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Offline JustCatholic

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Teresa
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2009, 08:11:22 AM »
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    Teresa said:
    In following my own bliss - which is the Truth found in Catholicism - I found I didn't have to change who I was on the outside, but instead needed a change of heart.  And I found God was waiting right here all along, within myself.


    Why would anyone hypercritically find fault with this? It is pure Catholicism. Sts Francis and Theresa would agree in joy. Catholicism serves Jesus, not itself.
    WipeO my Typos and may the good God  bless thee. Spiritual eyes,  not the physical, buys, however hard one tries.


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    Teresa
    « Reply #61 on: November 09, 2009, 08:45:44 AM »
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  • The words contain implicit heresy; that God is within members of false religions.  He is not - or do you hold this heresy?  The discussion seems to have revealed that it was not intended in a heretical manner anyway.

    For you to "hypercritically" insist that every materially, implicitly or potentially heretical statement should just be ignored is to condone or at least make light of heresy.  If such statements remain without correction or clarification on a "TRADITION CATHOLIC" forum, then who knows what it might grow into in this or that unwary person's soul?

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    Non-judgmentalism (heresy).


    Judging falsely and knowingly (mortal sin)


    Are you saying that the belief that one can never admonish another's sin is a correct belief?


    I'll take your silence as a concession.


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    So to answer your question, I would use the prayer to the saints method as often as you throw a "hail mary" pass in football. The only exception is St. Michael , who has always stood for strength against the enemy. (was Pope Leo XIII thinking the same thing? ) You need good angels to keep the demons off your back, not invite them in with false apparitions.


    What about the Scriptural evidence that shows we have a better chance to be heard before God when we pray through holy intercessors?  What about all the saints who promoted devotion to the Most Holy Virgin?

    What about Blessed Louis de Montfort's True Devotion to Mary, which he called the SUREST ROAD to salvation?

    Do you write all this stuff off?

    I just remember a Protestant boss I once had who said to me "I don't need no Mary and no saints, I go straight to the Man."

    Right, Ray.  Because you're His favourite Anglican heretic?


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    Teresa
    « Reply #62 on: November 09, 2009, 10:10:14 AM »
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    What about the Scriptural evidence that shows we have a better chance to be heard before God when we pray through holy intercessors?

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      I would like to see the scriptural references also.


     But to encourage the idea that in general, Jesus does not answer prayers does not seem prudent. Thoughts like that would put a hex on effective prayers. You just turned prayers to Jesus as the "hail mary pass" and prayers to a "Mary" as the "One" who is able to dispense more answers to prayers than Jesus.  Kinda twisted

      I think scripture recommends fasting (like in the desert) for effective prayers. Also in the temptation of Jesus, correct understanding of scripture was used to rebuke the devil. That's the way Catholics need to rebuke the devils in the Vatican. .

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    Teresa
    « Reply #63 on: November 09, 2009, 11:22:15 AM »
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    Right, Ray.  Because you're His favourite Anglican heretic?


    What? Please explain what this is supposed to mean.
    WipeO my Typos and may the good God  bless thee. Spiritual eyes,  not the physical, buys, however hard one tries.

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    « Reply #64 on: November 09, 2009, 11:22:20 AM »
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    and T. also directed a question to Raoul in an NFP context as to why people should concern themselves with what anyone else is doing.


    Wrong.  I never said, "We should never concern ourselves with what anyone else is doing."  Jesus tells us to call sin for what it is.  However, some *here* seem to delight in calling some things sins when they may or may not be.  Some here also seem to be pointing fingers and labeling people, rather than sins.  Christ himself said, "Hypocrites, take the beam out of your own eye before you ask your brethren to remove the log out of their eye."  

    That is what I am alluding to.  I mean, don't you guys have enough to concern yourselves with just keeping yourselves in line?  To try to get a complete picture of anyone "online" is impossible anyway.  What a waste of time.....

    Teresa
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    Teresa
    « Reply #65 on: November 09, 2009, 11:32:09 AM »
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    That is what I am alluding to.  I mean, don't you guys have enough to concern yourselves with just keeping yourselves in line?  To try to get a complete picture of anyone "online" is impossible anyway.  What a waste of time.....


    How true. This is the very Gospel, Teresa.
    WipeO my Typos and may the good God  bless thee. Spiritual eyes,  not the physical, buys, however hard one tries.

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    « Reply #66 on: November 09, 2009, 12:39:12 PM »
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    Teresa said:
    In following my own bliss - which is the Truth found in Catholicism - I found I didn't have to change who I was on the outside, but instead needed a change of heart.  And I found God was waiting right here all along, within myself.


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    Why would anyone hypercritically find fault with this? It is pure Catholicism. Sts Francis and Theresa would agree in joy. Catholicism serves Jesus, not itself.


    They find fault with this because it was said by Joseph Campbell, who was a fallen-away Catholic.  They interpret it as telling people, "If it feels good, do it."  But that is not how Campbell intended it, nor I, which I've already explained.  Thanks for the support JC.  I just have the ability (as you seem to also) to see the good within anything.  I can read Campbell, and other authors who are non-Catholics, and see where their thinking matches that of Christ.  I even have a book entitled "Living Buddha, Living Christ" which points out how similar their teachings were.  Am I a Buddhist?  Heck no!  Jesus said he is the way and the life, and so I worship Him (in Catholicism) only.  Some people are just quick to shoot down teachings from other people because they believe everything outside of Christ is flat-out wrong.

    Teresa
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    « Reply #67 on: November 09, 2009, 12:46:44 PM »
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    Forgive me Belloc, I missed responding to part of our discussion.

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    God is the soul


    You know that's heresy right?


    I meant to say that God dwells in our souls, if his own choice. Sorry, mis-typed again.....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic