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Offline Stubborn

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Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2023, 04:59:38 AM »
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  • LOL

    Glory be to God! 

    smh

    No matter what I do, the post above puts the strike through formatting in the words I post.


    I've tried to remove them with all the usual methods to no avail.


    Deo Gratias!  St Michael defend us! 
    Fixed it for you.....

    First FOCUS Missionary (Opus Dei) ordained priest Fr. Nix "know for a fact that at least one other Cardinal in the world is questioning" Pope Benedict's "Valid Resignation"

    https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2022/12/fr-nix-bishop-gracida-of-texas-is-great.html


    and he is clearly a "Bennyvacantist" who promotes the idea that poor, poor apostate Benedict had to flee the Vatican and was forced to resign.

    (The Bishop in White from the fake 3rd Secret ??  smh)

    He was against the C-vax but continued to support the "Vax-Daddy" as if that makes any sense at all.

    He is good friends with Mel Gibson and Taylor Marshall and Fr Altman who are forming the Coalition for "Cancelled Priests" in the same lines as Sol Invictus (Lucifer) worshiper Archbishop Vigano.

    They recognize the pope and magisterium but are leading the way to resisting them

    which is schism.

    It's the whole plan for taking down the strawman church by "resisting" them.    smh

    This is REVOLUTION



    From Fr Nix Blog:

    https://padreperegrino.org/2021/04/life-update-2021-04-17/





    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #31 on: September 23, 2023, 07:37:35 AM »
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  • LOL

    Glory be to God! 

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    No matter what I do, the post above puts the strike through formatting in the words I post.


    I've tried to remove them with all the usual methods to no avail.


    Deo Gratias!  St Michael defend us! 

    There was probably an [ s ] (remove the spaces) at the beginning of the strikethrough.  It probably reads "Fr. Nix know[ s ] ..."

    If you have one of these formatting "tags", then it'll keep the formatting until it finds an [/s] to end the formatting.  Same thing happens with [ i ] (Italics) and [ b ] (Bold).


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #32 on: September 23, 2023, 11:20:43 AM »
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  • BENEDICT XVI PROMOTES THAT JEWS SHOULD NOT BE CONVERTED


    Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth – Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, 2011, p. 45: “Hildegard Brem comments on this passage as follows: ‘In the light of Romans 11:25, the Church must not concern herself with the conversion of the Jews, since she must wait for the time fixed for this by God, ‘until the full number of the Gentiles come in’ (Rom 11:25).”

    Maybe that is why he wears this hat???




    Benedict XVI quotes approvingly from Hildegard Brem, who teaches that the Church should not convert Jews. Benedict XVI doesn’t contradict the teaching, but promotes it and agrees with it. This is complete and total apostasy. On the next page, he even expands upon the point. He declares that the Jews retain their own “mission.”

    Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth – Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, 2011, p. 46: “Moreover, we have seen that the nucleus of Jesus’ eschatological message includes the proclamation of an age of the nations, during which the Gospel must be brought to the whole world and to all people: only then can history attain its goal.

    In the meantime, Israel retains its own mission. Israel is in the hands of God, who will save it ‘as a whole’ at the proper time, when the number of Gentiles is complete. The fact that that historical duration of this period cannot be calculated is self-evident and should not surprise us.”

    According to him, the Jews don’t need to be converted because they retain their own mission and are “in the hands of God.” Of course, this is a denial of Jesus Christ, the Gospel, the Catholic faith, and many dogmas. That’s also why we saw him encourage the Chief Rabbi of Rome in his “mission.”

    Benedict XVI, Address to Chief Rabbi of Rome, Jan. 16, 2006: “Distinguished Chief Rabbi, you were recently entrusted with the spiritual guidance of Rome’s Jєωιѕн Community; you have taken on this responsibility enriched by your experience as a scholar and a doctor who has shared in the joys and sufferings of a great many people. I offer you my heartfelt good wishes for your mission, and I assure you of my own and my collaborators’ cordial esteem and friendship.”


    https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/jesus-of-nazareth-holy-week-anti-pope-benedict-xvi/



    You can find more on this topic here:


    https://novusordowatch.org/2018/11/benedict16-no-mission-to-jews-just-dialogue/

    As I figured, the best you can do it dig up an obscure passage where Ratzinger quotes another writer within the context of a much broader topic. That is not "heresy." And definitely not "apostasy." It is him using a quote from another author.

    Here is what Ratzinger actually taught on the matter in Dominus Jesus:


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    14.  It must therefore be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith that the universal salvific will of the One and Triune God is offered and accomplished once for all in the mystery of the incarnation, death, and resurrection of the Son of God.

    Bearing in mind this article of faith, theology today, in its reflection on the existence of other religious experiences and on their meaning in God's salvific plan, is invited to explore if and in what way the historical figures and positive elements of these religions may fall within the divine plan of salvation. In this undertaking, theological research has a vast field of work under the guidance of the Church's Magisterium.  The Second Vatican Council, in fact, has stated that: “the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude, but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a participation in this one source”‌.43 The content of this participated mediation should be explored more deeply, but must remain always consistent with the principle of Christ's unique mediation: “Although participated forms of mediation of different kinds and degrees are not excluded, they acquire meaning and value only from Christ's own mediation, and they cannot be understood as parallel or complementary to his”‌.44 Hence, those solutions that propose a salvific action of God beyond the unique mediation of Christ would be contrary to Christian and Catholic faith.
    15.  Not infrequently it is proposed that theology should avoid the use of terms like “unicity”‌, “universality”‌, and “absoluteness”‌, which give the impression of excessive emphasis on the significance and value of the salvific event of Jesus Christ in relation to other religions. In reality, however, such language is simply being faithful to revelation, since it represents a development of the sources of the faith themselves.  From the beginning, the community of believers has recognized in Jesus a salvific value such that he alone, as Son of God made man, crucified and risen, by the mission received from the Father and in the power of the Holy Spirit, bestows revelation (cf. Mt 11:27) and divine life (cf. Jn 1:12; 5:25-26; 17:2) to all humanity and to every person.
    In this sense, one can and must say that Jesus Christ has a significance and a value for the human race and its history, which are unique and singular, proper to him alone, exclusive, universal, and absolute. Jesus is, in fact, the Word of God made man for the salvation of all. In expressing this consciousness of faith, the Second Vatican Council teaches: “The Word of God, through whom all things were made, was made flesh, so that as perfect man he could save all men and sum up all things in himself. The Lord is the goal of human history, the focal point of the desires of history and civilization, the centre of mankind, the joy of all hearts, and the fulfilment of all aspirations. It is he whom the Father raised from the dead, exalted and placed at his right hand, constituting him judge of the living and the dead”‌.45 “It is precisely this uniqueness of Christ which gives him an absolute and universal significance whereby, while belonging to history, he remains history's centre and goal: 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end' (Rev 22:13)”‌.46


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #33 on: September 23, 2023, 11:34:35 AM »
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  • As I figured, the best you can do it dig up an obscure passage where Ratzinger quotes another writer within the context of a much broader topic. That is not "heresy." And definitely not "apostasy." It is him using a quote from another author.

    Keep living in your bizarre phantasy world where Benny wasn't a heretic.  Even Bishop Tissier, upon having analyzed his writings, concluded that he was a heretic "worse than Luther".

    Spelling of "phantasy" was deliberate.  Look it up.

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #34 on: September 23, 2023, 11:48:01 AM »
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  • Keep living in your bizarre phantasy world where Benny wasn't a heretic.  Even Bishop Tissier, upon having analyzed his writings, concluded that he was a heretic "worse than Luther".

    Spelling of "phantasy" was deliberate.  Look it up.

    Then prove it. Give the exact quote of Ratzinger teaching something that contradicts a dogma of the Catholic Faith.


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #35 on: September 23, 2023, 12:19:54 PM »
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  • Then prove it. Give the exact quote of Ratzinger teaching something that contradicts a dogma of the Catholic Faith.

    :laugh1:  Entire books have been written on the subject.

    September 5, 2000, in an interview given to Zenit:  "[W]e are in agreement that a Jew, and this is true for believers of other religions, does not need to know or acknowledge Christ as the Son of God in order to be saved…”"

    Ratzinger's book God and the World, 2000:  "…their [the Jews'] No to Christ brings the Israelites into conflict with the subsequent acts of God, but at the same time we know that they are assured of the faithfulness of God.  They are not excluded from salvation…"

    We could fill 5 pages on this forum with his heresies:
    https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/anti-pope-benedict-xvi/

    Here's Bishop Tissier's booklet, nearly 78 pages long, including a chapter called "A denial worse than Luther's".
    https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/Sel%20de%20la%20Terre/Faith%20Imperiled%20by%20Reason/tissier.pdf





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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #36 on: September 23, 2023, 12:30:18 PM »
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  • :laugh1:  Entire books have been written on the subject.

