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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Francis’ True Legacy - mhfm
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  • Good video on what Francis has done.

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    Re: Francis’ True Legacy - mhfm
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 07:06:21 AM »
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  • I've seen that phrase, "Pope Francis reached out to the most marginalized and vulnerable" over and over again by mainstream news outlets and by his supporters after his death was announced. 
    It's similar to the kind of talking points disseminated by political parties. Remember "safe and effective"
    Whom they meant by "marginalized and vulnerable" were code words for sodomites and trannies and these
    groups are anything but marginalized or vulnerable. They are in fact the most privileged groups in all of society...after joos of course. They have an entire month celebrating their "lifestyle" They are fawned over in media. We even have to fund their frankenstein gender reassignment surgeries. When they go on a mass shooting spree the authorities together with the media obscure or bury any mention of their orientation. 
     


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    Re: Francis’ True Legacy - mhfm
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 05:50:02 PM »
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  • I've seen that phrase, "Pope Francis reached out to the most marginalized and vulnerable" over and over again by mainstream news outlets and by his supporters after his death was announced.
    It's similar to the kind of talking points disseminated by political parties. Remember "safe and effective"
    Whom they meant by "marginalized and vulnerable" were code words for sodomites and trannies and these
    groups are anything but marginalized or vulnerable. They are in fact the most privileged groups in all of society...after joos of course. They have an entire month celebrating their "lifestyle" They are fawned over in media. We even have to fund their frankenstein gender reassignment surgeries. When they go on a mass shooting spree the authorities together with the media obscure or bury any mention of their orientation.
     
    All while whites (a minority) get suppressed and attacked on every side. Also it's good that they showed that clip of Sarah praising anti-Pope JP2 and calling him a saint, shows where he stands.

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    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 06:02:45 PM »
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  • All while whites (a minority) get suppressed and attacked on every side. Also it's good that they showed that clip of Sarah praising anti-Pope JP2 and calling him a saint, shows where he stands.

    Yeah, both he and Burke (the two most "conservative" they have) lavish praise on the heresiarch Wojtyla the Great ... who was the greatest purveyor of religious indifferentism who's ever sat (physically) on the Chair of Peter.  OK, so they like the Tridentine Mass.  Big deal.  These two are part of the problem, not part of the solution that the Trad, Inc. grifters claim they are.

    I just watched Matt's latest report from Rome.  Matt, Marshall, et al. should be the first ones excommunicated by name by the new Holy Pope, reserved to the Holy See, only to be lifted if they are permanently silenced and get real jobs, even if it's just a McDonald's ... and all their publications need to be put on the Index.

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    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 06:13:43 PM »
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  • You also have the tragedy of Trad Catholicism exemplified in the clips from Father Jenkins.

    By just casually asking for prayers for the repose of Bergoglio's soul, he's also promoting the spirit of religious indifferentism behind all of Vatican II.  OK, so you have a public manifest heretic (so you claim) and you just casually pray for them as if there's a decent hope of their salvation.  He did the same for "Queen" Elizabeth when she died.  They subscribe to the same spirit of religious indifferntism that's behind Vatican II.

    Now, I believe that it is permitted to pray for such as these ... but only with the HEAVIEST of qualifications.  Dimond Brothers cite multiple popes who condemned the practice of publicly (and not just liturgically as many claim this means) calling for prayers for deceased heretics.  Why?  Because, unqualified, it leads to religious indifferentism and inculcates the mentality that there's good/decent hope that such might be saved.  IF they were saved by some extraordinary and miraculous divine illumination in the moments before their deaths, that one-in-a-million (as St. Alphonsus characterized it) chance does not offset the pernicious religious indifferentism that results from just casually asking for prayers.

    Perhaps IF the request was heavily qualified with.  "We can perhaps pray that he converted in the past, since the future is present to God in eternity as much as the present is" ... but that's about it ...

    So, here's the thing.  IF Bergoglio was saved by some miracle, then he's saved.  There's no urgency in praying for him, and a prolonged stay in Purgatory is very much what he deserves, and as we know God only applies prayers to souls in Purgatory in His Mercy, freeing Bergs of a little Purgatory time, maybe ... absolutely does NOT justify the damage done to faith by asking prayers for the repose of Bergoglio's soul.

