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Offline Quid Retribuam Domino

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Re: The Age of Fatima
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2019, 01:36:09 PM »
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  • That is then a misleading statement, since it contains the word always, which is superfluous to its meaning regardless of what one sticks on the end.  Does Our Lady not know Portuguese grammar?

    I don't doubt that Our Lady appeared at Fatima, but the message and secrets are dubious because of human error in passing it "down the grapevine" and it becoming truncated in parts. Why would Our Lady appear at Fatima and render these messages, if what was actually said, and its meaning, was going to be edited, distorted and lost? It defies logic, but maybe there is a more personal reason for those directly involved in the apparition. Also, God works in ways that we can't understand.

    I agree with you about Russia.

    Regarding the imposter "Lucia", maybe they used her to be the ambassador for the Fatima enterprise because she would bring in the most money and interest, rather than her memory (after the real Lucia is assassinated or exiled until her death).

    The questions about her family and convent members not speaking out about the imposter are valid questions.
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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #16 on: January 08, 2019, 04:43:52 PM »
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  • Conceivably, how much money did Fatima bring to the Church?

    I would think it was trivial compared to property portfolios and rent on them that the Vatican controls.

    To the town of Fatima perhaps, hotels, tourism brought in some useful income, but how much did the Church make out of it?  It wasn't a massive centre of Pilgrimage after Vatican II.  I think Lourdes was larger.

    A doppelganger would have to be sanctioned and organised pretty high up as it would have a risk of being exposed and be HUGELY embarrassing were it to be exposed.  I can't see the mayor of Fatima and the local bishop necromancing up a fake Sister Lucia realistically, can you?


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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #17 on: January 08, 2019, 04:52:08 PM »
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  • Surely we don't notice! Are we believe that, because the MSM is not talking about it, that it doesn't happen that the good are martyred. Are we to believe that in the 21 century there  are fewer  martyrs than in previous ages?
    https://acnuk.org/china/
    https://www.ucanews.com/news/cardinal-zen-calls-on-beijing-to-end-religious-persecution/75856
    I think there probably are fewer.
     In the Boxer Rebellion of 1900, many priests, nuns, catechists and some 30,000 Chinese converts to Christianity were killed. Some were children. Many were killed in the church in which they were taking refuge in the village of Tchou-Kia-ho.  That was 17 years before Fatima.
    The MSM can cover up one or two, but if there was a wholesale slaughter in China of more than 30,000 Catholics it would get out.  Very hard to hide stuff like that today.  There are a lot of right wing evangelicals who would publicize it if for no other reason than to bash the Chinese commies.

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #18 on: January 08, 2019, 05:10:37 PM »
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  • How many of the Assyrians and Armenians were Catholic when they were genocided by the Turkroaches?

    Same with the 10 million Ukrainians killed off by Jew Lazar Kaganovich. According to Wiki, around 7.5% Ukrainians, today, are Catholic, so for argument sake, let's say that in the 1930s, 7.5 % of Ukrainians were Catholic. Statistically, it's plausible that 750,000 (7.5% of 10 million) Catholics died in Holodomor Holocaust. The core reason these people were genocided by the Jew atheist Kaganovich was because they professed the Name of Jesus Christ.

    Wouldn't these Catholics be martyrs, if they died because of their Faith?
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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #19 on: January 08, 2019, 05:20:54 PM »
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  • No idea how to discover that, but I am pretty sure MOST of them were orthodox.  Besides that started in 1915.

    Also I am not sure whether they were martyrs.  They were killed because they were Armenians and even when they renounced the faith and converted to Islam the Turks still killed them.

    Toynbee and various other sources report that many Armenians were spared death by marrying into Turkish families or converting to Islam. Concerned that Westerners would come to regard the "extermination of the Armenians" as "a black stain on the history of Islam, which the ages will not efface", El-Ghusein also observes that many Armenian converts were put to death.[38]:39 In one instance, when an Islamic leader appealed to spare Armenian converts to Islam, El-Ghusein quotes a government official as responding that "politics have no religion", before sending the converts to their deaths


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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #20 on: January 08, 2019, 05:31:36 PM »
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  • The Assyrian and Armenian genocides started around 1915, but they went to 1923.

    Previous comment edited to include Ukraine.
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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #21 on: January 08, 2019, 06:52:57 PM »
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  • So let me get this straight.

    Our Lady appears, makes the Sun dance and we get a message about Russia and her errors, a few Christian martyrs, and World War II (though I don't think this was published until it was underway).

    Nothing about the worldwide loss of faith we are now experiencing.  Homo marriage and rampant fornication and very high divorce rates and children born out of wedlock.

    Which has resulted in most souls lost to Hell.  1920 to 1965 or 1965 to present day?

    You'd have to figure the last 50 years surely wouldn't you?


    If the 3rd Secret is a warning about Vatican II and liberalism and they covered that up then how in the heck is John XXIII a canonised saint?

    How did Sister Lucia sit silent and watch Vatican II happen (or Malachi Martin for that matter)?

