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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Caminus on March 08, 2012, 12:50:50 AM
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Revisionist History Newsletter no. 51: Agents of the Money Power - Glenn Beck and a Gang of Christ-Hating Shylocks Have Taken Over the Conservative Movement in America. This is the fourth installment in Hoffman's series on usury (see Revisionist History Newsletter issues no. 46 and 34, and no. 12) Sections include: Free Enterprise vs. Predatory Capitalism; Ludwig von Mises - Antichrist; Usury and the Koran; 375% Interest on a "Cash Store" Loan. Also: "The Fatima Distraction: A 93-Year-Old Prophecy About Bolshevik Russia is Distracting From Christianity's 2,000 Year Struggle with Judaism." Plus: cινιℓ ωαr statistics; "Liberty Central Inc." And: Mercy vs. Revenge in Christianity and Judaism as revealed by Shakespeare.
Hoffman applies his Jєωιѕн myopia to Fatima and completely misses the point. This is what happens when you focus all of your attention on one subject. It becomes the lense by which all reality is viewed, the key that unlocks the secret of history. The 2,000 year old struggle transcends even the Jews which are but one particular manifestation of the mystery of iniquity.
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Thanks Caminus.
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It may very well be that the Fatima prophecy about Russia correponds to its Jєωιѕн revolutionary leaders who took over in 1917, but I agree that Mr. Hoffman views things only through one lens.
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How Mr. Hoffman can call Our Lady's message, which still needs to be fully revealed, a distraction is beyond belief. :confused1:
Perhaps someone who read his article can let me know how he explains himself.
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I appreciate the views of Michael Hoffman and have read his book "Judaism's Strange Gods".
I would be inclined to completely discount his commentary on the Blessed Virgin's appearance to the children at Fatima. BTW, I'm still woefully underinformed on Fatima - but that's going to change.
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I think we'd need to read what he is actually saying before passing judgment from a headline.
Can you post the actual text of the article? You only have posted the cover as a picture.
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One can recognize the importance of Fatima while also recognizing that endless speculation over the "Third Secret" and the significance of the "Consecration of Russia" does serve to distract many people from the situation of the world today.
It's difficult to take calls for the Consecration of Russia entirely seriously when one looks at the current politics in the SSPX.
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One can recognize the importance of Fatima while also recognizing that endless speculation over the "Third Secret" and the significance of the "Consecration of Russia" does serve to distract many people from the situation of the world today.
It's difficult to take calls for the Consecration of Russia entirely seriously when one looks at the current politics in the SSPX.
If you believe that the current Magisterium is heretical and most of the bishops have invalid consecrations, then they do not represent the true faith. They could not and really would not consecrate Russia.
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One can recognize the importance of Fatima while also recognizing that endless speculation over the "Third Secret" and the significance of the "Consecration of Russia" does serve to distract many people from the situation of the world today.
It's difficult to take calls for the Consecration of Russia entirely seriously when one looks at the current politics in the SSPX.
If you believe that the current Magisterium is heretical and most of the bishops have invalid consecrations, then they do not represent the true faith. They could not and really would not consecrate Russia.
True.
Why do you think they won't release the Third Secret?
Because it condemns them.
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One can recognize the importance of Fatima while also recognizing that endless speculation over the "Third Secret" and the significance of the "Consecration of Russia" does serve to distract many people from the situation of the world today.
It's difficult to take calls for the Consecration of Russia entirely seriously when one looks at the current politics in the SSPX.
If you believe that the current Magisterium is heretical and most of the bishops have invalid consecrations, then they do not represent the true faith. They could not and really would not consecrate Russia.
True.
Why do you think they won't release the Third Secret?
Because it condemns them.
That is exactly the reason. It predicted Vatican 2 - the Great Apostacy. It needed to be reavealed by 1960, the year after V2 was announced because things would be clearer then, but Ratzinger says it was about JP2/Wojtyla.
Hmm.
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One can recognize the importance of Fatima while also recognizing that endless speculation over the "Third Secret" and the significance of the "Consecration of Russia" does serve to distract many people from the situation of the world today.
It's difficult to take calls for the Consecration of Russia entirely seriously when one looks at the current politics in the SSPX.
If you believe that the current Magisterium is heretical and most of the bishops have invalid consecrations, then they do not represent the true faith. They could not and really would not consecrate Russia.
True.
Why do you think they won't release the Third Secret?
Because it condemns them.
That is exactly the reason. It predicted Vatican 2 - the Great Apostacy. It needed to be reavealed by 1960, the year after V2 was announced because things would be clearer then, but Ratzinger says it was about JP2/Wojtyla.
Hmm.
Yep, I think exactly what you do!
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One can recognize the importance of Fatima while also recognizing that endless speculation over the "Third Secret" and the significance of the "Consecration of Russia" does serve to distract many people from the situation of the world today.
It's difficult to take calls for the Consecration of Russia entirely seriously when one looks at the current politics in the SSPX.
I think the Third Secret of Fatima and the Consecration of Russia are not only very important, but do play a role in the situation of the world today.
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I think the Third Secret of Fatima
It may well be important, but how do you know how it applies if you don't know what the secret is? Endless speculation about it tends to distract people from facts they can know about things.
and the Consecration of Russia are not only very important, but do play a role in the situation of the world today.
I believe in the apparition of Fatima, but I have more doubts about the secrets. When Bishop Fellay says we need 11 million rosaries for the Consecration of Russia, but hires some guy who publicly admires the singer Madonna Ciccone to be on the board of an SSPX girls' school, it's hard to take him seriously.
Say 11 million rosaries to consecrate Russia, but the Jews are our Elder Brothers, and Bishop Williamson is stuck in Wimbledon.
Sorry, but it's extremely difficult to this character seriously. Bishop Fellay distracts people with talk about Russia while this other character consorts with Zionists.
Catholics need to be aware of what's going on under their noses, but speculating about things they can't know, like the Third Secret, distracts them from what's under their nose, and men like Bishop Fellay understand that.
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It may well be important, but how do you know how it applies if you don't know what the secret is? Endless speculation about it tends to distract people from facts they can know about things.
It's obvious what the Third Secret is: It warns of the crisis in the Church and the great fall of all society.
I believe in the apparition of Fatima, but I have more doubts about the secrets. When Bishop Fellay says we need 11 million rosaries for the Consecration of Russia, but hires some guy who publicly admires the singer Madonna Ciccone to be on the board of an SSPX girls' school, it's hard to take him seriously.
Say 11 million rosaries to consecrate Russia, but the Jews are our Elder Brothers, and Bishop Williamson is stuck in Wimbledon.
I agree.
Catholics need to be aware of what's going on under their noses, but speculating about things they can't know, like the Third Secret, distracts them from what's under their nose, and men like Bishop Fellay understand that.
I think he's more distracted by the "reconciliation attempts" than anything else.
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I believe in the apparition of Fatima, but I have more doubts about the secrets. When Bishop Fellay says we need 11 million rosaries for the Consecration of Russia, but hires some guy who publicly admires the singer Madonna Ciccone to be on the board of an SSPX girls' school, it's hard to take him seriously.
Say 11 million rosaries to consecrate Russia, but the Jews are our Elder Brothers, and Bishop Williamson is stuck in Wimbledon.
Sorry, but it's extremely difficult to this character seriously. Bishop Fellay distracts people with talk about Russia while this other character consorts with Zionists.
Catholics need to be aware of what's going on under their noses, but speculating about things they can't know, like the Third Secret, distracts them from what's under their nose, and men like Bishop Fellay understand that.
I have to wonder if Hoffman doesn't say something similar to this (but again, the article appears to be criticized here without being posted to read(?) to judge this).
The reason I'm giving Hoffman the benefit of the doubt on this article's title is because I *can* think of ways in which Fatima could be used as a distraction, but do not know Hoffman's thesis.
I've wondered at the notion myself that people would be soo certain of Fatima's validity (which I believe) but doubt several conciliar Popes who venerate Fatima. You'd think they'd have put it in the Medjogorje bucket if it was so damaging to them. Its an odd behavior.
