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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Angelus on September 25, 2023, 05:38:40 PM
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The Beast from the Sea described in Apocalypse chapter 13 and chapter 17 is the international political entity called "the Vatican City-State" legally founded on February 11, 1929. The Vatican City-State did not exist before 1929.
There have been 7 legitimate heads/kings (monarchs) of this new political kingdom. The "Eighth" is not a true head/king because he is illegitimately-elected, and he "goes to perdition." He is the "destroyer," the Antichrist. So let's count the 7 legitimate kings:
1. Pius XI
2. Pius XII
3. John XXIII
4. Paul VI
5. John Paul I
6. John Paul II
7. Benedict XVI
So, "the Eighth" is Bergoglio. Who are the 10 horns? Those men are Bergoglio's Council of Cardinal Advisors (C9) + Bergoglio.
All the Biblical prophecies are very near fulfillment. Bergoglio is the Beast from the Earth, the False Prophet, The Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition. The end time prophecies are talking mainly about the Crisis in the Church and its culmination with the Second Coming of Jesus. We should have a handful of years left before everything is done, but we are entering the critical phase with the Synod on Synodality.
BTW, the Dimonds agree that the 7 kings of the Apocalypse start with Pius XI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhSpqWOo51o
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This is one of those things I very much disagree with Dimonds on. I don't think we're even in Apocalyptic times yet but rather a "type" of the Great Apostasy but not THE Great Apostasy.
If you take into consideration that they are (or could be wrong) on this issue that would change everything.
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I don't think we're even in Apocalyptic times yet but rather a "type" of the Great Apostasy but not THE Great Apostasy.
Agreed. Unless we see a supernatural man take the political stage, I think we are still dealing with something different. The Catholic Faith hasn't been exactly banned in favor of worshiping a particular human being, but a false counter-religion has obstructed it. We still haven't seen a man being worshiped as if he were God, in place of Christ.
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Realizing that no one knows the day and the hour and that deception is a key aspect of the Apocalypse is crucial for a correct understanding of it. Most people seem to expect an obvious antichrist who unambiguously proclaims himself god, builds a temple and demands worship.
That's nonsense of course, if that happened everyone would know he was the Antichrist and that the end will soon follow. The apocalyptic prophecies must be fulfilled in symbolic or hidden ways so as not to reveal the deception. This approach is fundamental to the conclusions the Dimonds reach.
Everyone likes to say they are wrong but no one even attempts to explain the stunning evidence they present. What, it's all a big coincidence? Give me a break.
An honest person evaluating the evidence without preconceived notions would start off by admitting there is a case to be made here and that he can't provide an alternative explanation for this and that but the theory fails because of X.
I want to see someone actually debunk MHFM's theory. Pointing out unexplained things or this doesn't sound right is fine but let's not pretend it disproves anything. As things stand right now, no one has even attempted a more extensive and coherent end times explanation.
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Realizing that no one knows the day and the hour and that deception is a key aspect of the Apocalypse is crucial for a correct understanding of it. Most people seem to expect an obvious antichrist who unambiguously proclaims himself god, builds a temple and demands worship.
That's nonsense of course, if that happened everyone would know he was the Antichrist and that the end will soon follow. The apocalyptic prophecies must be fulfilled in symbolic or hidden ways so as not to reveal the deception. This approach is fundamental to the conclusions the Dimonds reach.
Everyone likes to say they are wrong but no one even attempts to explain the stunning evidence they present. What, it's all a big coincidence? Give me a break.
An honest person evaluating the evidence without preconceived notions would start off by admitting there is a case to be made here and that he can't provide an alternative explanation for this and that but the theory fails because of X.
I want to see someone actually debunk MHFM's theory. Pointing out unexplained things or this doesn't sound right is fine but let's not pretend it disproves anything. As things stand right now, no one has even attempted a more extensive and coherent end times explanation.
I don't recall seeing the dimonds address the 2 witnesses. Also anti-Christ is supposed to be killed by Christ?
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BTW, the Dimonds agree that the 7 kings of the Apocalypse start with Pius XI:
:jester: The Diamonds also made an entire video on why JP2 was the antichrist. :facepalm: They are good on many areas of doctrine and theology, but not this topic.
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:jester: The Diamonds also made an entire video on why JP2 was the antichrist. :facepalm: They are good on many areas of doctrine and theology, but not this topic.
Pax Vobis has a point here, Marulus Fidelis. They are free to speculate like the rest of us, but they have this failed theory and their questionability as a source in general to contend with over the issue.
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Agreed. Unless we see a supernatural man take the political stage, I think we are still dealing with something different. The Catholic Faith hasn't been exactly banned in favor of worshiping a particular human being, but a false counter-religion has obstructed it. We still haven't seen a man being worshiped as if he were God, in place of Christ.
