  But he did not say that.  Sedevacantists say
    that.  Don't be confused..  And I suspect that's why sedes don't  
    want to study and know about Modernism because it's too
    inconvenient for their agenda.  The more someone knows about
    what Modernism is, the more obviously deviant the sedevacantist
    position is exposed to be.  It is shown up to be a lack of knowledge,
    and at some point becomes clearly a willful choice not to know.  A
    kind of ignorance that cannot be overcome, due to the hardness of
    the will, or, invincibleness, in a word;  but nonetheless culpable.  

    So when you say that you can't "imagine Our Lady wanting a non-
    Catholic consecration," you're missing the topic.  The Collegial
    Consecration of Russia by Modernists would not therefore be a
    consecration by non-Catholics.  Because, as I said before, but
    perhaps you didn't get it, as St. Pius X defined Modernism, it is
    very DANGEROUS because it can be held in the mind of a
    Catholic, while he still remains a Catholic.  


    And sedes just turn inside out and backwards over that because
    they don't want to understand it.  They don't want to.  They just
    do not want to understand it.  


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    Also, I'm interested in what you said about the Anti-Christ possibly existing 100+ years ago, even if it's in a new thread (link it though), though this thread would be fine as far as I'm concerned.


    I'm not aware of any other new thread about this.
    Maybe there's one in the cave or the alley or the bunker.

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    I can sure think of someone who spawned


    Spawned like trout?  Or some other kind of fish?  A bivalve
    mollusk, or perhaps a starfish?

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    around that time, and looked the same in all his pictures (notably, not many pictures, though he was a big player throughout Pope Pius XII's papacy and until his undignified "death" in the 80s). Although he'd be too obvious.


    Excuse me for asking but are you talking about a specific real
    person or are you saying you might be able to imagine one?


    Spawned like Satan: Satan-spawn. I don't imagine Satan being "born" so much as appearing on the scene and just being there. And I could imagine such a beast, more than have a particular person in mind. I think such a "search" would be fruitless because photographic evidence before the modern era (1980s for governments and unis) would be too subjective. Like those "twin Montini" pictures, or the duo Sr. Lucys: things that may have happened (imo DID happen with Sr. Lucy), but old photographs won't prove it sufficiently.

    Primarily, you sort of left off on your thoughts to keep this thread on topic, but I wouldn't mind hearing from where you left off about the Anti-Christ possibly operating as far back as Pope St. Pius X's day. That was new to me.






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    The word "spawn" as a verb, does not mean how a person originates.  
    It has nothing to do with being born or being "beamed down" or
    anything like that.  Here is what dictionary.com has for it:

    spawn
    [spawn] Show IPA
    noun
    1.   Zoology . the mass of eggs deposited by fishes, amphibians, mollusks, crustaceans, etc.
    2.   Mycology . the mycelium of mushrooms, especially of the species grown for the market.
    3.   a swarming brood; numerous progeny.
    4.   ( used with a singular or plural verb ) any person or thing regarded as the offspring of some stock, idea, etc.

    verb (used without object)
    5.   to deposit eggs or sperm directly into the water, as fishes.


    If you're talking about the "spawn of satan," it is used only as a
    noun, def. #4, and would be like "his way of thinking is the spawn
    of satan" or "the unclean spirit of Vatican II is the spawn of satan."

    There is a vast difference between the roots of an idea or a
    manner of thought, and the ancestry or lineage of a person.  

    People do not materialize out of thin air or ex nihilo, out of nothing.



    But this has nothing to do with this thread.


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    People do not materialize out of thin air or ex nihilo, out of nothing.


    Satan is not people. I'm not sure HOW Satan would materialize here. Born through a woman? I can't imagine that but maybe, I guess. Entering through some demonic ceremony into a person? That doesn't sound right, either, but maybe.

    I know The Apocalypse makes it sound like he plopped down to earth after the war in Heaven, then he was sealed away, but at some point he's going to be allowed out of the abyss. Not sure how that would come about. "Born" just doesn't seem right, though.

    I don't want to mess up your consecration thread any further, though, except to say you mentioned it, and I'd not mind you expanding on the thought in a new thread, if you'd like. I'd be interested in what you were going to say.





    And so this ought to be a starting point of this thread:  how does The
    Antichrist come into the world?  

    To answer that question, recall what The Antichrist is:  the devil's
    'highest achievement' in his imitation of the Incarnation of Christ.  

    So, it should not be too far of a stretch to realize that to best imitate
    Our Lord, the devil would have to be somehow in complete control of
    one soul in one person who is a baby born of a woman.  

    How would a baby become possessed by the devil?  

    Infant baptism is a tradition in the Church in part, to prevent that
    from happening, which is why the devil attacks the principle of
    infant baptism.  

    Traditionally, one of the steps in infant baptism is exorcism.  The
    priest uses holy water and blessed salt, and says prayers of
    exorcism, literally, to expel the demon, if present, from the child
    before the baptism takes place.  



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  • Dimonds make a case for JP2 being the Antichrist.

    Paul VI was alive at the time St. Pius X made his famous statement.



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    Is the image of Paul VI's signature upside down for a reason?

    I know people who used to think that Paul VI was the Antichrist,
    but after he died in 1978, and the world didn't suddenly end or
    whatever, they changed their tune.  One guy took another 30
    years before he came up with his revision that says Paul VI was
    the FIRST Antichrist, and JPII was the SECOND Antichrist and  
    then B16 was the THIRD and now Francis is the FOURTH.  And
    JPI doesn't count because they killed him after 33 days since he
    was not an Antichrist.  But he can't manage to say how many
    more there will be or what the total number will come to, even
    though he thinks he's a 'prophet.'    

    If Paul VI was the Antichrist we would have known for sure
    before he died.  And if the opinions of those mentioned above
    are correct, Paul VI didn't live long enough to be The One.



    So where is StCeciliasGirl?  
    She wanted this new thread and now what?  


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  • Again, I perhaps shouldn't answer for StCeciliasGirl as maybe she's still trying to get on this site as there seems to be a few lingering problems getting on here, but
     I don't know what was so confusing to you - again- of what she wrote regarding starting a new thread.  I think it was clear she wanted you to start a NEW thread that you would link to from THAT thread that we were all on.  What was so hard to understand about that?  

    Since you did figure that out, & this is about the Antichrist, do you believe Fr. Perez when he 'proved' by the Bible that Obama is the Antichrist?
    Thanks in advance for your answer.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    Seriously, I wish one could tag someone in a post; I've been busy and didn't know this thread was here. Tagging would be great.

    As I'm now cooking dinner, all I can start with is (1) I've read most of your opening post, and (2)

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    Because, as I said before, but
    perhaps you didn't get it, as St. Pius X defined Modernism, it is
    very DANGEROUS because it can be held in the mind of a
    Catholic, while he still remains a Catholic.


    I spoke only of the invalid priests and prelates who before 1966 excommunicated themselves from the Church with full knowledge by breaking their oath against Modernism. I did not make up the oath; I didn't make them take the oath of course; I wasn't even close to being born yet, in fact, so all that is for God to sort. I really don't care at all about those oathbreaking prelates in Hell.

    The thing about Modernism is, they're the ones who don't care about the consecration — I'd think that might ruffle a feather, but I suppose not. They're "modernists" because they don't really believe in what the Traditional Church, of which Sister Lucy was part, believed. In fact they find our beliefs egregious and not conducive to "doing God's work", which is eradicating hunger.

    #RatatouilleIsOnTheTable Gotta Go, but thanks for starting the thread. I think it could get really interesting.

     :smile:

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  • Meanwhile I await Neil's answer to my question: Do you believe Fr. Perez when he states that Obama is THE ANTICHRIST based on his study of the Bible & Hebrew?
    This is based on a famous recent sermon FROM THE PULPIT by Fr. Perez.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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  • Thorn, I know, I hear that a lot about Obama. But not from Catholics. (I suppose that's why I wanted this thread; we don't seem to talk about that so much.)

    Neil, I have to admit up front, I don't see where Our Lady of Fatima said the consecration of Russia will happen and just be late, end of story. I'm not sure why she would add the other possibility, "If my requests are not granted, Russia will spread her errors..." if the chastisement were an empty threat. Personally, I always read it as she'll get her way regardless of what the Vatican does.

    But my question in your other thread, my request for you to expand on your thoughts on the Anti-Christ, was how a Chastisement and/or the 25 year period of peace might relate to the Anti-Christ. But I'm not even sure that a 25 years of peace would follow a Chastisement (and I can't find it in my bookmarks, if it was ever there). I'd like to know what happens after the 25 yrs of peace following the consecration, or following the Chastisement.

    Something said on the other thread on the topic of Pius XII made me wonder if Pius XII might have been the Pope who suffered greatly, and the Chastisement has happened or is underway (or maybe we're in the aftermath). I realized, I have little idea what that would be like, any post-Chastisement period. (Unless this is it.)

    Do you have a thought on how this Anti-Christ would be operating now, if he's around? I hadn't really heard of Satan being born or transferring into a baby, then mimicking Jesus' life, but that makes sense. Eschatology isn't my forte, so more of that would be good. Or some credible resources. (Internet searches haven't been particularly helpful; I get dispensations and  lots of craziness.)
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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  • Quote from: Thorn
    Meanwhile I await Neil's answer to my question: Do you believe Fr. Perez when he states that Obama is THE ANTICHRIST based on his study of the Bible & Hebrew?
    This is based on a famous recent sermon FROM THE PULPIT by Fr. Perez.


    Father Jenkins seemed to imply this in a sermon in Baltimore some time ago as well.  It made sense to me.

    I think there are various anti-Christs, the anti-Christ might be later.  I really don't know other than a false pope is supposed to be the prophet of the anti-Christ.

    One of those things that we may not know for sure until after we die, so long as we stay on the right path we will look back clearly and see everything for what it was either after some great miracle or in Heaven.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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  • Saint Hippolytus, who is a Father of the Church wrote that the antichrist will come from the tribe of Dan.

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0516.htm

    "14. Thus did the Scriptures preach before-time of this lion and lion's cub. And in like manner also we find it written regarding Antichrist. For Moses speaks thus: "Dan is a lion's cub, and he shall leap from Bashan." Deuteronomy 33:22 But that no one may err by supposing that this is said of the Saviour, let him attend carefully to the matter. "Dan," he says, "is a lion's cub; "and in naming the tribe of Dan, he declared clearly the tribe from which Antichrist is destined to spring. For as Christ springs from the tribe of Judah, so Antichrist is to spring from the tribe of Dan. And that the case stands thus, we see also from the words of Jacob: "Let Dan be a serpent, lying upon the ground, biting the horse's heel." Genesis 49:17 What, then, is meant by the serpent but Antichrist, that deceiver who is mentioned in Genesis, Genesis 3:1 who deceived Eve and supplanted Adam (πτερνιAdam's heel)? But since it is necessary to prove this assertion by sufficient testimony, we shall not shrink from the task.

    15. That it is in reality out of the tribe of Dan, then, that that tyrant and king, that dread judge, that son of the devil, is destined to spring and arise, the prophet testifies when he says, "Dan shall judge his people, as (he is) also one tribe in Israel." Genesis 49:16 But some one may say that this refers to Samson, who sprang from the tribe of Dan, and judged the people twenty years. Well, the prophecy had its partial fulfilment in Samson, but its complete fulfilment is reserved for Antichrist. For Jeremiah also speaks to this effect: "From Dan we are to hear the sound of the swiftness of his horses: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing, of the driving of his horses." Jeremiah 8:16 And another prophet says: "He shall gather together all his strength, from the east even to the west. They whom he calls, and they whom he calls not, shall go with him. He shall make the sea white with the sails of his ships, and the plain black with the shields of his armaments. And whosoever shall oppose him in war shall fall by the sword." That these things, then, are said of no one else but that tyrant, and shameless one, and adversary of God, we shall show in what follows."

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    Thorn, I know, I hear that a lot about Obama. But not from Catholics. (I suppose that's why I wanted this thread; we don't seem to talk about that so much.)



    We don't seem to talk much about what: Obama, or how Catholics don't
    talk much about Obama?


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    Neil, I have to admit up front, I don't see where Our Lady of Fatima said the consecration of Russia will happen and just be late, end of story. I'm not sure why she would add the other possibility, "If my requests are not granted, Russia will spread her errors..." if the chastisement were an empty threat. Personally, I always read it as she'll get her way regardless of what the Vatican does.



    That would be a different topic, really.  There was nothing in Fatima,
    as far as we know (the Third Secret hasn't been revealed yet, etc.) in
    regards to the Antichrist
    , specifically.  Fatima was basically a message
    for the world given to three children.  Talking to those kids about the
    Antichrist would have been beyond their comprehension, since they
    were simple children in a poor village.  Our Lady gave us this great
    blessing and grace of showing us for all time that her words are not so
    difficult to understand that simple children like this would not be able to
    get the point of the whole thing.  Simplicity is the key.


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    But my question in your other thread, my request for you to expand on your thoughts on the Anti-Christ, was how a Chastisement and/or the 25 year period of peace might relate to the Anti-Christ.



    As I have gathered from various sources, the Antichrist is to be one man
    who will live in a time that goes right up to the end of the world.  When he
    is ultimately destroyed by God (the 'breath of St. Michael' is the usual way
    of putting it), that will be the consummation of the world and the Second
    Coming of Christ for all to see worldwide, wherever they are.

    Therefore, this 'period of peace' which many think will be about 25 years,
    would have to be a period that happens BEFORE the demise of the Antichrist.

    So "a Chastisement" could happen first, then the "period of peace," then
    the rest, or, we could have the "period of peace" first, then "a Chastisement,"
    followed by the rest, or, we might have "a Chastisement" before the period
    of peace, then another chastisement, followed by the rest.  I don't suppose
    that's the answer you're looking for, but it's all I can do with the question
    that you asked from how you asked it.  

    In any event, the Antichrist could be alive and well throughout all of this.
    He might be living through the chastisement, the period of peace, another
    chastisement and all the rest, right up to the bitter end.  Since he will be
    a natural man, when he attempts to "rise into heaven" in imitation of Our
    Lord in His Ascension, he would have to be at least 33 years old, because
    if he were younger than that it would be a very poor imitation, I would
    think.  IMHO.


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    But I'm not even sure that a 25 years of peace would follow a Chastisement (and I can't find it in my bookmarks, if it was ever there).



    Why would you look for a chastisement to be found in your bookmarks?


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    I'd like to know what happens after the 25 yrs of peace following the consecration, or following the Chastisement.



    As I have gathered, after the period of peace, the world would once again
    descend into sin, and that's when the Antichrist will try to do his greatest
    work.  That is when some interpretations say will be the "Three Days of
    Darkness" and all that.


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    Something said on the other thread on the topic of Pius XII made me wonder if Pius XII might have been the Pope who suffered greatly,



    It seems you're thinking about Our Lady's words that the pope will have
    much to suffer.   When she said that, it wasn't obvious that she was
    referring to one pope or to two or to more than two.  She may have
    been talking about one pope in particular and several popes in general,
    but for all we know she may easily been talking about each pope
    individually but a different kind of suffering for each one of them.  

    For example, Pius XII had a long and lingering ailment before he finally
    died.  And John XXIII had severe stomach cancer, which is very painful,
    but it did not linger quite so long.  Paul VI seemed to have enormous
    vexations of spirit close to the end, and then died relatively fast.  We
    have not been told the manner of his death, but I wouldn't be surprised
    if it was horrific and therefore not made public.  we were told that in
    the inspection of his casket when it was opened a terrible stench filled
    the entire building.  Then JPI suffered assassination, which is a real
    suffering.  Then JPII suffered from Parkinson's disease, which is yet
    a different kind of suffering but nonetheless real.  


    We have yet to see what kind of suffering B16 or Francis would endure.


    But after all that, there is an entirely higher level, "a different ball
    park"
    as Baseball fans would say, regarding the suffering of the pope.
    We do not know if Our Lady was talking about the temporal suffering
    of the pope, that is, in this life and in this world, or if She was saying
    the suffering of the pope in Purgatory, or if She was talking about the
    suffering of the pope or popes in hell.  

    But She did give us the Fatima Decade Prayer:  "...especially those most
    in need."  Well, who would be more in need than the pope, who has much
    to suffer, because of he to whom much is given, much shall be expected?

    Much shall be expected of he to whom much has been given.  And to
    whom on earth is given more than is given the pope?  Talk about a long
    shot!  What is the chance that any one person will be pope?  It is
    literally one in 8 billion.  Take all the grains of sand on the beach, and
    just one of them is the one that is the prize winner.  Hold that one grain
    of sand in your hand and look at it, and then look at the beach.  

    And then think about the man who is elected pope, and how much he
    has been given, and therefore what is expected of him.  

    And then think of Pope Francis.
    He seems to suffer from lack of faith!!

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    Is that what "having much to suffer" means?


    For according to St. Thomas, there is no greater thing to suffer
    than the loss of faith.



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    and the Chastisement has happened or is underway (or maybe we're in the aftermath). I realized, I have little idea what that would be like, any post-Chastisement period. (Unless this is it.)


    I don't know what you're trying to say or ask there, sorry.

    If "the Chastisement" had already happened, one would think we
    would have known it.  There was enormous suffering and destruction
    in WWI, immediately after which was the childhood of both of my
    parents, but they never would talk much to me about WWI, without
    an extremely deep concern for the sadness and inexpressibility of
    that period of history.  It was always as if the very topic was off
    limits.  And then the Great Depression, when they suffered a lot,
    and they wouldn't talk about that, either, as if they were trying to
    forget all about it.  And Fatima did not identify either of those two
    "chastisements" as being "the Great Chastisement," and then we
    had WWII, and the Korean War, and the Viet Nam War, and so on.

    What would be going on today or in recent years that could be
    called "the Great Chastisement" which would be worse than WWI,
    WWII, the Korean War, etc., up until our day now?


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    Do you have a thought on how this Anti-Christ would be operating now, if he's around?


    The principal objective of the Antichrist is to destroy the Church.

    Therefore, whatever goes on, that contributes to the destruction of
    the Church, is what the Antichrist is trying to accomplish.  


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    I hadn't really heard of Satan being born or transferring into a baby, then mimicking Jesus' life, but that makes sense. Eschatology isn't my forte, so more of that would be good. Or some credible resources. (Internet searches haven't been particularly helpful; I get dispensations and  lots of craziness.)



    I don't suppose that Internet searches are going to be of much help
    for you.  As for "dispensations," I'm not so sure you know what you're
    saying there.  Did one or more priests dispense you from something?  

    Here are some points that may be of help to you:

    First, satan isn't going to become incarnated, nor can he be so.

    This is not to say that he doesn't want to be.  For we can be sure that
    if he could be incarnated then that's exactly what he would do, because
    it would be the best imitation of Christ for him to play around with that.

    We can know that satan cannot be incarnated because God will not
    allow it, and satan cannot do anything that God does not allow him to do.

    Second, satan cannot "transfer into a baby" per se.  This is not so
    easy to describe but I'll try.  It has a lot to do with how the soul and the
    body are connected to each other.  People today are really confused on
    this because of popular 'entertainment' that has taught heresy, really,
    and the Church has not stepped in to oppose it, since before Vat.II.  

    The human soul is absolutely fixed in its ONE-TO-ONE correspondence
    with one particular, specific body.  Long ago, the word "immutable" was
    a popular one, describing a popular concept, and this principle is one
    that modern man has utterly forgotten.  

    The immutable and inexorable relationship of your soul to your body is
    a dogmatic truth that cannot be violated, not in any way.  And the same
    can be said of anyone in history.  If this were not so, then nothing in
    all of history could ever make any sense.  In fact, truth itself would be
    turned on its head and there would be no reality, anywhere.  

    But that would be just peachy for satan.  He would like that a lot.

    Therefore, while satan may WANT to "transfer into a baby," he cannot
    do so, and he's really ticked off about that.  Whatever.

    Thirdly, what about demonic possession?  Why have exorcisms?

    Demonic possession is not "satan transferring into a person's body" or
    into a person.  Demonic possession is like a disease that infects a
    person, but doesn't change that person into a different person.  He may
    not act like himself, but that is because of the demonic influence.  

    Devils really want to have bodies but they can't.  One way of looking at
    it is that they are JEALOUS of man for having a body, which they can't
    have, but at the same time, they are CONTEMPTUOUS of man for
    having this filthy, stinking corpse that he can't get rid of.  