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #22 on: January 09, 2019, 08:06:00 AM »
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  • So let me get this straight.

    Our Lady appears, makes the Sun dance and we get a message about Russia and her errors, a few Christian martyrs, and World War II (though I don't think this was published until it was underway).

    Nothing about the worldwide loss of faith we are now experiencing.  Homo marriage and rampant fornication and very high divorce rates and children born out of wedlock.

    Which has resulted in most souls lost to Hell.  1920 to 1965 or 1965 to present day?

    You'd have to figure the last 50 years surely wouldn't you?


    If the 3rd Secret is a warning about Vatican II and liberalism and they covered that up then how in the heck is John XXIII a canonised saint?

    How did Sister Lucia sit silent and watch Vatican II happen (or Malachi Martin for that matter)?
    Have you seen the investigations into the Fake Lucia? This is the latest entry:
    https://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/01/announcement-2019-sworn-declaration.html
    **Gave up posting for Lent** If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema. - Council of Trent


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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #23 on: January 09, 2019, 08:38:22 AM »
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  • Yes, I keep up with all things like this.

    I think it is nonsense, clutching at straws.

    It is known by science that handwriting does indeed change over time.

    So I reject their samples as evidence because, even if the handwriting is slightly different, so what?

    Give me DNA analysis of the real and fake Sister Lucia  Then I will believe there were two Sister Lucia's

    The old and the "new" one always looked to me like the same person.

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #24 on: January 09, 2019, 08:56:01 AM »
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  • Sister Lucia lived for another 4 years and 8 months after the June 2000 publication.  In that period there was intense speculation about the secret being hidden.  I remember discussing it myself in forums.  There was more interest then than there is today!

    Why not get the fake sister Lucia to confirm that the whole secret was released by the Vatican in 2001 to 2005.  Why go to all of that trouble and risk and yet not use the stooge, when you have every reason to roll her out and bury the speculation about an additional part?

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #25 on: January 09, 2019, 09:12:26 AM »
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  • Yes, I keep up with all things like this.

    I think it is nonsense, clutching at straws.

    It is known by science that handwriting does indeed change over time.

    So I reject their samples as evidence because, even if the handwriting is slightly different, so what?

    Give me DNA analysis of the real and fake Sister Lucia  Then I will believe there were two Sister Lucia's

    The old and the "new" one always looked to me like the same person.
    Fair enough.  Just wondering if you saw it.  I'm not sure what I think of it.  Personally, all I see of Fatima is division among Catholics. 
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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #26 on: January 09, 2019, 10:07:46 AM »
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  • I’ve never seen any real proof that there was a fake Sister Lucia. I agree 2vermont it’s just a way to drive  wedge between Catholics.

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #27 on: January 09, 2019, 12:39:36 PM »
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  • I don't see Fatima as particularly divisive.  But what am I supposed to do now?  101 years have passed and nothing much has happened.

    Russia today is one of the better countries.  No homo marriage and no promotion of perverted behaviors.

    The Pope and the Bishops consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart?   :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

    We can't even get those idiots to be Catholics.  There is no chance of them consecrating anything to anyone.

    You'd find it far easier to get four dozen of them to a homosexual drug fuelled orgy.

    So, all I can do is wait and see whether God does something.

    Keep my sandwich board polished and wait.


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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #28 on: January 09, 2019, 05:49:54 PM »
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  • .
    So let me get this straight.

    Our Lady appears, makes the Sun dance and we get a message about Russia and her errors, a few Christian martyrs, and World War II (though I don't think this was published until it was underway).

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    Lots of things Our Lady told the children were not "published" until many years later. Some of it STILL hasn't been "published."

    When in 1917 she told the children another even worse war could begin during the reign of Pius XI, the children had no idea who "Pius XI" was for he had not been elected yet in 1917.
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    If you're bent on requiring corroborating evidence for everything, then that implies you think Sister Lucia was a liar.
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    Nothing about the worldwide loss of faith we are now experiencing. [Not a sentence.]
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    That would be part of the Third Secret which has not been made public yet.
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     Homo marriage and rampant fornication and very high divorce rates and children born out of wedlock. [Not a sentence.]

    Which has resulted in most souls lost to Hell.  1920 to 1965 or 1965 to present day? [Not sentences.]

    You'd have to figure the last 50 years surely wouldn't you?
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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #29 on: January 09, 2019, 05:55:49 PM »
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    I don't see Fatima as particularly divisive.  But what am I supposed to do now?  101 years have passed and nothing much has happened.

    So, all I can do is wait and see whether God does something.

    Keep my sandwich board polished and wait.
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    What you're supposed to do now is to pray the daily Rosary.
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    The fact that Our Lady's solid wooden statue was seen to cry real human tears exactly 101 times in Akita (an approved apparition) was mysteriously an integral part of the historical record. Maybe you didn't know about that. You didn't publish it. There has been much speculation as to what that number, 101, signifies, precisely. Since this year is 101 years since the Fatima apparitions, maybe this is the year we will find out what the 101 means.
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    So keep your Lord of Sandwich board polished.

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