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Offline ProLife

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Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
« on: July 01, 2019, 01:22:15 PM »
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  • https://lifepetitions.com/petition/holy-father-please-don-t-change-the-our-father

    LifeSiteNews is combining forces with the Ruth Institute on a petition of monumental significance for all Catholics...literally, the Word of God.
    As you may have heard, Pope Francis recently changed the Italian translation of the words of the Lord’s Prayer. And now, there are reports that he is considering changing the English translation as well. [See links below]
    This petition, therefore, politely, but firmly, asks the Holy Father to allow the status quo to remain as is with the Our Father.
    The proposed change is from the familiar, “Lead us not into temptation,” to “do not abandon us to temptation.”
    Dutch Biblical scholar Fr. Reto Nay explains that this new translation is not true to the original text: 
    "The text of the Our Father is passed down to us in the New Testament, which was written in ancient Greek. The phrase "and lead us not into temptation" is contained both in Mt 6:13 and Lk 11:4 with identical wording. … This means that the wording of the prayer cannot be blamed on a transmission error or misunderstanding."
    Continuous repetition of the basic prayers has embedded these words deeply into our psyches. The effort required to undo those familiar words will disrupt our pattern of prayer, and cause confusion among the faithful. 

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
    « Reply #1 on: July 01, 2019, 01:49:55 PM »
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  • Unfortunately, changing a few words in the Our Father is not even a drop in the bucket.  Now a petition asking Francis to resign so we can possibly get a real, Catholic pope ... that I could get behind.


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    Re: Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
    « Reply #2 on: July 01, 2019, 04:45:05 PM »
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  • Unfortunately, changing a few words in the Our Father is not even a drop in the bucket.  Now a petition asking Francis to resign so we can possibly get a real, Catholic pope ... that I could get behind.
    ... and still, where would we find a Cardinal elector who would be a real Catholic?

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
    « Reply #3 on: July 03, 2019, 07:06:44 AM »
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  • Pope Francis needs to be run out of there along with his sodomite devil worshipping buddies.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Re: Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
    « Reply #4 on: August 27, 2019, 04:38:43 AM »
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  • Someone on another forum said the following;
    Yeah…that’s why I was so confused when the English version was on the process of being changed, while it changed already years ago in other languages.
    We also had a new liturgical translation of the Bible, which our immediate family came into contact after we converted. We like it better than the Protestant Korean version.
    @OddBird 네, 만나서 반갑습니다. 주님의 축복이 항상 있기를 빕니다.
     (Yes, it’s nice to meet you! May the Lord’s blessing be with you, always.)

    https://forums.catholic.com/t/thoughts-on-pope-francis-changing-the-our-father/563502/26


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    Re: Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
    « Reply #5 on: September 05, 2019, 08:12:50 AM »
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  • And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.” --- (2 Thes 10)


    Surely the above shows us that Francis has never read the Bible when trying to change 'lead us not into temptation.'

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    Re: Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
    « Reply #6 on: September 09, 2019, 08:18:30 AM »
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  • And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.” --- (2 Thes 10)


    Surely the above shows us that Francis has never read the Bible when trying to change 'lead us not into temptation.'
    It wasn't Pope Francis. It was the work of the Italian bishops.  

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
    « Reply #7 on: September 09, 2019, 10:39:47 AM »
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  • It wasn't Pope Francis. It was the work of the Italian bishops.  
    The monster himself said:

    “…the memory of him [Jesus] who has made himself sin, who has made himself the devil, the serpent, for us; he has humbled himself to the point of complete annihilation.”
    April 4, 2017


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    Socci, who is a native Italian speaker, also called attention to the matter on his Facebook page. His article in Libero is entitled,”‘That Devil Jesus’. Words of Bergoglio.” This article itself is not available online but the author just posted a follow-up article that was published in Libero today, Apr. 6:

    What exactly did Francis say? The official summary (with copious verbatim quotes) of his April 4, 2017 sermon at the Casa Santa Marta appears in the Vatican’s own newspaper, Osservatore Romano, vol. CLVII, n. 79 (Apr. 5, 2017). It is also found on the Vatican web site:

    An official and complete English translation of the text has not been released, but Vatican Radio has published an English summary, which, however, omits the most explosive portion of the homily and does not do justice to the original Italian text found on the Vatican web site:

    In this homily, Francis continually emphasizes how Christ “became sin” for us (mentioning this phrase as many as seven times), and he exaggerates it beyond its orthodox meaning. It appears he enjoys doing so by the sheer repetition and undue emphasis of this phrase. This isn’t new for him — he has done it before, as for example in his homily of June 15, 2013, in which he claimed that Christ “became the sinner” for us, and in his sermon of March 15, 2016, in which he asserted that our Lord “became sin” and “a serpent”.
    This time, however, Francis managed to outdo himself, virtually eclipsing his prior utterances. Speaking of the Cross, the Crucifix, as the badge of the Christian, Francis called it “the memory of him who has made himself sin, who has made himself the devil, the serpent, for us; he has humbled himself to the point of complete annihilation.” The exact Italian reads: “come memoria di colui che si è fatto peccato, che si è fatto diavolo, serpente, per noi; si è abbassato fino ad annientarsi totalmente“. These words are printed on the Vatican web site as linked above.
    Under the cloak of admiring God’s humility, Francis claims that Jesus Christ Himself is the devil! Once again, Bergoglio shows himself firmly ensconced in the camp of his real masters, the apostate Jews, for this was the same insult the unbelieving Pharisees hurled at our Lord, as He lamented: “they have called the goodman of the house Beelzebub” (Mt 10:25; cf. Mt 12:24-30; Jn 8:52).
    A more staggering blasphemy than to say that God is Satan cannot be imagined!
    And yet there it is, right there on the various web sites of the Vatican.

    https://novusordowatch.org/2017/04/francis-christ-made-himself-devil/


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    Re: Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2019, 03:23:10 PM »
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  • It wasn't Pope Francis. It was the work of the Italian bishops.  
    The Pope gives directions to those Italian Bishops. 

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    Re: Tell Pope Francis to leave the Our Father alone!
    « Reply #9 on: September 11, 2019, 11:49:15 PM »
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  • The Pope gives directions to those Italian Bishops.
    They had been discussing this even before he became Pope.

     

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