    This can go on and on, as you may well imagine.

    If you try to go reading about this stuff, it's going to be very tedious
    for you, as there is MOSTLY DISinformation out there about it all.


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    This is 2013 and one sermon (actually it was two but who's counting?) by
    Msgr. raises a few eyebrows.  So what else is new?  

    Twenty-seven years ago one Fr. John O'Connor gave a similar talk about
    the Antichrist that raised a few eyebrows at the time.  By today's
    standards, it was a pretty tame presentation.  But it got him in trouble.
    He was a parish priest in Detroit, Michigan in 1986, and if you don't recall,
    that was the year of Assisi I.  After Fr. O'Connor gave this sermon on
    the Antichrist, he was shipped off to a "psychiatric evaluation" by which
    the NovusOrdo regime finds some other reason to accuse their more
    traditional priests of being unfit for the occupation of serving a parish,
    or whatever it is they have in mind from which they'd like to remove him.

    Here is a partial transcript of the talk:



    _____________________________________




    starting at minute 14:00

    Even Christ recognizes satan as the king of evil and infernal cunning.
    ...uses every means and all forms to destroy faith and morality. This
    was spoken 45 years ago, long before abortion, a million and a
    half babies every year in the United States, 55 million abortions
    throughout the world!  This was before drugs became a pandemic
    in the United States, before pornography, before child abuse, before
    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and all those other perversions that are spreading like
    like a melanoma cancer throughout the world.

    Satan, the pontiff warned us, uses all forms to destroy faith and
    morality.  And finally, he concluded, God and the evil one, have
    come to grips in a gigantic duel, a battle, the most ferocious, the
    most bitter the world has ever known, has been joined, and you
    and our fellow Catholics throughout the world are now locked in
    this battle that is the most bitter and the most ferocious the world
    has ever seen.  

    Just about a hundred years ago, the then-reigning pontiff Leo XIII
    was finishing Mass in the morning, and he had a vision, and he saw
    satan standing before Christ enthroned in the tabernacle.  And
    satan was boasting.  He said, "Within a hundred years, I will
    destroy your Church!"  Leo XIII was so shaken, that he fell to his
    knees.  He had to be assisted into the sacristy by his assistants.
    As soon as he was composed, this is when he sat down and
    composed that beautiful prayer to Saint Michael that WE USED TO
    SAY after every Low Mass, to defend the Church, and to defend us,
    in this hour of battle.  What a good thing it would be if each of us
    were to start saying that prayer again, every day.

    [At the time of this speech, in 1986, a number of good priests who
    had been expelled from their orders or from their chancery offices
    (not unlike how XSPXSGBF has been expelling good priests), had
    continued to pray these "Leonine Prayers" -- and this too would
    happen to Fr. O'Connor not long after this speech.]

    Yet, the prophet Dan in the Old Testament, chapter 12 verse 10,
    he warned that when the great Antichrist finally did appear in
    the world scene, the vast majority of mankind would be caught
    totally unaware that his reign was beginning.  Indeed, St. Paul
    tells us in his first letter to the Thessalonians, that the beginning
    of the reign of the Antichrist would actually be hailed by most
    people as the dawn of a new era of peace and security.  

    The main question that I would like to address this afternoon is:

    How can we recognize the Antichrist should he come within the
    lifetime of most of us here, how can we recognize him?

    What are the marks, fortold in the Bible, by which we will know
    he is in fact, THE Antichrist?  And what will his reign over the world
    be like?  

    Both the Old and the New Testament contain many descriptions
    of the Antichrist and his reign, as well as Sacred Tradition, which
    has preserved for us the preaching of the Apostles, as recorded
    by the early Martyrs and Saints of the Church.

    In describing the Antichrist this afternoon and delineating his
    marks, I will be drawing from what is written in Holy Scripture
    and what can be found in the Sacred Tradition of the Church.

    The best overall description of the Antichrist is given by St. Paul,
    in his second letter to the Christians of Thessalonica, in Chapter
    Two.  This is what Paul said:  

    "Now, concerning the coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ and our
    assembling to meet Him, that day will not come until the Apostacy
    comes first."  

    "Apostasy" is a Greek word that means a rebellion
    against Christ, a rejection of Christ, what we might call today
    "the death of God," complete rejection of God, rejection of His
    rights over us, over our government, over our social life.  And we are
    seeing this apostasy not only here in our beloved America, we're
    seeing it as an organized, formal revolt of Marxism, against
    Almighty God and His rights over the world.  And the reason
    these people want to KILL GOD, the reason these people are proclaiming
    the "death of God," is so they can take God's place!  So Paul
    continues:

    "That day will not come until the Apostasy comes first, and the
    man of sin is revealed.  The son of hell (Paul calls him) who will
    exault himself above every so-called god or object of worship,
    so that he takes his seat in the Temple of God, proclaiming
    himself to be God.  Do you not remember (Paul wrote), that when
    I was still with you I told you this, and you know, what is
    restraining him now."

    Paul didn't mention it in his letter, but we know what that obstacle
    is, from Sacred Tradition, about which Paul was speaking, that
    would restrain the reign of the Antichrist.  So Paul says:

    "You know what is restraining him now, so that he may be revealed
    in his own time, for the hidden power of sin is already at work,
    but he who now restrains him can do so only until he is removed,
    and then the lawless one will be revealed.  The coming of this
    lawless one will be by the working of satan, by all power by
    pretended signs and wonders."

    That is why we must be so careful today!  Especially by reported
    apparitions that have not been approved by the Magisterium.  Our
    Lord warned us in Matthew's Gospel that the devil will work such
    great signs and wonders so as to deceive EVEN THE ELECT,
    and lead them astray.  

    "With all power and pretended signs and wonders and with all
    wicked deception of those who are to perish, because they
    refuse to love the truth and be saved.  Therefore, God will send
    upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false,
    so that they may be condemned, who did not believe the truth,
    but took pleasure in sinful living."

    22:50
    The reign of the Antichrist is a punishment from God, upon a
    sinful and rebellious mankind, because mankind did not
    worship his creator, because mankind is not greatful to almighty
    God for all His benefactions, because mankind is refusing to
    SERVE God, his punishment will be, that he must now serve the
    devil!  -and the devil's vicar on earth, the Antichrist himself.

    The restraining obstacle which previously held back the reign
    of the Antichrist, according to Sacred Tradition, was the Gentile
    occupation of Israel and the holy city of Jerusalem.  The
    Antichrist will become the supreme ruler of Israel, the state
    of Israel. This is what that acronym, or that number "666" means,
    that stands for the king, the ruler of the state of Israel.  Well, so
    long as Palestine and the city of Jerusalem were in Gentile
    control, it would be impossible for the Antichrist to be hailed
    as the King of Israel.  Indeed, it is the unanimous teaching of
    Sacred Tradition, the Fathers of the Church, that the Antichrist
    will be accepted as the "long-awaited Messiah" by the Jєωιѕн
    people.  And Our Lord warned them in the Fifth Chapter of
    John's Gospel, I came in my Father's name, and you did not
    receive me.  But another will come in his own name, and him
    you will receive.  

    Yes, because they rejected the true Messiah, they must now
    accept the false messiah, the Antichrist, as their savior.  That
    is why it was impossible for the Antichrist to appear before
    1967, when the Jєωs re-captured the holy city of Jerusalem.
    Indeed, it began in 1946, when they recovered part of the
    Holy Land and set up the new state of Israel, in 1946, and
    that's why a year later in his Easter message, Pope Pius XII
    said that the reign of the Antichrist could begin at any
    moment.

    The Antichrist will suddenly make his appearance, on the
    world scene, emerging out of seeming obscurity.  Once again, satan
    who is the ape of God, will have his Antichrist be the ape
    of the true Christ.  Just as Our Lord had his hidden life for
    30 years in Nazareth, before he began his ministry, so the
    Antichrist will be hidden, and seemingly obscure, the early
    part of his life, and then, like the true Christ, he will suddenly
    appear on the world scene.  

    The Antichrist will be a man of unsurpassed ability.  He will
    emerge as a great world leader -- not by the sword, not by
    military means, but by diplomacy, by the eloqunce of his
    speech.  He will be a man of brilliant intelligence, having
    a solution to every human problem. He will have a
    mesmerizing eloquence that will stir vast crowds of people,
    bring them to their feet cheering, begging him to become
    the ruler of the world.  

    An excellent example was the mini antichrist Adolf Hitler.  Few
    people realize that Adolf Hitler came to power through the
    ballot box.  His nαzι party received the majority vote in a
    parliamentary election.  And therefore Hitler, who was the
    head of the party, was appointed the Chancellor of Germany,
    by President Hindenburg.  Then Hitler proceeded to take over
    Austria, he took over Czechoslovakia, he united Romania and
    Italy in his Axis powers.  

    Why will Antichrist be such a brilliant individual?  Because
    the Bible and the Fathers tell us, he will be totally and perfectly
    possessed by Lucifer himself.  The Antichrist will actually be
    the person of Lucifer:  it will be a KIND of (re-) incarnation on
    his part.  It won't be a TRUE incarnation.  This requires a divine
    power:  only God can become truly incarnate.  But Lucifer will
    so possess the body and soul and faculties of this human
    being, that the human person will be totally suppressed, in a
    state of complete unconsciousness, and it will be Lucifer,
    walking on this earth;  the lips that move will be human, but
    the voice speaking will be that of Lucifer himself.  And he
    will come upon this earth, finally, to reign over men, demanding
    that all bow down and worship him as God.  

    Again, we have an example in Adolf Hitler, who as a young
    man in Vienna, made a pact with the devil, to become the
    master of the world.  Adolf Hitler was possessed.  This is a
    matter of historical record.  This is why an individual of such
    mediocre talents -- he was a paperhanger;  he made his living
    by drawing postcards and selling them to tourists in Vienna,
    and yet he became the master of practically all of Europe, a man
    of mesmerizing eloquence.  He hypnotized vast throngs of
    party members, who after each speech would jump to their feet,
    shouting and yelling, "Heil, Hitler, heil Hitler!"  Well, that was
    the demon who had possessed Hitler, and was ruling Germany.

    Adolf Hitler made his officers in his SS take an oath to Lucifer.  