The Antichrist replacement theology is the not worship of "a man," but the worship of "man," humanity, humanism. It is the inversion of the "greatest commandment" and "the second commandment." The number 6 is the symbol for man (humanity), for Adam who was created on the 6th day of Creation. 666 is the making of humanity into a replacement of the Trinity, the unholy Trinity, the Trinity of the Beast, Satan.
Matthew 22 (the greatest commandment)
36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.
Deuteronomy 6 (the phylacteries)
1 These are the precepts, and ceremonies, and judgments, which the Lord your God commanded that I should teach you, and that you should do them in the land into which you pass over to possess it: 2 That thou mayst fear the Lord thy God, and keep all his commandments and precepts, which I command thee, and thy sons, and thy grandsons, all the days of thy life, that thy days may be prolonged. 3 Hear, O Israel, and observe to do the things which the Lord hath commanded thee, that it may be well with thee, and thou mayst be greatly multiplied, as the Lord the God of thy fathers hath promised thee a land flowing with milk and honey. 4 Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. 5 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole strength. 6 And these words which I command thee this day, shall be in thy heart: 7 And thou shalt tell them to thy children, and thou shalt meditate upon them sitting in thy house, and walking on thy journey, sleeping and rising. 8 And thou shalt bind them as a sign on thy hand, and they shall be and shall move between thy eyes.
Apocalypse 13 (the mark of the beast)
16 And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads. 17 And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six.
Here is a website that explains this replacement theology:
https://www.humandevelopment.va/en/fratelli-tutti.html
"No one is saved alone"
The signs of the times clearly show that human fraternity and care of creation from the sole way towards integral development and peace
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It's been discussed on this site that it is the common opinion of the Church Fathers that the Antichrist will not be a system, but a single man who will ape Christ during his unholy duration on Earth. Here are some clips from Bp Williamson on the subject:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/an-opinion-on-the-coming-of-the-anti-christ/msg751515/#msg751515
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It's been discussed on this site that it is the common opinion of the Church Fathers that the Antichrist will not be a system, but a single man who will ape Christ during his unholy duration on Earth. Here are some clips from Bp Williamson on the subject:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/an-opinion-on-the-coming-of-the-anti-christ/msg751515/#msg751515
Yes, the Antichrist (the man) is none other than Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the author of the Antichrist replacement theology, which can be found in his encyclical Fratelli Tutti (https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/docuмents/papa-francesco_20201003_enciclica-fratelli-tutti.html). Again the quote from that encyclical:
"No one is saved alone"
The signs of the times clearly show that human fraternity and care of creation from the sole way towards integral development and peace
Do you understand? Humanity, not Jesus, is going to SAVE the world. This new theology replaces Jesus with salvation through human cooperation.
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Once upon a time they thought Benedict XV was the first head of the beast and the lord maitreya was the antichrist :facepalm:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/YS9Qwvw6Hjht/
https://www.todayscatholicworld.com/dims-refuted.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE2yPTbxI4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpTqbrH7JxU
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/YS9Qwvw6Hjht/
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Do you understand? Humanity, not Jesus, is going to SAVE the world. This new theology replaces Jesus with salvation through human cooperation.
Yes, I know what you are trying to say here, but it is another modern novel opinion. I am writing that the common older opinion was not only that he will be a man, but he will demand worship as if he were God. This even corresponds with Sacred Scripture such as in the case of 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
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Yes, I know what you are trying to say here, but it is another modern novel opinion. I am writing that the common older opinion was not only that he will be a man, but he will demand worship as if he were God. This even corresponds with Sacred Scripture such as in the case of 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
The Antichrist will demand that people follow his replacement theology in order to remain (counterfeit) Catholic. So he will be "seated" in the "temple of God" and act "as if he is God," meaning he will act as if he can replace the teaching of Jesus with his humanistic replacement theology of salvation by human effort alone.
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The Antichrist will demand that people follow his replacement theology in order to remain (counterfeit) Catholic. So he will be "seated" in the "temple of God" and act "as if he is God," meaning he will act as if he can replace the teaching of Jesus with his humanistic replacement theology of salvation by human effort alone.
Feel free to hold to your interpretation, but I don't think you have many buyers on here.
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This is one of those things I very much disagree with Dimonds on. I don't think we're even in Apocalyptic times yet but rather a "type" of the Great Apostasy but not THE Great Apostasy.
I understand what you mean, and have the same sense of things. But I would not say that we are not in apocalyptic times. We are indeed in Apocalyptic times, as many of the prophecies in that Book apply to more than one historical event.