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Is Hoffman legitimate? He strikes me as odd. Thought that may not be a bad thing. I know he's a big cheerleader for the founding fathers.
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Fatima is a complete distraction. It is becoming positively embarassing.
Seems to be the buffer that allows for criticizing everything in Rome without going to the Dark Side, in other words, without becoming a Sede.
I'm convinced there are two types of people who post on boards about Fatima and the need for the Consecration.
People completely ignorant of the Faith.
Or, people who are tied to the Cottage Industry that has sprung up around it and make money off it in some way.
Like Chris Ferrara's secretary is told to post once in awhile about it on various forums. I suspect her name is Dawn Marie from AQ.
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Fatima is a complete distraction. It is becoming positively embarassing.
Seems to be the buffer that allows for criticizing everything in Rome without going to the Dark Side, in other words, without becoming a Sede.
I'm convinced there are two types of people who post on boards about Fatima and the need for the Consecration.
People completely ignorant of the Faith.
Or, people who are tied to the Cottage Industry that has sprung up around it and make money off it in some way.
Like Chris Ferrara's secretary is told to post once in awhile about it on various forums. I suspect her name is Dawn Marie from AQ.
The message of Our Lady of Fatima is but one of several messages. Pope Leo the XIII's Vision when he composed the St Michael the Archangel Prayer and required the Leonine Prayers after Low Mass - Our Lady of La Salette - Our Lady of Good Success in Ecuador - the Fact that Pope St Pius the X Required the Oath against Modernism - Are but a few examples of what these Holy People of GOD saw coming to fruition . There have been numerous others .
The common theme being - Pray the Holy Rosary - do penance - amendment of life - acts of charity - frequent the sacraments - offer sacrifice and suffering.
As for the Consecration of Russia - don't assume its merely because of communism.
Remember - the Russian Orthodox Church is in Schism -but what if it were to return and abjure ? How big would tradition be then? You see - there are endless possibilities - and nothing is impossible with GOD.
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Fatima is a complete distraction. It is becoming positively embarassing.
Seems to be the buffer that allows for criticizing everything in Rome without going to the Dark Side, in other words, without becoming a Sede.
I'm convinced there are two types of people who post on boards about Fatima and the need for the Consecration.
People completely ignorant of the Faith.
Or, people who are tied to the Cottage Industry that has sprung up around it and make money off it in some way.
Like Chris Ferrara's secretary is told to post once in awhile about it on various forums. I suspect her name is Dawn Marie from AQ.
I agree...if it weren't for Fatima, then what would the Society use as that buffer? What? Maybe they would of resorted to LaSalette or another private revelation.
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I agree with Malleus.
I'm not saying people should obsess over Fatima, or make it a requirement to be a Catholic, but its importance cannot be denied. An Independant Traditional priest once said that Fatima was the biggest thing to happen since the Resurrection.
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I agree with Malleus.
I'm not saying people should obsess over Fatima, or make it a requirement to be a Catholic, but its importance cannot be denied. An Independant Traditional priest once said that Fatima was the biggest thing to happen since the Resurrection.
There is nothing wrong with Fatima being considered of great importance...it is. But Fatima used as a political stick to wag at the faithful is not correct...it is the faith that is important. There are more than one private revelation...for some reason, the sspx seemed to latch onto Fatima and the Consecration of Russia...some, myself included, believe that the consecration was satisfactorily done...or that Fatima is no longer relevant for our time. One of the things that was said at Fatima was that in Portugal, the dogma of the Faith would always be preserved.....has it?
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bernie, you sound a little like Benedict. The flippancy with which Hoffman handles Fatima is telling of his spiritual well-being. He'd rather be a hip, contrarian journalist than a pious catholic.
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bernie, you sound a little like Benedict. The flippancy with which Hoffman handles Fatima is telling of his spiritual well-being. He'd rather be a hip, contrarian journalist than a pious catholic.