    You know when our officers liberated Europe and they opened
    up the gates to these extermination camps, they couldn't
    believe it.  They simply could not believe how human beings
    could be so cruel, could commit such atrocities.  Well, they
    weren't human beings!  They were devils, in total possession
    of Hitler and his SS, who were capable of such viciousness
    and brutality.  Well, when the Antichrist comes, he too
    will be possessed by Satan, and so will most of his minions.

    nαzιism was a preview of coming attractions, of what the
    reign of the Antichrist will be like.  

    [Demonic] possession is not at all like that movie, "The
    Antichrist" [Fr. O'Connor means "The Exorcist."]  That was
    hyped-up and glamorized by Hollywood. They wanted to
    make a horror picture, and I'm personally convinced that
    Lucifer is already the chairman of the board in Hollywood!

    He's the one who's calling the shots there today.  And so,
    perhaps he wanted this hyped-up, sensationalized movie,
    to deceive people, about what possession is really like.  
    It's not like that at all ----[recording skips unknown amount
    of time, camera angle changes]. 33:20

    ----Who was also was possessed.  And this priest, in
    following the spirituality of the divine milieu, the
    phenomenon of man, this poor priest got himself possessed,
    under the control of a demon, and was TOTALLY unaware of
    it.  And the irony of the situation was, that the priest who
    was appointed by the bishop to exorcise him was ALSO
    possessed!  And he didn't know it, either!  And he had
    been his professor in the seminary, the exorcist, and who had
    introduced this young priest into Teilhard de Chardin.  
    And through following his spirituality and his ideas (Chardin's)
    even the exorcist discovered that he had fallen under the
    mind control of satan.  

    There are various degrees of possession.  It doesn't take
    place all at once.  It begins with Ouiji board, or Tarot cards
    or fortune tellers, or, it begins with Astrology.  That's when we
    first open the door to satan in our lives.  

    He (satan) avoids this bizarre behavior that we saw in the movie,
    "The Exorcist" [not 'the Antichrist', as Fr. said previously],
    because he doesn't want people to know he's there!  He
    doesn't want even his victim to discover that he is gradually
    taking over his or her life.  He knows that the first thing they'll
    do is go call an exorcist, and that's the last person in the
    world he wants to see!  And there are various degrees of
    possession, until you reach that perfect degree, we saw in
    the instance of Adolf Hitler, where a demon is able to
    imitate perfectly the personality of his human victim, whose
    own consciousness is completely suppressed.  

    And according to Marylin Furgesson in her book on the
    NewAge movement, The Aquarian Conspiracy, and of course,
    according to your own Mrs. Constance Comby here in Detroit,
    there are far more people possessed today than we realize.

    34:50

    All these new methods of meditation, "Eastern spirituality,"
    are really short courses in how to get yourself possessed!  
    Transcendental Meditation, EST - Erhardt Seminar [Sensitivity]
    Training, Silva Mind Control, biofeedback, Yoga, stress-
    management programs techniques, NewAge sprituality, the
    mind sciences, anchor holes, which is being introduced as
    a form of spirituality among Catholics, a course in miracles
    -- all of these, are methods to get one's self under the control
    of a demon.  

    Silva Mind Control -- I can speak from experience.  I started to
    take his program.  I was talked into it by another priest.  They
    don't tell you from the beginning, that eventually they're
    going to have you communicating with higher intelligences
    from 'outer space'.  

    36:00
    This is all part of the Occult:  you're not told in the beginning
    what you're getting into, until finally you reach a point, I'm
    afraid, where it's too late.  Well, one weekend of that, and I got
    as far away from those people as I could get!  

    Fr. Matthew Fox, a Dominican, has established out in California
    his Center for Creation, "Centered Spirituality."  This is simply
    another technique to get one's self possessed.  This is why
    he brings in people like Star Hawk, a registered witch!  -to
    teach in his program.  It's basically a reversion to paganism,
    a nature worship, a worship of creation, and that is the very
    trap into which Teilhard de Chardin himself fell.  

    37:11 [scene from pews and windows]

    According to a recent Gallup poll, at least 10 million
    Americans have dabbled in this Eastern mysticism, and are
    in some degree, in diabolical possession.

    [It seems what Fr. means is that the poll says 10 million have
    dabbled in Eastern mysticism;  and then it is his assessment
    of this poll that therefore those people are in some small
    degree, or perhaps greater degree, in diabolical possession.]

    Well, these are the "shock troops," the advance troops of the
    Antichrist, who will be marshalled under his flag, when he
    unleashes his reign of terror on the earth.  

    The Bible tells us that the Antichrist will have complete
    control of all the real wealth of the earth.  Daniel Chapter
    Twelve tells us that he shall have control of the riches of
    gold and silver.  I'm sure there's some here this afternoon
    who can remember when we had gold and silver coins.  
    That's real money, because it has a real, intrinsic value.  
    I remember when I was a youngster, even a dollar bill;  
    ometimes I would receive one for a birthday, as you can
    imagine, as a youngster, I would examine it very carefully.  
    I would always notice it used to say, "redeemable in silver
    from the United States Treasury."  [Actually it says, "Payable
    to the bearer on demand in silver."]  

    But if you examine a dollar bill lately, you will notice it no
    longer says that.  Instead, it calls it a Federal Reserve Note.
    All real money was taken from us, at least the gold, in 1932
    by Franklin Delano Rosavelt, and our silver was taken from
    us by Nixon in 1971.  And in it's place was issued this
    paper money, which has no intrinsic value [it is actually a
    Non-Negotiable Note of Debt].  As it itself says, it is a Federal
    Reserve Note, and a 'note' is legal jargon for an I.O.U. [I owe
    you].  It's really just a piece of paper.  No, all real wealth
    has been taken from the American people, and concentrated
    in the hands of the minions of the Antichrist.  They say even
    our gold at Fort Knox is no longer there.  It's all been
    assembled in deep vaults in Geneva, Switzerland.

    So just what is this piece of paper worth?  It's not worth
    silver anymore.  It's not worth gold.  Well, it's worth whatever
    the Federal Reserve says it's worth.  By printing more of them,
    as they did during the presidency of Jimmy Carter [and they
    are doing once again under Obama!], they decreased its
    value.  The more dollars there were, the less each was worth.
    Or, they can print less of them, they can constrict the money
    supply.  They can call these in on loans.  And then they can
    cause a Depression.  

    Mr. Alan Greenspan who presently is the chairman of the
    Federal Reserve Board (this is 1987), he wrote an article in
    1958, and he said that the Federal Reserve manipulation of
    the currency in the 1920's is what brought on the stock
    market crash of 1929.  And, Mr. Greenspan says, "caused"
    the American economy to collapse.  All the Fed has to do, is
    to call in its loans (holding up a dollar bill), and limit the
    money supply.  Well, this is when brokers then have to call
    in loans that they've made to their clients.  This is when
    clients have to go out and sell their watches, or cars, or rings,
    or whatever they can, to pay off the brokers. And this causes
    a chain reaction in a nation, and this is what brought about
    the great crash of 1929 and the Great Depression of the
    1930's.  Our lives, our fortunes and our honor today are at the
    mercy of the Federal Reserve Board [which is a private
    corporation, and is not "federal" and has no "reserve"].  

    And I suppose most of you think it's just another government
    agency.  The Federal Reserve system is no more part of
    our federal government than is Federal Express, the overnight
    package delivery people, or the Federal Dry Cleaners.  The
    Federal Reserve system is a private corporation owned by
    private individuals.  It is a secret corporation.  It is so secret,
    it is the only corporation in America that does not have
    to publish the names of its principal stockholders.  Every
    other business corporation in our nation has to have on file
    a list of its principal stockholders that are open to public
    inspection.  The only private corporation that doesn't have to
    do this is the Federal Reserve system, so we don't even know
    who owns it.  It's the most secret, mysterious corporation
    in America.  And it's probably owned by the international
    bankers:  by the Rothchilds and the Warburgs and the other
    international bankers, to whom we American taxpayers
    owe the National Debt!  

    You know, sometimes the press will tell us, "Don't worry
    about the National debt, we owe it to ourselves!"  Well, if
    we owe that national debt to ourselves, why do we have
    to pay $100 billion a year in interest on it?  No, that national
    debt is owned by international bankers.  And this is how
    the Antichrist will gain control of the world.  

    As Myre Anchill (?) the founder of the Rothchild banking
    dynasty said, "I don't care who makes your laws. Just let me
    print your money."  Because he who prints the money controls
    the economy, controls the nation, and even controls the
    Congress that makes the laws.  

    The Federal Reserve system is so secret you cannot even audit
    it.  Now, every corporation in America is open to audit by the
    federal government.  In 1978 a Congressman introduced a
    law in Congress to audit the Federal Reserve -- it's never been
    audited.  And he wanted to find out what they're doing with all
    our money, and why they've imposed this tremendous debt on
    the American people.  By the time that law got through Congress
    and was passed, it said just the opposite:  the Federal Reserve
    may NOT be audited!  That tells you the control that the
    Federal Reserve has over our Congress, that it can take a law
    introduced by a Congressman, and make it come through [saying]
    exactly opposite of what was intended!

    The Federal Reserve is part of that great deception of which
    St. Paul spoke in his letter to the Thessalonians, in other words,
    it's a central bank that controls all the other banks in our
    country.  And did you know that a central bank is the third
    plank of the Communist Manifesto,
    written by Karl Marx in 1848,
    nearly 150 years ago [now it's 165 years ago!]?  If you have
    never read the Communist Manifesto, I urge you to go to a large
    public library and get a copy.  You're in for the shock of your
    life.  

    The first plank of the Communist Manifesto is a Federal
    Income Tax.  Karl Marx was the first to propose a federal
    income tax on all wage earners in a country.  The second
    plank
    is to substitute paper money for real money of gold and
    silver.  Everything that Karl Marx laid down for the economic
    enslavement of a nation is already in place, right here in
    America.  Including women's liberation, the destruction of
    marriage and family life for the sake of so-called 'women's
    liberation' -- even this is spelled out by Karl Marx.  

    So where is the reign of the Antichrist in the world today?  
    Well, it's in Russia!  -where you have the economic
    enslavement of an entire people.  It's in China!  -where these
    people are nothing but slave laborers for the Communist
    Party.  The reign of the Antichrist is in Cambodia!  -where
    3 million Cambodians were slaughtered by their own
    government.  It's in VietNam!  It's in Laos!  It's in Poland!
    Yugoslavia!  Czechoslovakia!  And right here, in the United
    States. We are under the Communist Manifesto already.

