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Offline Angelus

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The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
« on: September 25, 2023, 05:38:40 PM »
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  • The Beast from the Sea described in Apocalypse chapter 13 and chapter 17 is the international political entity called "the Vatican City-State" legally founded on February 11, 1929. The Vatican City-State did not exist before 1929.

    There have been 7 legitimate heads/kings (monarchs) of this new political kingdom. The "Eighth" is not a true head/king because he is illegitimately-elected, and he "goes to perdition." He is the "destroyer," the Antichrist. So let's count the 7 legitimate kings:

    1. Pius XI
    2. Pius XII
    3. John XXIII
    4. Paul VI
    5. John Paul I
    6. John Paul II
    7. Benedict XVI

    So, "the Eighth" is Bergoglio. Who are the 10 horns? Those men are Bergoglio's Council of Cardinal Advisors (C9) + Bergoglio.

    All the Biblical prophecies are very near fulfillment. Bergoglio is the Beast from the Earth, the False Prophet, The Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition. The end time prophecies are talking mainly about the Crisis in the Church and its culmination with the Second Coming of Jesus. We should have a handful of years left before everything is done, but we are entering the critical phase with the Synod on Synodality.

    BTW, the Dimonds agree that the 7 kings of the Apocalypse start with Pius XI:



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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #1 on: September 25, 2023, 10:12:05 PM »
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  • This is one of those things I very much disagree with Dimonds on.  I don't think we're even in Apocalyptic times yet but rather a "type" of the Great Apostasy but not THE Great Apostasy. 

    If you take into consideration that they are (or could be wrong) on this issue that would change everything.


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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #2 on: September 26, 2023, 07:41:30 AM »
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  • I don't think we're even in Apocalyptic times yet but rather a "type" of the Great Apostasy but not THE Great Apostasy. 

    Agreed. Unless we see a supernatural man take the political stage, I think we are still dealing with something different. The Catholic Faith hasn't been exactly banned in favor of worshiping a particular human being, but a false counter-religion has obstructed it. We still haven't seen a man being worshiped as if he were God, in place of Christ.

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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #3 on: September 26, 2023, 08:22:43 AM »
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  • Realizing that no one knows the day and the hour and that deception is a key aspect of the Apocalypse is crucial for a correct understanding of it. Most people seem to expect an obvious antichrist who unambiguously proclaims himself god, builds a temple and demands worship. 

    That's nonsense of course, if that happened everyone would know he was the Antichrist and that the end will soon follow. The apocalyptic prophecies must be fulfilled in symbolic or hidden ways so as not to reveal the deception. This approach is fundamental to the conclusions the Dimonds reach.

    Everyone likes to say they are wrong but no one even attempts to explain the stunning evidence they present. What, it's all a big coincidence? Give me a break.

    An honest person evaluating the evidence without preconceived notions would start off by admitting there is a case to be made here and that he can't provide an alternative explanation for this and that but the theory fails because of X.

    I want to see someone actually debunk MHFM's theory. Pointing out unexplained things or this doesn't sound right is fine but let's not pretend it disproves anything. As things stand right now, no one has even attempted a more extensive and coherent end times explanation.


    Offline AnthonyPadua

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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #4 on: September 26, 2023, 08:42:48 AM »
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  • Realizing that no one knows the day and the hour and that deception is a key aspect of the Apocalypse is crucial for a correct understanding of it. Most people seem to expect an obvious antichrist who unambiguously proclaims himself god, builds a temple and demands worship.

    That's nonsense of course, if that happened everyone would know he was the Antichrist and that the end will soon follow. The apocalyptic prophecies must be fulfilled in symbolic or hidden ways so as not to reveal the deception. This approach is fundamental to the conclusions the Dimonds reach.

    Everyone likes to say they are wrong but no one even attempts to explain the stunning evidence they present. What, it's all a big coincidence? Give me a break.

    An honest person evaluating the evidence without preconceived notions would start off by admitting there is a case to be made here and that he can't provide an alternative explanation for this and that but the theory fails because of X.

    I want to see someone actually debunk MHFM's theory. Pointing out unexplained things or this doesn't sound right is fine but let's not pretend it disproves anything. As things stand right now, no one has even attempted a more extensive and coherent end times explanation.
    I don't recall seeing the dimonds address the 2 witnesses. Also anti-Christ is supposed to be killed by Christ?


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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #5 on: September 26, 2023, 08:57:03 AM »
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  • Quote
    BTW, the Dimonds agree that the 7 kings of the Apocalypse start with Pius XI:
    :jester:  The Diamonds also made an entire video on why JP2 was the antichrist.  :facepalm:  They are good on many areas of doctrine and theology, but not this topic.

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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2023, 12:10:58 PM »
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  • :jester:  The Diamonds also made an entire video on why JP2 was the antichrist.  :facepalm:  They are good on many areas of doctrine and theology, but not this topic.

    Pax Vobis has a point here, Marulus Fidelis. They are free to speculate like the rest of us, but they have this failed theory and their questionability as a source in general to contend with over the issue.

    Offline Angelus

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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2023, 12:19:17 PM »
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  • Agreed. Unless we see a supernatural man take the political stage, I think we are still dealing with something different. The Catholic Faith hasn't been exactly banned in favor of worshiping a particular human being, but a false counter-religion has obstructed it. We still haven't seen a man being worshiped as if he were God, in place of Christ.

    The Antichrist replacement theology is the not worship of "a man," but the worship of "man," humanity, humanism. It is the inversion of the "greatest commandment" and "the second commandment." The number 6 is the symbol for man (humanity), for Adam who was created on the 6th day of Creation. 666 is the making of humanity into a replacement of the Trinity, the unholy Trinity, the Trinity of the Beast, Satan.

    Matthew 22 (the greatest commandment)

    36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law?  37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.  38 This is the greatest and the first commandment.  39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.  40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

    Deuteronomy 6 (the phylacteries)

    1 These are the precepts, and ceremonies, and judgments, which the Lord your God commanded that I should teach you, and that you should do them in the land into which you pass over to possess it:  2 That thou mayst fear the Lord thy God, and keep all his commandments and precepts, which I command thee, and thy sons, and thy grandsons, all the days of thy life, that thy days may be prolonged.  3 Hear, O Israel, and observe to do the things which the Lord hath commanded thee, that it may be well with thee, and thou mayst be greatly multiplied, as the Lord the God of thy fathers hath promised thee a land flowing with milk and honey.  4 Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.  5 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole strength.  6 And these words which I command thee this day, shall be in thy heart:  7 And thou shalt tell them to thy children, and thou shalt meditate upon them sitting in thy house, and walking on thy journey, sleeping and rising.  8 And thou shalt bind them as a sign on thy hand, and they shall be and shall move between thy eyes.

    Apocalypse 13 (the mark of the beast)

    16 And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads.  17 And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  18 Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six.

    Here is a website that explains this replacement theology:

    https://www.humandevelopment.va/en/fratelli-tutti.html

    "No one is saved alone"

    The signs of the times clearly show that human fraternity and care of creation from the sole way towards integral development and peace


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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2023, 12:28:11 PM »
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  • ...

    It's been discussed on this site that it is the common opinion of the Church Fathers that the Antichrist will not be a system, but a single man who will ape Christ during his unholy duration on Earth. Here are some clips from Bp Williamson on the subject:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/an-opinion-on-the-coming-of-the-anti-christ/msg751515/#msg751515

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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #9 on: September 26, 2023, 12:33:56 PM »
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  • It's been discussed on this site that it is the common opinion of the Church Fathers that the Antichrist will not be a system, but a single man who will ape Christ during his unholy duration on Earth. Here are some clips from Bp Williamson on the subject:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/an-opinion-on-the-coming-of-the-anti-christ/msg751515/#msg751515

    Yes, the Antichrist (the man) is none other than Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the author of the Antichrist replacement theology, which can be found in his encyclical Fratelli Tutti. Again the quote from that encyclical:

    "No one is saved alone"

    The signs of the times clearly show that human fraternity and care of creation from the sole way towards integral development and peace

    Do you understand? Humanity, not Jesus, is going to SAVE the world. This new theology replaces Jesus with salvation through human cooperation.



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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #10 on: September 26, 2023, 12:38:06 PM »
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  • Once upon a time they thought Benedict XV was the first head of the beast and the lord maitreya was the antichrist :facepalm:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/YS9Qwvw6Hjht/


    https://www.todayscatholicworld.com/dims-refuted.htm








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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #11 on: September 26, 2023, 12:39:55 PM »
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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #12 on: September 26, 2023, 12:47:47 PM »
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  • Do you understand? Humanity, not Jesus, is going to SAVE the world. This new theology replaces Jesus with salvation through human cooperation.

    Yes, I know what you are trying to say here, but it is another modern novel opinion. I am writing that the common older opinion was not only that he will be a man, but he will demand worship as if he were God. This even corresponds with Sacred Scripture such as in the case of 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #13 on: September 26, 2023, 12:54:21 PM »
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  • Yes, I know what you are trying to say here, but it is another modern novel opinion. I am writing that the common older opinion was not only that he will be a man, but he will demand worship as if he were God. This even corresponds with Sacred Scripture such as in the case of 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

    The Antichrist will demand that people follow his replacement theology in order to remain (counterfeit) Catholic. So he will be "seated" in the "temple of God" and act "as if he is God," meaning he will act as if he can replace the teaching of Jesus with his humanistic replacement theology of salvation by human effort alone.

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    Re: The 7 Kings of the Apocalypse
    « Reply #14 on: September 26, 2023, 12:59:10 PM »
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  • The Antichrist will demand that people follow his replacement theology in order to remain (counterfeit) Catholic. So he will be "seated" in the "temple of God" and act "as if he is God," meaning he will act as if he can replace the teaching of Jesus with his humanistic replacement theology of salvation by human effort alone.

    Feel free to hold to your interpretation, but I don't think you have many buyers on here.