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Offline Last Tradhican

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The "All Religions Worship the Same God as Catholics" Canard
« on: August 01, 2017, 12:40:42 PM »
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    Poche said: If the Jєωs don't worship the one true God then neither do we. The God of the Old Testament is the same God as the God of the New Testament.

    Last Tradican Responded:
     
    If what you say were true, that the Jєωs worship the same Most Holy Trinity, then we can say the same of the Muslims, Hindus, Bhuddists and all "religions" that believe in a creator God. The only source for that teaching in Church history is Vatican II. Read this article https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/803-the-pointlessness-of-the-catholic-muslim-same-god-debate
     
     And here is the bottom line from the article:


    The Pre-Conciliar Church, focusing on salvation of non-Catholics in Her role as guardian of souls, once rightly pointed out the fatal deficiencies in false religion and the need for the conversion of non-Christians for salvation. The Council docuмents, in contrast, shifted perspective from a concerned Mother warning non-Christian souls of danger, to the perspective of an observer who praises non-Christians for the elements of truth they get correct.
    This latter approach is similar to a doctor praising a patient for eating a good diet, having good blood pressure, and maintaining low cholesterol while neglecting to tell him he has cancer. Indeed, what good does it do one to worship a Creator, yet reject Christ and the Church He established for salvation? As St. Paul said, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
     


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    Poche responded:  Those who believe in the great God of all creation who rules over everyone worship  the same God that we as Catholics worship. When Cortez preached to the Aztecs they said that they were ready to accept the faith in the one true God. However the understanding of who this one true God is clouded. It is still the one true God and it is on this foundation that we build the house of our evangelization.   


    Last Tradhican answered: Tell that to all the Spaniards and their Indian allies and all the Aztecs who died for no good reason according to your understanding of history. Since they all worshiped the same God and were ready to accept the faith in the one true God.  You do not have any concept of the history of Cortez, Mexico or the Aztecs.   
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: The "All Religions Worship the Same God as Catholics" Canard
    « Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 01:02:29 PM »
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    The Pre-Conciliar Church, focusing on salvation of non-Catholics in Her role as guardian of souls, once rightly pointed out the fatal deficiencies in false religion and the need for the conversion of non-Christians for salvation. The Council docuмents, in contrast, shifted perspective from a concerned Mother warning non-Christian souls of danger, to the perspective of an observer who praises non-Christians for the elements of truth they get correct.
    This latter approach is similar to a doctor praising a patient for eating a good diet, having good blood pressure, and maintaining low cholesterol while neglecting to tell him he has cancer. Indeed, what good does it do one to worship a Creator, yet reject Christ and the Church He established for salvation? As St. Paul said, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
    The writer must not know about salvation by belief in a God that rewards, for CathInfo's Lover of Truth  would tell you that they can be saved, as that is practically the only subject he writes about here.

    Combine the heresy of CathInfo's Lover of Truth and the Vatican II church that people can be saved without belief in Christ (or the Holy Trinity, or water baptism, or explicit desire to be a Catholic) and the Vatican II teaching that all religions who worship a creator god  worship the same God as the Catholic Church, and you end up a perfect conciliarists (member of the Vatican II sect) and ecuмenist.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24