    And this is what Daniel warned us about.  He said most
    people would be totally unaware that they were being taken
    over by the Antichrist.  

    When did our beloved America fall under the control of the
    Antichrist?  We know the exact date:  January 23rd, 1973,
    when our Supreme Court enacted the death penalty against 20
    million babies in our contry by abortion [it's now over 60
    million].  This was a sign that we have fallen under the
    control of the Antichrist.  Whenever the devil gets control
    of a nation -- and I don't care where it is -- he demands
    human sacrifice!  That is the price, that those who give
    themselves to the devil must pay!  

    Now, normally in the past, this human sacrifice was paid by
    war, by revolution, by murder, by crime.  Well, the most
    scientific form of human sacrifice today is by abortion,
    where a mother's womb becomes the altar on which a
    human life is sacrificed to Lucifer.  According to Solzenitzin,
    the Communists have already killed 66 million of their
    own people in Russia, either through war, execution, or
    slave labor camps.  That is the price that the Communists
    paid to Lucifer, and to his Antichrist.  

    So where is the reign of the Antichrist today?  Well,
    practically two-thirds of our planet has already been
    subjected to his power and authority, and as far as the
    rest of the world goes, it is just a matter of time.  The
    world bank will see to it, that every other nation is
    brought to its knees, through inflation, through a huge
    national debt, everybody will be enslaved to this world
    bank, whose chief executive is the Antichrist.

    The Bible and Tradition also warn us that the agents of the
    Antichrist will infiltrate the Catholic Church, and will take
    over its visible structures.  I am afraid this is what we are
    seeing today, not only in America but throughout the world.

    The Antichrist will take over our schools and will use them
    to teach Modernism, which is the religion of the Antichrist,
    he will take over our colleges, our once-great Catholic
    colleges, he will infiltrate and take over our chancery
    offices, our parish offices, our United States Catholic
    Conferences and the like.  This is described by St. John
    in the Apocalypse Chapter Twelve:  the woman clothed
    with the sun, and the red dragon -- who drives the Church
    underground, who persecutes the Church!  And  then in the
    folowing Chapter Thirteen, John warns us of this false
    prophet, who will arise.  And all the Fathers of the Church
    tell us the false prophet will be a Catholic Bishop!  -an
    apostate bishop, who will join the Antichrist, and help
    him in his rule over Catholics!  

    This has happened many times in history.  The Jєωιѕн
    church was taken over by satan.  At the time of Christ, he
    had complete control of the Sanhedrin and the Scribes and
    Pharisees. And he used those very leaders of the chosen
    people, who should have LED THEM to Christ, he used those
    leaders to execute their Messiah.  

    A prime example would be in England, under Henry VIII and
    Archbishop Cranmer, where they literally stole the Catholic
    Church away from the See of Peter. If you've ever gone to
    England, I'm sure you've gone to Westminster Cathedral,
    York Cathedral, to those other magnificent churches there,
    they were once all Catholic, as Catholic as this church here!

    [Fr. refers to a NovusOrdo parish church where the Newmass
    only had been celebrated for the past 18 years already!  How
    ironic is THAT?  The abominable Newmass had been imposed
    not from the outside but from the inside of the Church, when
    the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass was STOLEN from the
    faithful who would have kept it.]  

    And they were all STOLEN by Henry VIII and Archbishop
    Cranmer when they broke away, when 95% of Catholics went
    right along with that mini-antichrist!

    [Fr. speaks to an audience probably about 95% of whom had
    then gone "right along" with the Newmass without question,
    and he himself is perhaps 95% committed to it as well -- did
    Fr. John O'Connor ever celebrate the CTLM during the time of
    or after this speech he gave in 1987, which was BTW the
    year before ABL consecrated his 4 bishops?]

    All of the clergy, all of the priests, threw in with that mini-
    antichrist, and every bishop in England, except one, John
    Fisher, who was beheaded, threw in and joined with that
    Antichrist in stealing the Church from the Vicar of Christ.  

    Well, how will his minions take over the Church?  By
    infiltration!  This is their battle cry:  If you can't beat 'em,
    join 'em!  We have been infiltrated by Masons for, well, ever
    since their founding over 200 years ago.  

    53:30

    This is why our once-beautiful liturgy has been so watered-
    down.  Archbishop Bugnini was a Mason.  And I had this on
    the best authority, who had infiltrated the Congregation for
    the Divine Worship, and did everything in his power
    to obscure the Mass as a Sacrifice, and to turn it into
    a Protestant communion service.  

    Now, our Mass, and our new liturgy IS VALID. If said by a
    validly orained priest with the right intention, it's still valid.  

    [This was then, of course, 17 years after the form of ordination
    had been rendered at least questionable.]

    But Bugnini did everything he could to obscure the Mass as
    a sacrifice and present it as simply a meal, a protestant
    communion service.  And just a few months ago, I was
    attending a workshop with Bishop Jerome Asrich (?) of Texas,
    and he got up and he said, and I quote, and he gave me
    permission to quote him, he said the ICEL, the International
    Commission on English in the Liturgy, is trying to protestantize
    our Catholic Mass, unquote.  You know, they've got a new
    sacramentary, a new Missal in the works, and I'm sure that
    when that does appear -- they promise it before the end of
    the century -- they will do away completely with the Mass
    as a sacrifice.  Oh, they'll keep a lot of the vestments and
    a lot of the external accoutrements..

    [Uh, no, they'll start wearing Mexican sarapes and rainbow
    towels and Hindu and Mohammedan prayer shawls and stuff,
    and they'll get rid of the statues and the candles and the
    stained glass windows, all in due time, before you know it.]

    .. They'll try to PRETEND it's still the good-old-Catholic Mass,
    but it will be nothing more than a protestant communion
    service.  And Daniel, the great prophet Daniel in the Old
    Testament warned, the Antichrist will do away with the
    everlasting Sacrifice.  This will be the mark of the Beast by
    which we will recognize him.  He will do away with the
    Mass as a sacrifice of Christ on Calvary and substitute in its
    place a protestant communion service.  

    [Actually, this being only 26 years after his speech, there are
    many protestant groups who use the NovusOrdo liturgy just
    about as Fr. O'Connor was saying it the day he gave this talk.]

    56:00


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    This is 2013, and one sermon (actually it was two, but who's counting?)
    by Msgr. Perez raises a few eyebrows.  So what else is new?  

    Twenty-seven years ago, one Fr. John O'Connor gave a similar talk about
    the Antichrist that raised a few eyebrows at the time.  By today's
    standards, it was a pretty tame presentation.  But it got him in trouble.
    He was a parish priest in Detroit, Michigan in 1986, and if you don't recall,
    that was the year of Assisi I.  After Fr. O'Connor gave this sermon on
    the Antichrist, he was shipped off to a "psychiatric evaluation" by which
    the NovusOrdo regime finds some other reason to accuse their more
    traditional priests of being unfit for the occupation of serving a parish,
    or whatever it is they have in mind from which they'd like to remove him.

    While Fr. O'Connor has it wrong here in a few points (he dares to predict
    what would happen within the following 14 years and those events did
    not in fact take place, such as WWIII), he is nonetheless correct in a lot
    of other things (categorically in all the historical items he mentions).

    And just as today Fr. O'Connor is vindicated in this speech from the
    perspective of Traditional Catholics looking back 26 years, so too will
    Msgr. Perez be vindicated in the future, when we look back at his talk
    on the same topic.  BTW, in the sermon of Msgr. Perez that I heard (this
    thread is about the Antichrist) he did not say that Obama is "the"
    Antichrist but rather that his name curiously fits Scriptural prophesy
    in far more ways than could possibly be by mere chance, and that as
    such, we are ever closer to how the real Antichrist will one day fulfill
    all of the prophesies.  Furthermore, while such fulfillment will be a
    thing that is easy to discern by those with eyes to see and ears to hear,
    nonetheless the vast majority of mankind will be blind and deaf to
    the truth of God, and therefore will not be able to understand that
    they are living through the reign of Antichrist.

    Here is a partial transcript of the talk of Fr. John O'Connor from 1986:



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    starting at minute 14:00

    Even Christ recognizes satan as the king of evil and infernal cunning.
    ...uses every means and all forms to destroy faith and morality. This
    was spoken 45 years ago, long before abortion, a million and a
    half babies every year in the United States, 55 million abortions
    throughout the world!  This was before drugs became a pandemic
    in the United States, before pornography, before child abuse, before
    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and all those other perversions that are spreading like
    like a melanoma cancer throughout the world.

    Satan, the pontiff warned us, uses all forms to destroy faith and
    morality.  And finally, he concluded, God and the evil one, have
    come to grips in a gigantic duel, a battle, the most ferocious, the
    most bitter the world has ever known, has been joined, and you
    and our fellow Catholics throughout the world are now locked in
    this battle that is the most bitter and the most ferocious the world
    has ever seen.  

    Just about a hundred years ago, the then-reigning pontiff Leo XIII
    was finishing Mass in the morning, and he had a vision, and he saw
    satan standing before Christ enthroned in the tabernacle.  And
    satan was boasting.  He said, "Within a hundred years, I will
    destroy your Church!"  Leo XIII was so shaken, that he fell to his
    knees.  He had to be assisted into the sacristy by his assistants.
    As soon as he was composed, this is when he sat down and
    composed that beautiful prayer to Saint Michael that WE USED TO
    SAY after every Low Mass, to defend the Church, and to defend us,
    in this hour of battle.  What a good thing it would be if each of us
    were to start saying that prayer again, every day.

    [At the time of this speech, in 1986, a number of good priests who
    had been expelled from their orders or from their chancery offices
    (not unlike how XSPXSGBF has been expelling good priests), had
    continued to pray these "Leonine Prayers" -- and this too would
    happen to Fr. O'Connor not long after this speech.]

    Yet, the prophet Dan in the Old Testament, chapter 12 verse 10,
    he warned that when the great Antichrist finally did appear in
    the world scene, the vast majority of mankind would be caught
    totally unaware that his reign was beginning.  Indeed, St. Paul
    tells us in his first letter to the Thessalonians, that the beginning
    of the reign of the Antichrist would actually be hailed by most
    people as the dawn of a new era of peace and security.  