    September 5, 2000, in an interview given to Zenit:  "[W]e are in agreement that a Jew, and this is true for believers of other religions, does not need to know or acknowledge Christ as the Son of God in order to be saved…”"

    Ratzinger's book God and the World, 2000:  "…their [the Jews'] No to Christ brings the Israelites into conflict with the subsequent acts of God, but at the same time we know that they are assured of the faithfulness of God.  They are not excluded from salvation…"

    We could fill 5 pages on this forum with his heresies:
    https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/anti-pope-benedict-xvi/

    Here's Bishop Tissier's booklet, nearly 78 pages long, including a chapter called "A denial worse than Luther's".
    https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/Sel%20de%20la%20Terre/Faith%20Imperiled%20by%20Reason/tissier.pdf

    So, you think Cardinal Ratzinger changed his mind on September 5, 2000, just after he had published Dominus Jesus on August 6, 2000?

    Here, again, is that Cardinal Ratzinger taught and officially promulgated on August 6, 2000:

    "...one can and must say that Jesus Christ has a significance and a value for the human race and its history, which are unique and singular, proper to him alone, exclusive, universal, and absolute. Jesus is, in fact, the Word of God made man for the salvation of all."


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #37 on: September 23, 2023, 01:09:44 PM »
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  • So, you think Cardinal Ratzinger changed his mind on September 5, 2000, just after he had published Dominus Jesus on August 6, 2000?

    Here, again, is that Cardinal Ratzinger taught and officially promulgated on August 6, 2000:

    "...one can and must say that Jesus Christ has a significance and a value for the human race and its history, which are unique and singular, proper to him alone, exclusive, universal, and absolute. Jesus is, in fact, the Word of God made man for the salvation of all."

    :facepalm: So Ratzinger saying that Jesus Christ has a unique and singular "significance and value" for the human race contradicts the notion that Jews can be saved without believing in Him?  Can you even read?


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #38 on: September 23, 2023, 01:47:25 PM »
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  • :facepalm: So Ratzinger saying that Jesus Christ has a unique and singular "significance and value" for the human race contradicts the notion that Jews can be saved without believing in Him?  Can you even read?

    Yes, Ratzinger's statement says unequivocally that salvation is only possible through Jesus Christ. Here's another one from the same docuмent:

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    13.  The thesis which denies the unicity and salvific universality of the mystery of Jesus Christ is also put forward. Such a position has no biblical foundation. In fact, the truth of Jesus Christ, Son of God, Lord and only Saviour, who through the event of his incarnation, death and resurrection has brought the history of salvation to fulfilment, and which has in him its fullness and centre, must be firmly believed as a constant element of the Church's faith.



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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #39 on: September 23, 2023, 06:32:06 PM »
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  • As I figured, the best you can do it dig up an obscure passage where Ratzinger quotes another writer within the context of a much broader topic. That is not "heresy." And definitely not "apostasy." It is him using a quote from another author.
    Did you even read the quotes Novus Ordo Watch posted in the last link Miser P posted?  They are all Ratzinger's OWN WORDS.

    Here's just one:

    That’s why the missionary mandate is universal — with one exception: A mission to the Jews was not intended and not needed for the simple reason that they alone among all peoples [already] knew the “unknown God.” With regard to Israel, therefore, there is no mission but [only] dialogue about whether Jesus of Nazareth is “the Son of God, the Logos” whom Israel and, without knowing it, [all of] humanity has been awaiting in accordance with the promises made to His People. To take up this dialogue once more is the task this hour puts before us.

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #40 on: September 23, 2023, 08:06:49 PM »
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  • Did you even read the quotes Novus Ordo Watch posted in the last link Miser P posted?  They are all Ratzinger's OWN WORDS.

    Here's just one:

    That’s why the missionary mandate is universal — with one exception: A mission to the Jews was not intended and not needed for the simple reason that they alone among all peoples [already] knew the “unknown God.” With regard to Israel, therefore, there is no mission but [only] dialogue about whether Jesus of Nazareth is “the Son of God, the Logos” whom Israel and, without knowing it, [all of] humanity has been awaiting in accordance with the promises made to His People. To take up this dialogue once more is the task this hour puts before us.

    What exactly is "heretical" about Ratzinger's statement above? He is stating what he believes to be an historical fact.

    The Jews are unique. They are not like the Gentiles. The Jews knew there would be a Messiah, but they failed to understand that Jesus was the Messiah prophesied. Their understanding was veiled.

    The Gentiles had no idea that there would be a Messiah at all. So the "mission" to the Gentiles had to introduce an idea that was completely absent. