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Offline stevusmagnus

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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2009, 06:25:02 PM »
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It would be correct, however, to say he consecrates and confects sacraments validly, albeit sacrilegiously, due to their illegal nature, the bishop having lost the right to confect them.


Just like Sede bishops..
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Offline stevusmagnus

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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2009, 06:31:42 PM »
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CM,

Now you are saying canonizations are fallible? So we cannot be sure canonized Saints are in Heaven?

So St. Peter may be in Hell right now in your world?



St. Peter is not a canonized saint.  What planet are you from?


Ok, you are technically right, but you know what is coming.

So St. Thomas Aquinas may be in Hell right now in your world?
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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2009, 06:32:40 PM »
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Quote from: Catholic Martyr
It would be correct, however, to say he consecrates and confects sacraments validly, albeit sacrilegiously, due to their illegal nature, the bishop having lost the right to confect them.


Just like Sede bishops..


The heretical and schismatic ones, of course!

But separating from fallen Rome does not constitute schism.
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Offline stevusmagnus

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« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2009, 06:39:01 PM »
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It would be correct, however, to say he consecrates and confects sacraments validly, albeit sacrilegiously, due to their illegal nature, the bishop having lost the right to confect them.


Just like Sede bishops..


The heretical and schismatic ones, of course!

But separating from fallen Rome does not constitute schism.


Sedes are heretics as they deny the current Pope as valid and believe in private judgment. In addition they are in schism as they also deny the Pope's rightful authority over them.
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« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2009, 06:39:13 PM »
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So St. Thomas Aquinas may be in Hell right now in your world?


It is only possible, in so far as it was not God who revealed St. Thomas' sanctity, but an authoritative, albeit human, act of the Roman Pontiff.  The fact is that the pope did not know the subjective conscience of St. Thomas.  

Otherwise you have to say that it was revealed by the Holy Ghost.  If it was revealed by the Holy Ghost privately to the pope, then it is not public revelation and is not to be believed as dogma or binding on the Church.

But the pope makes his canonization binding by virtue of his authority, so it cannot be said to be a private revelation, but PUBLIC DIVINE REVELATION, if it is infallible.

Or it is an act of the pope in his fallible capacity, and while binding on the Church, is NOT infallible, is NOT Divine revelation, nor is it part of the Deposit of Faith (like St. Peter's sanctity).
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