    The main question that I would like to address this afternoon is:

    How can we recognize the Antichrist should he come within the
    lifetime of most of us here, how can we recognize him?

    What are the marks, fortold in the Bible, by which we will know
    he is in fact, THE Antichrist?  And what will his reign over the world
    be like?  

    Both the Old and the New Testament contain many descriptions
    of the Antichrist and his reign, as well as Sacred Tradition, which
    has preserved for us the preaching of the Apostles, as recorded
    by the early Martyrs and Saints of the Church.

    In describing the Antichrist this afternoon and delineating his
    marks, I will be drawing from what is written in Holy Scripture
    and what can be found in the Sacred Tradition of the Church.

    The best overall description of the Antichrist is given by St. Paul,
    in his second letter to the Christians of Thessalonica, in Chapter
    Two.  This is what Paul said:  

    "Now, concerning the coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ and our
    assembling to meet Him, that day will not come until the Apostacy
    comes first."  

    "Apostasy" is a Greek word that means a rebellion
    against Christ, a rejection of Christ, what we might call today
    "the death of God," complete rejection of God, rejection of His
    rights over us, over our government, over our social life.  And we
    are seeing this apostasy not only here in our beloved America,
    we're seeing it as an organized, formal revolt of Marxism, against
    Almighty God and His rights over the world.  And the reason
    these people want to KILL GOD, the reason these people are
    proclaiming the "death of God," is so they can take God's place!  
    So Paul continues:

    "That day will not come until the Apostasy comes first, and the
    man of sin is revealed.  The son of hell (Paul calls him) who will
    exault himself above every so-called god or object of worship,
    so that he takes his seat in the Temple of God, proclaiming
    himself to be God.  Do you not remember (Paul wrote), that when
    I was still with you I told you this, and you know, what is
    restraining him now."

    Paul didn't mention it in his letter, but we know what that
    obstacle is, from Sacred Tradition,
    about which Paul was
    speaking, that would restrain the reign of the Antichrist.  

    So Paul says:

    "You know what is restraining him now, so that he may be revealed
    in his own time, for the hidden power of sin is already at work,
    but he who now restrains him can do so only until he is removed,
    and then the lawless one will be revealed.  The coming of this
    lawless one will be by the working of satan, by all power by
    pretended signs and wonders."

    That is why we must be so careful today!  Especially by reported
    apparitions that have not been approved by the Magisterium.  Our
    Lord warned us in Matthew's Gospel that the devil will work such
    great signs and wonders so as to deceive EVEN THE ELECT,
    and lead them astray.  

    "With all power and pretended signs and wonders and with all
    wicked deception of those who are to perish, because they
    refuse to love the truth and be saved.  Therefore, God will send
    upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false,
    so that they may be condemned, who did not believe the truth,
    but took pleasure in sinful living."

    22:50

    The reign of the Antichrist is a punishment from God, upon a
    sinful and rebellious mankind, because mankind did not
    worship his creator, because mankind is not greatful to almighty
    God for all His benefactions, because mankind is refusing to
    SERVE God, his punishment will be, that he must now serve the
    devil!  -and the devil's vicar on earth, the Antichrist himself.

    The restraining obstacle which previously held back the reign
    of the Antichrist, according to Sacred Tradition, was the Gentile
    occupation of Israel and the holy city of Jerusalem.  The
    Antichrist will become the supreme ruler of Israel, the state
    of Israel. This is what that acronym, or that number "666" means,
    that stands for the king, the ruler of the state of Israel.  Well, so
    long as Palestine and the city of Jerusalem were in Gentile
    control, it would be impossible for the Antichrist to be hailed
    as the King of Israel.  Indeed, it is the unanimous teaching of
    Sacred Tradition, the Fathers of the Church, that the Antichrist
    will be accepted as the "long-awaited Messiah" by the Jєωιѕн
    people.  And Our Lord warned them in the Fifth Chapter of
    John's Gospel, I came in my Father's name, and you did not
    receive me.  But another will come in his own name, and him
    you will receive.  

    Yes, because they rejected the true Messiah, they must now
    accept the false messiah, the Antichrist, as their savior.  That
    is why it was impossible for the Antichrist to appear before
    1967, when the Jєωs re-captured the holy city of Jerusalem.
    Indeed, it began in 1946, when they recovered part of the
    Holy Land and set up the new state of Israel, in 1946, and
    that's why a year later in his Easter message, Pope Pius XII
    said that the reign of the Antichrist could begin at any
    moment.

    The Antichrist will suddenly make his appearance, on the
    world scene, emerging out of seeming obscurity.  Once again,
    satan who is the ape of God, will have his Antichrist be the
    ape of the true Christ.  Just as Our Lord had his hidden life for
    30 years in Nazareth, before he began his ministry, so the
    Antichrist will be hidden, and seemingly obscure, the early
    part of his life, and then, like the true Christ, he will suddenly
    appear on the world scene.  

    The Antichrist will be a man of unsurpassed ability.  He will
    emerge as a great world leader -- not by the sword, not by
    military means, but by diplomacy, by the eloqunce of his
    speech.  He will be a man of brilliant intelligence, having
    a solution to every human problem. He will have a
    mesmerizing eloquence that will stir vast crowds of people,
    bring them to their feet cheering, begging him to become
    the ruler of the world.  

    [In no small way, Obama fits in this description due to his
    inexplicable appeal to the voters of America -- why would
    anyone vote for this guy?  But they did.  Why would they
    be impressed with his speeches?  But they were.  Obama
    managed to speak from a teleprompter but that did not
    disturb the stupid voting public in this country.  And so we
    are being showed how the Antichrist will be able to sway
    vast throngs of people worldwide, just as Obama has made
    his appeal acceptable to so many today.  Obama is a TYPE
    OF the Antichrist.  He is given to us so as to WEAR OUT our
    sense of how ridiculous the Antichrist's contradiction of
    Our Lord will be, eventually.  We are being CONDITIONED
    to scoff at and to disregard the reasonable warnings of
    Catholic Tradition regarding the Antichrist.]

    An excellent example was the mini antichrist, Adolf Hitler.  
    Few people realize that Adolf Hitler came to power through
    the ballot box.  His nαzι party received the majority vote in
    a parliamentary election.  And therefore Hitler, who was the
    head of the party, was appointed the Chancellor of Germany,
    by President Hindenburg.  Then Hitler proceeded to take over
    Austria, he took over Czechoslovakia, he united Romania and
    Italy in his Axis powers.  

    Why will Antichrist be such a brilliant individual?  Because
    the Bible and the Fathers tell us, he will be totally and perfectly
    possessed by Lucifer himself.
     The Antichrist will actually be
    [Fr. means to say he will ACT AS] the person of Lucifer:  it will
    be a KIND of (re-incar...) incarnation on his part.  It won't be a
    TRUE incarnation.  This requires a divine power:  only God can
    become truly incarnate.  But Lucifer will so possess the body
    and soul and faculties of this human being, that the human
    person will be totally suppressed, in a state of complete
    unconsciousness, and it will be Lucifer, walking on this earth;  
    the lips that move will be human, but the voice speaking will be
    that of Lucifer himself.  And he will come upon this earth, finally,
    to reign over men, demanding that all bow down and worship
    him as God.  

    Again, we have an example in Adolf Hitler, who as a young
    man in Vienna, made a pact with the devil, to become the
    master of the world.  Adolf Hitler was possessed.  This is a
    matter of historical record.  This is why an individual of such
    mediocre talents -- he was a paperhanger;  he made his living
    by drawing postcards and selling them to tourists in Vienna,
    and yet he became the master of practically all of Europe, a
    man of mesmerizing eloquence.  He hypnotized vast throngs
    of party members, who after each speech would jump to their
    feet, shouting and yelling, "Heil, Hitler, heil Hitler!"  Well, that
    was the demon who had possessed Hitler, and was ruling
    Germany.

    Adolf Hitler made his officers in his SS take an oath to Lucifer.  

    You know when our officers liberated Europe and they opened
    up the gates to these extermination camps, they couldn't
    believe it.  They simply could not believe how human beings
    could be so cruel, could commit such atrocities.  Well, they
    weren't human beings!  They were devils, in total possession
    of Hitler and his SS, who were capable of such viciousness
    and brutality.  Well, when the Antichrist comes, he too
    will be possessed by Satan, and so will most of his minions.

    nαzιism was a preview of coming attractions, of what the
    reign of the Antichrist will be like.  

    [Demonic] possession is not at all like that movie, "The
    Antichrist" [Fr. O'Connor means "The Exorcist."]  That was
    hyped-up and glamorized by Hollywood. They wanted to
    make a horror picture, and I'm personally convinced that
    Lucifer is already the chairman of the board in Hollywood!

    He's the one who's calling the shots there today.  And so,
    perhaps he wanted this hyped-up, sensationalized movie,
    to deceive people, about what possession is really like.  
    It's not like that at all ----[recording skips unknown amount
    of time, camera angle changes]. 33:20

    ----Who also was possessed.  And this priest, in
    following the spirituality of the divine milieu, the
    phenomenon of man, this poor priest got himself possessed,
    under the control of a demon, and was TOTALLY unaware of
    it.  And the irony of the situation was, that the priest who
    was appointed by the bishop to exorcise him was ALSO
    possessed!  And he didn't know it, either!  And he had
    been his professor in the seminary, the exorcist, and who had
    introduced this young priest into Teilhard de Chardin.  
    And through following his spirituality and his ideas (Chardin's)
    even the exorcist discovered that he had fallen under the
    mind control of satan.  

    There are various degrees of possession.  It doesn't take
    place all at once.  It begins with Ouija board, or Tarot cards
    or fortune tellers, or, it begins with Astrology.  That's when we
    first open the door to satan in our lives.  

    He (satan) avoids this bizarre behavior that we saw in the movie,
    "The Exorcist" [not 'the Antichrist', as Fr. said previously],
    because he doesn't want people to know he's there!  He
    doesn't want even his victim to discover that he is gradually
    taking over his or her life.  He knows that the first thing they'll
    do is go call an exorcist, and that's the LAST person in the
    world he wants to see!  And there are various degrees of
    possession, until you reach that perfect degree, we saw in
    the instance of Adolf Hitler, where a demon is able to
    imitate perfectly the personality of his human victim, whose
    own consciousness is completely suppressed.  

    And according to Marylin Furgesson in her book on the
    NewAge movement, The Aquarian Conspiracy, and of course,
    according to your own Mrs. Constance Comby here in Detroit,
    there are far more people possessed today than we realize.

    34:50

    All these new methods of meditation, "Eastern spirituality,"
    are really short courses in how to get yourself possessed!  
    Transcendental Meditation, EST - Erhardt Seminar [Sensitivity]
    Training, Silva Mind Control, biofeedback, Yoga, stress-
    management programs techniques, NewAge sprituality, the
    mind sciences, anchor holes, which is being introduced as
    a form of spirituality among Catholics, A Course in Miracles
    -- all of these, are methods to get one's self under the control
    of a demon.  

    Silva Mind Control -- I can speak from experience.  I started to
    take his program.  I was talked into it by another priest.  They
    don't tell you from the beginning, that eventually they're
    going to have you communicating with higher intelligences
    from 'outer space'.  

    36:00

    This is all part of the Occult:  you're not told in the beginning
    what you're getting into, until finally you reach a point, I'm
    afraid, where it's too late.  Well, one weekend of that, and I got
    as far away from those people as I could get!  

    Fr. Matthew Fox, a Dominican, has established out in California
    his Center for Creation, "Centered Spirituality."  This is simply
    another technique to get one's self possessed.  This is why
    he brings in people like Star Hawk, a registered witch!  -to
    teach in his program.  It's basically a reversion to paganism,
    a nature worship, a worship of creation, and that is the very
    trap into which Teilhard de Chardin himself fell.  

    37:11 [scene from pews and windows]

    According to a recent Gallup poll, at least 10 million
    Americans have dabbled in this Eastern mysticism, and are
    in some degree, in diabolical possession.

    [It seems what Fr. means is that the poll says 10 million have
    dabbled in Eastern mysticism;  and then it is his assessment
    of this poll that therefore those people are in some small
    degree, or perhaps greater degree, in diabolical possession.]

    Well, these are the "shock troops," the advance troops of the
    Antichrist, who will be marshalled under his flag, when he
    unleashes his reign of terror on the earth.  

    The Bible tells us that the Antichrist will have complete
    control of all the real wealth of the earth.  Daniel Chapter
    Twelve tells us that he shall have control of the riches of
    gold and silver.  I'm sure there's some here this afternoon
    who can remember when we had gold and silver coins.  
    That's real money, because it has a real, intrinsic value.  
    I remember when I was a youngster, even a dollar bill;  
    sometimes I would receive one for a birthday, as you can
    imagine -- as a youngster, I would examine it very carefully.  
    I would always notice it used to say, "redeemable in silver
    from the United States Treasury."  [Actually it says, Payable
    to the bearer on demand in silver.]  

    But if you examine a dollar bill lately, you will notice it no
    longer says that.  Instead, it's called a Federal Reserve Note.
    All real money was taken from us, at least the gold, in 1932
    by Franklin Delano Rosavelt, and our silver was taken from
    us by [Richard Milhaus] Nixon in 1971.  And in it's place was
    issued this paper money, which has no intrinsic value [it is
    actually a Non-Negotiable Note of Debt].  As it itself says, it
    is a Federal Reserve Note, and a 'note' is legal jargon for an
    I.O.U. [I owe you].  It's really just a piece of paper.  No, all
    real wealth has been taken from the American people, and
    concentrated in the hands of the minions of the Antichrist.  
    They say even our gold at Fort Knox is no longer there.  It's
    all been assembled in deep vaults in Geneva, Switzerland.

    So just what is this piece of paper worth?  It's not worth
    silver anymore.  It's not worth gold.  Well, it's worth whatever
    the Federal Reserve says it's worth.  By printing more of them,
    as they did during the presidency of Jimmy Carter [and they
    are doing once again under Obama!], they decreased its
    value.  The more dollars there were, the less each was worth.
    Or, they can print less of them, they can constrict the money
    supply.  They can call these in on loans.  And then they can
    cause a Depression.  

    Mr. Alan Greenspan who presently is the chairman of the
    Federal Reserve Board (this is 1987), he wrote an article in
    1958, and he said that the Federal Reserve manipulation of
    the currency in the 1920's is what brought on the stock
    market crash of 1929.  And, Mr. Greenspan says, "caused"
    the American economy to collapse.  All the Fed has to do, is
    to call in its loans (holding up a dollar bill), and limit the
    money supply.  Well, this is when brokers then have to call
    in loans that they've made to their clients.  This is when
    clients have to go out and sell their watches, or cars, or rings,
    or whatever they can, to pay off the brokers. And this causes
    a chain reaction in a nation, and this is what brought about
    the great crash of 1929 and the Great Depression of the
    1930's.  Our lives, our fortunes and our honor today are at the
    mercy of the Federal Reserve Board [which is a private
    corporation, and is not "federal" and has no "reserve"].  

    And I suppose most of you think it's just another government
    agency.  The Federal Reserve system is no more part of
    our federal government than is Federal Express, the overnight
    package delivery people, or the Federal Dry Cleaners.  The
    Federal Reserve system is a private corporation owned by
    private individuals.  It is a secret corporation.  It is so secret,
    it is the only corporation in America that does not have
    to publish the names of its principal stockholders.  Every
    other business corporation in our nation has to have on file
    a list of its principal stockholders that are open to public
    inspection.  The only private corporation that doesn't have to
    do this is the Federal Reserve system, so we don't even know
    who owns it.  It's the most secret, mysterious corporation
    in America.  And it's probably owned by the international
    bankers:  by the Rothchilds and the Warburgs and the other
    international bankers, to whom we American taxpayers
    owe the National Debt!  

    You know, sometimes the press will tell us, "Don't worry
    about the National debt, we owe it to ourselves!"  Well, if
    we owe that national debt to ourselves, why do we have
    to pay $100 billion a year in interest on it?  No, that national
    debt is owned by international bankers.  And this is how
    the Antichrist will gain control of the world.  

    As Myre Anchill (?) the founder of the Rothchild banking
    dynasty said, "I don't care who makes your laws. Just let me
    print your money."  Because he who prints the money controls
    the economy, controls the nation, and even controls the
    Congress that makes the laws.  

    The Federal Reserve system is so secret you cannot even audit
    it.  Now, every corporation in America is open to audit by the
    federal government.  In 1978 a Congressman introduced a
    law in Congress to audit the Federal Reserve -- it's never been
    audited.  And he wanted to find out what they're doing with all
    our money, and why they've imposed this tremendous debt on
    the American people.  By the time that law got through Congress
    and was passed, it said just the opposite:  the Federal Reserve
    may NOT be audited!  That tells you the control that the
    Federal Reserve has over our Congress, that it can take a law
    introduced by a Congressman, and make it come through [saying]
    exactly opposite of what was intended!

    The Federal Reserve is part of that great deception of which
    St. Paul spoke in his letter to the Thessalonians, in other words,
    it's a central bank that controls all the other banks in our
    country.  And did you know that a central bank is the third
    plank of the Communist Manifesto,
    written by Karl Marx in 1848,
    nearly 150 years ago [now it's 165 years ago!]?  If you have
    never read the Communist Manifesto, I urge you to go to a large
    public library and get a copy.  You're in for the shock of your
    life.  

    The first plank of the Communist Manifesto is a Federal
    Income Tax.  Karl Marx was the first to propose a federal
    income tax on all wage earners in a country.  The second
    plank
    is to substitute paper money for real money of gold and
    silver.  Everything that Karl Marx laid down for the economic
    enslavement of a nation is already in place, right here in
    America.  Including women's liberation, the destruction of
    marriage and family life for the sake of so-called 'women's
    liberation' -- even this is spelled out by Karl Marx.  

    So where is the reign of the Antichrist in the world today?  
    Well, it's in Russia!  -where you have the economic
    enslavement of an entire people.  It's in China!  -where these
    people are nothing but slave laborers for the Communist
    Party.  The reign of the Antichrist is in Cambodia!  -where
    3 million Cambodians were slaughtered by their own
    government.  It's in VietNam!  It's in Laos!  It's in Poland!
    Yugoslavia!  Czechoslovakia!  And right here, in the United
    States. We are under the Communist Manifesto already.

    And this is what Daniel warned us about.  He said most
    people would be totally unaware that they were being taken
    over by the Antichrist.  

    When did our beloved America fall under the control of the
    Antichrist?  We know the exact date:  January 23rd, 1973,
    when our Supreme Court enacted the death penalty against
    20 million babies in our contry by abortion [it's now over 60
    million].  This was a sign that we have fallen under the
    control of the Antichrist.  Whenever the devil gets control
    of a nation -- and I don't care WHERE it is -- he demands
    human sacrifice!  That is the price, that those who give
    themselves to the devil must pay!  

    Now, normally in the past, this human sacrifice was paid
    by war, by revolution, by murder, by crime.  Well, the most
    scientific form of human sacrifice today is by abortion,
    where a mother's womb becomes the altar on which a
    human life is sacrificed to Lucifer.  According to [Alexander]
    Solzhenitsyn, the Communists have already killed 66
    million of their own people in Russia, either through war,
    execution, or slave labor camps.  That is the price that the
    Communists paid to Lucifer, and to his Antichrist.  

    [I know young people today who have never heard the name
    Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and when I try to tell them something
    about him, they look at me like I'm from outer space.  Such
    language appears to them as if it is not comprehensible. And
    this is the accomplishment of our public school system in
    America.  Perhaps it's not this bad in Ireland or in the
    Phillipines, for example.]

    So where is the reign of the Antichrist today?  

    Well, practically two-thirds of our planet has already been
    subjected to his power and authority, and as far as the
    rest of the world goes, it is just a matter of time.  The
    world bank will see to it, that every other nation is
    brought to its knees, through inflation, through a huge
    national debt, everybody will be enslaved to this world
    bank, whose chief executive is the Antichrist.

    The Bible and Tradition also warn us that the agents of the
    Antichrist will infiltrate the Catholic Church, and will take
    over its visible structures.  I am afraid this is what we are
    seeing today, not only in America but throughout the world.

    The Antichrist will take over our schools and will use them
    to teach Modernism, which is the religion of the Antichrist,
    he will take over our colleges, our once-great Catholic
    colleges, he will infiltrate and take over our chancery
    offices, our parish offices, our United States Catholic
    Conferences and the like.  