You are now passing judgement on not only me, but Hoffman. Why? Because I, (and Hoffman?) don't place Fatima at the head of my list of what it means to be Catholic? Because I (and Hoffman?) disagree with the SSPX party line and rosary crusade stunt? It has NEVER been incuмbent upon a Catholic to believe in ANY private revelation, including Fatima, throughout the entire history of the Church. And here you, act as though I (and another?) are less than Catholic because of my stance on Fatima. Pride and a sanctimonious attitude...two things that turn me off the most in "Traditional" Catholic behavior.
One can be a devout, pious and orthodox Catholic without lording it over everyone else...particularly those Catholics who have yet to realize and understand what we have lost since Vatican II...the truths of the Catholic faith and the importance of tradition.
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bernie, you sound a little like Benedict. The flippancy with which Hoffman handles Fatima is telling of his spiritual well-being. He'd rather be a hip, contrarian journalist than a pious catholic.
You are now passing judgement on not only me, but Hoffman. Why? Because I, (and Hoffman?) don't place Fatima at the head of my list of what it means to be Catholic? Because I (and Hoffman?) disagree with the SSPX party line and rosary crusade stunt? It has NEVER been incuмbent upon a Catholic to believe in ANY private revelation, including Fatima, throughout the entire history of the Church. And here you, act as though I (and another?) are less than Catholic because of my stance on Fatima. Pride and a sanctimonious attitude...two things that turn me off the most in "Traditional" Catholic behavior.
One can be a devout, pious and orthodox Catholic without lording it over everyone else...particularly those Catholics who have yet to realize and understand what we have lost since Vatican II...the truths of the Catholic faith and the importance of tradition.
But the events at Fatima can be multi layered and not simplisticly viewed . IMO - people place too great an emphasis on attempting to rectify the obvious issues of Vatican II By worldy means solely as if the human species is equipped to handle anything thrown its way by purely physical means.
The battle is not being waged by Temporal powers solely - but by Spiritual powers as well. We need to think beyond the external and instead of worrying about who lords over whom - understand that it is the Mother of GOD who has made the request. Now certainly no one here is going to say - every Catholic is required to Pray the Holy Rosary or risk excommunication. Or to attend Holy Mass on the First Saturday of Five consecutive months or out you go.
I am amused by the mentality of those who are quick to say what isnt required in order to save ones soul and the souls of others. But then I read accounts of Saints like the Cure of Ars who slept on Cold Stone floors and who cooked elaborate meals (And he was by all accounts a gifted chef) But himself would eat a potatoe and drink only water.
You see - it isnt in what we fail to do that earns merit and grace - but rather in what we do that we arent required to do in emulating Our Lord - who didnt have to suffer and die in the manner in which he did to save us - but instead chose to.
So I think that if we do in fact want to rectify what has been destroyed - we need not only all of the Catholic Church doing what you say makes one a good Catholic - for we all agree that the Sacraments are tantamount - but in addition to same - we all need to do more. How are we to gain the additional graces by doing less than before Vatican II. How are we going to fight both spiritually and temporily by doing less.
Certainly the Blessed Virgin Provided a Miracle - the Miracle of the Sun - witnessed by over 60,000 people with their own eyes. Pope Leo the XIII Composed the St Michael the Archangel Prayer and the Leonine Prayers are said after Holy Mass in Addition to Mass. So how can we as Catholics do more? Each individual can do more. Can I do more? Of course I can. And any Catholic who says they cannot do more is being less than truthful.
The bottom line IMO - is that Catholics today have to do more , not less. Does it mean going to Mass more often. Praying more often. Performing acts of Charity more often. Keeping from Sin more often. Becoming a better Catholic day by day? These are questions that are obvious to answer.
These heresies will end when enough Catholics finally decide to awaken from their spiritual slumber and do more than is required.
Pax
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bernie, you sound a little like Benedict. The flippancy with which Hoffman handles Fatima is telling of his spiritual well-being. He'd rather be a hip, contrarian journalist than a pious catholic.
You are now passing judgment on not only me, but Hoffman. Why? Because I, (and Hoffman?) don't place Fatima at the head of my list of what it means to be Catholic? Because I (and Hoffman?) disagree with the SSPX party line and rosary crusade stunt? It has NEVER been incuмbent upon a Catholic to believe in ANY private revelation, including Fatima, throughout the entire history of the Church. And here you, act as though I (and another?) are less than Catholic because of my stance on Fatima. Pride and a sanctimonious attitude...two things that turn me off the most in "Traditional" Catholic behavior.
One can be a devout, pious and orthodox Catholic without lording it over everyone else...particularly those Catholics who have yet to realize and understand what we have lost since Vatican II...the truths of the Catholic faith and the importance of tradition.
But the events at Fatima can be multi-layered and not simplistically viewed. IMO - people place too great an emphasis on attempting to rectify the obvious issues of Vatican II by worldly means, solely as if the human species is equipped to handle anything thrown its way by purely physical means.
The battle is not being waged by Temporal powers solely - but by Spiritual powers as well.
The battle is not being waged only by temporal powers but primarily by spiritual powers.
This is such an important theme. Books could be written on this alone. It is by
our cooperation with God's grace that we are sanctified, and pulled out of the
morass of evil that is our fallen world of sin and its effects. Everyone receives
God's grace, but anyone can choose to reject it. This is even true of the Pope,
which is something the sedes seem to miss.
And it is our penchant for complying with the unclean spirit of Vatican II that
is a corroboration with the DEVIL, in a mock imitation of what we should
be doing towards God and His grace, not toward the DEVIL and his perdition!
We need to think beyond the external and instead of worrying about who lords over whom - understand that it is the Mother of GOD who has made the request. Now certainly, no one here is going to say - every Catholic is required to Pray the Holy Rosary or risk excommunication. Or to attend Holy Mass on the First Saturday of Five consecutive months or out you go.
I am amused by the mentality of those who are quick to say what isn't required in order to save one's soul and the souls of others. But then I read accounts of Saints like the Cure of Ars, who slept on Cold Stone floors and who cooked elaborate meals (and he was by all accounts a gifted chef), but himself would eat a potato and drink only water.
Make that: "... he would eat a potato, often times a moldy potato, and drink
only water."
And St. Patrick -- people like to marvel at his miracles, but nobody is interested in
the penances he practiced voluntarily: penances like taking an ice bath
before going to bed, or for his meals a slice of toast wasn't sufficient for him - he
chose to eat a BURNT slice of toast.
All of the great saints, all throughout history, without exception, worked miracles
precisely because God was pleased with their voluntary penances.
So, is it the Catholic way to let someone ELSE do the penances? Certainly, that's
the Protestant way. Jesus did the "work" and we enjoy the benefits.
You see - it isn't in what we fail to do that earns merit and grace - but rather in what we do that we aren't required to do in emulating Our Lord - who didn't have to suffer and die in the manner in which he did to save us - but instead chose to.
This is such an excellent point, Malleus! Penances that we are not required to do
are the most pleasing to God; penances we take on voluntarily.
And in regards to Our Lord, when we realize that every single wound He received
in His Passion, each lash at the scourging, each thorn in His crown, each blow to
his face, each nail in His hands and feet -- none of these things had to harm Him,
for His body was not inherently subject to injury. It was impassible, like the
body of Adam was before the fall. It was evidenced as so at key points when, for example, the crowd was about to stone Him and he walked through their midst
without them being able to restrain Him. Why? It was not yet His "time." He
walked on the water because His body was not subject to injury by drowning.
Our Lord did not suffer because they tortured Him, but rather because He
ALLOWED their torture to affect Him that way. This realization takes His Passion to
a whole new level of awareness. He chose to suffer each injury to make
reparation for our sins. They were not His sins, but ours. And it is our own
selfishness by which we do not want to take any part in His voluntary penances.
As if hanging on the Cross for 3 hours when He could have just climbed down by
an act of His will isn't enough. Not a single nail could have injured His sacred
hands if He had not willed it so. Can you even imagine lying there on the cross,
and DESIRING the nails to injure your hands if you did not HAVE to endure it?
And Our Blessed Mother stood there in silence, in FULL KNOWLEDGE of what
was going on, FULLY AWARE that Her Son had the power to stop this absurd
blasphemy against the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, and more than that.
She also knew that all She had to do was to utter one, single word of petition
that He stop this scene, and He would have complied, immediately, with Her
request! She had the power to restrain the will of God. And She has that power
even now. But we, in our pride, our temerity, choose to say, "it's a private
revelation and we do not have to believe it."
What are we made of??????????
Why does the Immaculate Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen of Angels, Queen of Heaven,
House of Gold, Morning Star, Tower of David, Ark of the Covenant, want to have
anything to do with us worms, with us poor miserable sinners? Why?
So I think that if we do in fact want to rectify what has been destroyed - we need [to have] not only all of the Catholic Church doing what you say makes one a good Catholic - for we all agree that the Sacraments are tantamount - but in addition to same - we all need to do more. How are we to gain the additional graces by doing less than before Vatican II? How are we going to fight both spiritually and temporally by doing less?
Certainly the Blessed Virgin Provided a Miracle - the Miracle of the Sun - witnessed by over 60,000 people with their own eyes. Pope Leo XIII composed the St. Michael the Archangel Prayer, and the Leonine Prayers are said after Holy Mass in addition to [Low] Mass. So how can we as Catholics do more? Each individual can do more. Can I do more? Of course I can. And any Catholic who says they cannot do more is being less than truthful.
The bottom line IMO - is that Catholics today have to do more, not less. Does it mean going to Mass more often? Praying more often? [Fasting more often?]
Performing acts of Charity more often? Keeping from sin more often? Becoming a better Catholic day by day? These are questions that are obvious to answer.
These heresies will end when enough Catholics finally decide to awaken from their spiritual slumber and do more than is required.
Pax
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Your post, Malleus, gently reminding members of the importance of
Catholics doing penance with the proper intention, fell apparently on deaf
ears. Nobody has replied. Why? They couldn't find the thread? Well, maybe.
Other than that, the spirit of the world would be my guess. Catholics see
Protestants and pagans and Jews and Mohammedans and Buddhists and Hindus
and animists and atheists, all of whom were welcomed to Assisi III, and none of
whom do any penance in the main, but if any do it's with the wrong intention, and
all too many Catholics are jealous. They want the easy life. They got tired of
penance.................. .. Again.
The devil HATES penance done with the proper intention. So when the Church
tells non-Catholics they can be "better," a Hindu can be a better Hindu, and an
atheist a better atheist, without a mention of converting and becoming Catholic
and therefore practicing voluntary penances with the proper intention, the Church
is effectively turning to help the devil. This is the crux of the Third Secret of
Fatima. The world's Means of Salvation, Holy Mother Church, has become obscure,
and we no longer have the guiding voice of truth leading us to salvation but an
imposter voice of the DEVIL leading us to HELL.
"What do you want to do? TURN BACK THE CLOCK?" I actually heard this
question asked of me some 15 years ago when I tried to encourage Novus Ordo
parishoners to petition their pastor and their bishop to restore some of the
traditional penances of the Church, like abstinence from meat on Fridays. They
didn't want any part of it. The problem there is, abstinence from meat on Fridays
has never been abrogated. Do you ever hear that explained? In fact, not eating
meat on Fridays is the EASIER thing to do. If you don't do that, according to the
"new rule," you need to substitute some other equivalent penance. Key
word "equivalent." So if you don't want to give up having your chicken fillet for
lunch and your prime rib for Friday dinner, because you really, really like those
things, then you should find some other penance that would be really, really hard
to do, or maybe really, really, REALLY hard to do, just to be sure it's at LEAST as
hard as the meat thing. Because if it isn't at LEAST as challenging as no meat on
Friday, then the other thing you do, ON FRIDAY, to take its place is INSUFFICIENT.
Nobody likes to be told they have to do penance. The Protestants had a revolt
(which is why they're called PROTEST-ants) because they didn't want to be told
to do penance. That's pretty much the whole thing. No Penance (sacrament of),
no "works" and merits thereof, no Purgatory, and no Papal authority to tell them
otherwise. Now we have the Vatican II revolution, which is the French Revolution
in the Church, a "counter-Syllabus," and a softening toward Protestantism.