There is no doubt in my mind that Vatican II is described in the visions of St. John. Indeed I comb through the Book, and its commentators, looking for light to better understand the nature of the anti-council and of our grievous times; and perhaps to get a general sense or a glimpse of what might come next.
What I am beginning to see, are relations between Fatima, Vatican II, and the visions in the Book. So many trads have lost faith in the miracles of Fatima, and no longer admit its relevance and import. This is unfortunate because Fatima is, most likely, a guiding light by which the correct application of the visions of the Apocalypse to our time can be made.
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Agreed. Unless we see a supernatural man take the political stage, I think we are still dealing with something different. The Catholic Faith hasn't been exactly banned in favor of worshiping a particular human being, but a false counter-religion has obstructed it. We still haven't seen a man being worshiped as if he were God, in place of Christ.
I too have a sense that there is coming a world leader, combining in himself military, political, and quasi-religious power. This will be a dupe and inversion of Christ, Who is Priest and King.
Indeed, the Church does not seem to be in her final battle with the antichrist. The facts you assert support the notion. But we are seeing shades and types and signs of things to come. For instance, though we do not see an individual man worshipped as God, and sitting in the temple of God, we do see the cult of unregenerate man now supplanting the True Religion, and an individual representative ofthis demonic cult now sitting in the place of the throne of St. Peter.
Man has become the object of worship, and his false worship is sent into the world via the usurped offices of the Roman Catholic Church.
What is lacking thus far is the unification of military, political, and religious power. We have suffered a series of false pontiffs - not one individual antichrist figure; and all of them posses within themselves only quasi-religious power. Politically and militarily, they are nothing. This is, to me, a sign that we are not nearing the end of the world. I think we are nearing the end of Vatican II, and possibly the current manifestation of the satanic global empire. But the end of all things is not yet.
The enemy is absolutely bent upon achieving the unification of military, political, and religious power in one individual man, right now. He is striving, and may even think he is imminently going to succeed. But things will go according to God's plans, not his.
In fact, it could go down like this: They get their man ready, they stage whatever mind-blowing catastrophe they think they need to hurl him into a position of universal dominion, and then, BAM, he is taken out by our Lady, a foreshadowing of Christ slaying the AC with the breath of His mouth.
Then is ushered in a new Age of the Church, which will sooner or later include the final descent of mankind into universal apostasy and the revelation of the man of sin.
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Indeed, the Church does not seem to be in her final battle with the antichrist. The facts you assert support the notion. But we are seeing shades and types and signs of things to come. For instance, though we do not see an individual man worshipped as God, and sitting in the temple of God, we do see the cult of unregenerate man now supplanting the True Religion, and an individual representative of this demonic cult now sitting in the place of the throne of St. Peter.
Indeed, and I believe more than one Traditionalist priest has pointed out that we are living through a preparation for Antichrist. Just as the ancient Jews returned to Judea without the Lost Tribes and had their expectation of Christ for hundreds of years, perhaps the last few centuries of rebellion against the Church have been preparation for a single point in time that will culminate in Antichrist. Of course, there were heresies prior to the Protestant Revolt, but we have only seen the problem intensify and escape following events such as Protestantism (1517) and the wars that resulted in the Treaty of Westphalia, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (1717) and its French Revolution, and finally, Communism (1917) and its unprecedented victory against the Church in the form of the Second Vatican Council.
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The latest from the Antichrist:
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2023-09/laudate-deum-to-be-title-of-pope-s-exhortation-on-climate.html
"Let us not forget that the noblest vocation of the human person is politics. Let us train our young people to be politicians, in the broadest sense of the term. Let us not forget that the noblest vocation of the human person is politics. We must train our young people to be politicians, in the broadest sense of the word. Not only to act in a political party, which is a small group, but to have political openness and to know how to dialogue with political groups with maturity, politics is not a disease, in my opinion it is the noblest vocation in a society, because it is the one that carries out development processes."
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Indeed, and I believe more than one Traditionalist priest has pointed out that we are living through a preparation for Antichrist. Just as the ancient Jews returned to Judea without the Lost Tribes and had their expectation of Christ for hundreds of years, perhaps the last few centuries of rebellion against the Church have been preparation for a single point in time that will culminate in Antichrist. Of course, there were heresies prior to the Protestant Revolt, but we have only seen the problem intensify and escape following events such as Protestantism (1517) and the wars that resulted in the Treaty of Westphalia, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (1717) and its French Revolution, and finally, Communism (1917) and its unprecedented victory against the Church in the form of the Second Vatican Council.
This stands out to me. I often hear the current situation as being framed with the Babylonian captivity but I forget the jews waited some time for Christ to come.