    So, Fr. Jenkins, either you believe that heresy removes someone from membership in the Church or you don't ... as that's what the SV thesis is based on.  Then either you believe there's salvation outside the Church or you don't.  Way he talks, he gives the impression that manifest heresy is "no big deal" and that's it's perfectly possible for Jorge to have been saved.  As such, people like Fr. Jenkins and the 95%+ of Trad clergy who also think this way are, again, part of the theological PROBLEM, not the solution ... since they don't actually comprehend the theological cause of this crisis.  In fact, since they believe non-Catholics can be saved, they haven't a leg to stand on in rejecting Vatican II, since every single error there rests on this same ecclesiology that they themselves hold.


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    Re: Francis’ True Legacy - mhfm
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  • You also have the tragedy of Trad Catholicism exemplified in the clips from Father Jenkins.

    By just casually asking for prayers for the repose of Bergoglio's soul, he's also promoting the spirit of religious indifferentism behind all of Vatican II.  OK, so you have a public manifest heretic (so you claim) and you just casually pray for them as if there's a decent hope of their salvation.  He did the same for "Queen" Elizabeth when she died.  They subscribe to the same spirit of religious indifferntism that's behind Vatican II.
    I find it so strange that priests of the SSPV will ask for prayers for the the heads of the Anglican and novus ordo churches but, will refuse last rites to those who deny bod on their deathbed. 

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    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 08:31:20 PM »
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  • I find it so strange that priests of the SSPV will ask for prayers for the the heads of the Anglican and novus ordo churches but, will refuse last rites to those who deny bod on their deathbed.
    I don't think it's that strange, because while they claim to accept EENS they deny it in practice. Ask any of these priests if a protestant, Muslim, jew, Hindu, etc. can be saved and they will most likely answer something to the effect of "Well, we can't say for certain, but anything is possible with God, yada yada". The answer is NO. Anyone who dies a protestant is damned, anyone who dies a Muslim is damned, anyone who dies a jew is damned. Anyone who dies anything other than a Catholic in a state of grace is damned. The "traditional" or "orthodox" position on BOD is that it applies to catechumens ONLY. If they truly believed that there is no salvation outside the Church, they would not be publicly calling for prayers for dead non-Catholics

    And I hope God in His infinite mercy grants the grace of final perseverance to the faithful wickedly denied last rites, and the sacraments in general, by these priests. I'm not sure if there is a more heinous betrayal of the faithful than when those who are supposed to be Alter Christus deny them Divine aid when they are most in need of it
    If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you [John 15:108

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    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 08:54:55 PM »
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  • The ironic thing is that a Novus Ordo priest is probably more likely to give last rites to a Catholic who denies BOD/B than a priest belonging to certain trad groups is. The Novus Ordo priest accepts V2, the conciliar position that anyone who is "good" will be saved, and believes denying BOD to be an error, yet will provide the sacraments anyways out of "mercy"..The trad priest will say he rejects V2, but he will just couch his denial of EENS in different terms, and will deny the sacraments to the worthy faithful 
    If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you [John 15:108


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    Re: Francis’ True Legacy - mhfm
    « Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 10:45:59 PM »
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  • The ironic thing is that a Novus Ordo priest is probably more likely to give last rites to a Catholic who denies BOD/B than a priest belonging to certain trad groups is. The Novus Ordo priest accepts V2, the conciliar position that anyone who is "good" will be saved, and believes denying BOD to be an error, yet will provide the sacraments anyways out of "mercy"..The trad priest will say he rejects V2, but he will just couch his denial of EENS in different terms, and will deny the sacraments to the worthy faithful
    From their point of view the bod deniers are following an excommunicated person, fr. Feeney, and are therefore unworthy. My contention is that they only apply this to people who deny bod. 

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  • From their point of view the bod deniers are following an excommunicated person, fr. Feeney, and are therefore unworthy. My contention is that they only apply this to people who deny bod.
    Yet they are wrong as Fr Feeneys excommunication was
    1. invalid since it was done by a heretic 
    2. Over disobedience not anything he taught 
    3. Retracted