    [Curiously, he took over at Vat.II as well, and this priest, Fr.
    O'Connor. in giving this talk on this subject and did not
    recognize how Vat.II was under the control of the Antichrist!]

    This is described by St. John in the Apocalypse Chapter
    Twelve:  the woman clothed with the sun, and the red
    dragon -- who drives the Church underground, who
    persecutes the Church!  And  then in the folowing Chapter
    Thirteen, John warns us of this false prophet, who will arise.  
    And all the Fathers of the Church tell us the false prophet will
    be a Catholic Bishop!  -an apostate bishop, who will join the
    Antichrist, and help him in his rule over Catholics!  

    This has happened many times in history.  The Jєωιѕн
    church was taken over by satan.  At the time of Christ, he
    had complete control of the Sanhedrin and the Scribes and
    Pharisees. And he used those very leaders of the chosen
    people, who should have LED THEM to Christ, he used those
    leaders to execute their Messiah.  

    A prime example would be in England, under Henry VIII and
    Archbishop Cranmer, where they literally stole the Catholic
    Church away from the See of Peter. If you've ever gone to
    England, I'm sure you've gone to Westminster Cathedral,
    York Cathedral, to those other magnificent churches there,
    they were once all Catholic, as Catholic as this church here!

    [Fr. refers to a NovusOrdo parish church where the Newmass
    only had been celebrated for the past 18 years already!  How
    ironic is THAT?  The abominable Newmass had been imposed
    not from the outside but from the inside of the Church, when
    the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass was STOLEN from the
    faithful who would have kept it.]  

    And they were all STOLEN by Henry VIII and Archbishop
    Cranmer when they broke away, when 95% of Catholics went
    right along with that mini-antichrist!

    [Fr. speaks to an audience probably about 95% of whom had
    then gone "right along" with the Newmass without question,
    and he himself is perhaps 95% committed to it as well -- did
    Fr. John O'Connor ever celebrate the CTLM during the time of
    or after this speech he gave in 1987, which was BTW the
    year before ABL consecrated his 4 bishops?]

    All of the clergy, all of the priests, threw in with that mini-
    antichrist, and every bishop in England, except one, John
    Fisher, who was beheaded, threw in and joined with that
    Antichrist in stealing the Church from the Vicar of Christ.  

    Well, how will his minions take over the Church?  By
    infiltration!  This is their battle cry:  If you can't beat 'em,
    join 'em!  We have been infiltrated by Masons for, well, ever
    since their founding over 200 years ago.  

    53:30

    This is why our once-beautiful liturgy has been so watered-
    down.  Archbishop Bugnini was a Mason --(and I had this on
    the best authority)-- who had infiltrated the Congregation for
    the Divine Worship, and did everything in his power to
    obscure the Mass as a Sacrifice, and to turn it into a
    Protestant communion service.  

    Now, our Mass, and our new liturgy IS VALID. If said by a
    validly orained priest with the right intention, it's still valid.  

    [This was then, of course, 17 years after the form of ordination
    had been rendered at least questionable, and 17 years after
    the Newmass had not been promulgated, even while all the
    clergy like Fr. O'Connor (who were not privy to the wiles of
    the top levels of authority from whence corruption came)
    had been and continued to be under the impression that the
    Newmass had been promulgated.  Therefore there are at
    least two conspicuous deceptions here that Fr. O'Connor
    has entirely missed:  1)  Vat.II was under the control of
    satan even while it seemed to be an authentic Council of
    the Church, and  2)  the Newmass was never promulgated
    even though THEY SAID IT WAS, but all the docuмentation
    reveals clearly that it in fact was not promulgated at all.]

    But Bugnini did everything he could to obscure the Mass as
    a sacrifice and to present it as simply a meal, a protestant
    communion service.  And just a few months ago, I was
    attending a workshop with Bishop Jerome Asrich (?) of Texas,
    and he got up and he said, and I quote, and he gave me
    permission to quote him, he said the ICEL, the International
    Commission on English in the Liturgy, is trying to protestantize
    our Catholic Mass, unquote.  You know, they've got a new
    sacramentary, a new Missal in the works, and I'm sure that
    when that does appear -- they promise it before the end of
    the century -- they will do away completely with the Mass
    as a sacrifice.  Oh, they'll keep a lot of the vestments and
    a lot of the external accoutrements..

    [Uh, no, they'll start wearing Mexican sarapes and rainbow
    towels and Hindu and Mohammedan prayer shawls and stuff,
    and they'll get rid of the statues and the candles and the
    stained glass windows, all in due time, before you know it.
    But as for this "new Sacramentary," it was SORT OF brought
    in over time, but not completely, perhaps thanks to this
    speech by Fr. O'Connor and maybe others like it.  But there
    are further changes on the horizon, including but not limited
    to the SO-CALED 'NEW 1962 MISSAL' that was supposed to
    be introduced one year ago, for Advent 2012, but for
    whatever reason it was not.  So there is something new
    coming still, even if it is now 12 years after the end of the
    century.  Note: the century to which Fr. refers, the 20th,
    ended on December 31st, 2000, and the first day of the
    new century was January 1st, 2001. It will have been 13
    years at the end of next month, Dec. 2013.  Right now, it
    has only been 12 years.]

    .. They'll try to PRETEND it's still the good-old-Catholic Mass,
    but it will be nothing more than a protestant communion
    service.  

    [While Fr. has it partially correct, it is ever more obvious to
    us today that the NovusOrdo Newmass which he curiously
    attempts to defend, has been no more than a protestant
    communion service pretty much all along, ever since 1969
    when six Protestant ministers composed it for the most
    regrettable Paul VI, who never promulgated it.]

    And as Daniel, the great prophet Daniel in the Old
    Testament warned, the Antichrist will do away with the
    everlasting Sacrifice.  This will be the mark of the Beast by
    which we will recognize him.  He will do away with the
    Mass as a sacrifice of Christ on Calvary and substitute in its
    place a protestant communion service.  

    [Actually, this being only 27 years after his speech, there are
    many protestant groups who use the NovusOrdo liturgy just
    about as Fr. O'Connor was saying it the day he gave this talk.]

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    If you only have 14 minutes you can watch this short portion
    of Fr. O'Connor's speech that covers Antichrist and a few more
    topics:  

    The problem of Abortion leads to the reign of Antichrist

    Infiltration of the Catholic Church by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs

    Infiltration of religious orders by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs

    Fr. Donald J. Gurgan - Dominican Province elected him superior

    Communists rejoice to have us infiltrated by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs

    To become a Dominican today you have to be either 'effeminate'
    or else accepting of homos as an alternative lifestyle.

    Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (d. 1955)

    Fr. Karl Rahner - destroyed 5 beautiful Schemas for Vat.II

    Fr. Hans Kueng - peritus at Vat.II

    Gregory Bahm - Ohio

    Fr. Charles Curran

    Richard McBrien

    Richard P. McCormick of Notre Dame

    Raymond Brown

    Fr. Eugene Levidre (?)

    Fr. Matthew Fox - Creation Centered Spirituality (do-it-yourself
    method for getting possessed)

    Donald J. Gurgan - "Christology" (Jesus Christ is God because we
    are all gods!)

    Near the end this is where Fr. says that the devil has World War III
    scheduled for 1993.  So that was a bit off.  It's interesting that he
    mentions earthquakes and California in the same context, and there
    was a pretty significant earthquake in 1994, the Northridge EQ, at
    which I was present and awake and paying attention. It was a bit
    like being put in a box and rolling it down a steep hillside. No theme
    park ride does it justice, because if they did, they would be sued
    for unnecessary roughness.


    At minute 12 Fr. says that meteorologists were saying (in 1986) that
    "this greenhouse effect began in 1980".  I have to say that the
    sources he was using must have been going by some faulty data,
    because in 1974 there was already a clear agenda of environmentalism
    going on in colleges and so-called science classrooms all over the
    country, whereby they asserted that a 'hole' in the ozone layer was
    growing and it was all due to man's use of R-12 refrigerant because
    of their CFCs.  It might have taken 6 years for the Liberal leaning
    data pushers to get their peer-reviewed paperwork together, but it
    is obvious that the ideas began in the college classrooms, which were
    used as a proving ground for the theories, and then all they needed
    to do was selectively collect data with bias, ignoring data stations
    which had readings which do not support their agenda.  That could
    be where the 4 years came from.  It takes several steps:  1) Planning,  
    2)  Stirring up interest by classroom discussions "global warming,"   3)
    Funding the research (when students are excited about it that helps
    to show investors that there is life in the agenda),  4)  Using the funds
    to collect biased data, but doing this SLOWLY so as not to raise any
    suspicions that the collection is using biased methods,   5)  Putting out
    the message in venues like comedian scripts and late night talk
    shows' material, TV sitcoms, as entertainment, (which also helps to
    fund the project because marketable articles sell copy -- ask Al Gore
    about selling copy!),  6)  Publishing the skewed data in trade
    periodicals and Liberal-leaning rags like Scientific American, The
    American Socialist and Smithsonian, 7) Bringing the doctored-up,
    agenda-supportive (but secretly skewed) data into textbooks where
    it enjoys a certain appeal and credibility BECAUSE it's in a textbook.
    This is when it gets into the TV News and daily newspapers, because
    then it is a fait accompli, and is merely being reported as having
    happened.

    They don't want to put it out on TV 'news' or in school textbooks until
    they can be sure that it has a lifespan that is provable by steps 2-6.

    I.e., by the time it gets to TV 'news' and school textbooks it's no
    longer "cutting edge."  And so those who want to be "in the
    know" are involved with college classrooms where ideas in their
    infancy are kicked around and developed, with enthusiastic and
    "PROGRESSIVE" students.  This is also why you should beware
    of sending your children to such places, because that's how they will
    be transformed into "ONE OF THEM."


    This is how they push all kinds of lies like evolution and the 'big bang'
    and black holes and the 'size of the universe', etc.  By the time it gets
    into the newspapers, tabloids, movies and novels, it already has a
    verifiable history and that way the gullible 'consumers' (those who eat
    the lies of the liars) do not question the believability of the lies.


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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    THE ANTICHRIST Thread -- imported OP from General Discussion
    « Reply #13 on: November 16, 2013, 05:01:05 PM »
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    Woops.  I forgot to post the link.  This is video 5/9:


    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/MiX3shNztA8[/youtube]


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