You made a good post 6 months ago and nobody has replied.
That looks a whole lot like nobody wants to do penance. Tell me if I'm wrong.
And this very thing is the reason, it seems to me, that there are Catholics alive
today, 95 years after 1917, who bluster at the thought that they should ever pay
one hoot of attention to the Mother of God's message.
"It's not dogma."
"It's a private revelation."
"Leave me alone and let me have my cake and eat it too."
Meanwhile, 600 million babies are aborted SINCE the Pope made the curiously
reticent "consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1984" without
mentioning Russia. Volumes could be written on that, too.
Meanwhile, "wars and rumors of wars" (Matt. xxiv. 6) continue unabated. We're
now on the brink of World War III, and Catholics don't want to do penance. And
they most certainly don't want to hear about it.
This is the justice of God:
Okay, you don't want to do penance with the proper intention?
Therefore, I shall send you a nice penance-package that you can't reject: WWIII.
Let's see if you change your tune, then.
People don't want to think about it, hear about it, or be reminded. Bernadette,
for example, wants no part of thinking about any so-called "Mother of God"
coming on a stupid cloud in a third world village in a dirty foreign country nobody
cares about, and she doesn't want to pay any attention to Our Lady's message at
Fatima for the very reason that it is a message of our need to do penance, with
the proper intention.
So there.
"Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon
had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had
long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, it shall
be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.
And thou, Capharnaum, shalt thou be exalted up to heaven ? thou shalt
go down even unto hell. For if in Sodom had been wrought the miracles
that have been wrought in thee, perhaps it had remained unto this day"
(Matt. xi. 21-23).
What manner of miracle was Fatima?
Never before in the history of the world had such a publicly prophesied
miracle, for a particular place, at a particular date and time, for a particular
purpose, ever been heard of. Never. All of the miracles of the Bible put
together do not add up to the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, and we have
so-called Catholics who dare to say they don't have to believe it.
"Woe to thee." It shall be more tolerable in the day of judgment for Corozain
and Bethsaida than for you......................
If it will be more tolerable in the day of judgment for Tyre and Sidon, and if
Sodom would perhaps have remained to this day had miracles been wrought
in her that had been wrought in Capharnaum, or Corozain or Bethsaida, where
does that leave modern Catholics who scoff at Fatima as a "private revelation"
or that we don't have to pay any attention to it? The miracles of Capharnaum,
Corozain and Bethsaida don't hold a candle to the Miracle of the Sun.
Here then would be (hypothetical case only!) the pecking order in hell, according to Our Lord, were He interpreted by due diligence and logical exegesis:
- Tyre and Sidon (least intolerable place in hell)
- Sodom (and Gomorrah - by inference) (lower place in hell, etc.)
- Corozain, Bethsaida and Capharnaum
- Those who mutter, "Fatima is a private revelation and we don't have to believe it."
Is that what modern Catholics in our pride are daring God to bring upon our
heads?
What did the 3 Fatima children do after those apparitions? Were their lives the
same? They had taken to doing the most extreme voluntary penances, with the
intention of making reparation for sins committed against the Immaculate Heart
of Mary, and offering sacrifices for the Holy Father. They never said WHICH
Holy Father. And therefore, the principle holds for every Holy Father that would
come in the future, and for every Catholic who would be born in the future, until
the end of time. We only have this life to do penance. When it's over, it's over.
Forever and ever. Amen. Et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.
This has always been a Catholic doctrine, but it had been forgotten, so Our Lady
came to Fatima to remind us poor, forgetful creatures.
But most of us don't want to be reminded.
We don't call Her Our Lady of Sorrows for nothing. She mourns for US!
Your post, Malleus, is so good, I'd like to summarize it:
- we miss out by attempting to rectify the obvious issues of Vatican II by worldly means - it is primarily a spiritual battle
- think beyond the external, and instead of worrying about who lords over whom - understand that it is the Mother of GOD who has made the request
- the mentality of those who are quick to point out what isn't required in order to save one's soul and the souls of others - this does NOT please God
- it's what we do that we aren't required to do in emulating Our Lord that truly pleases God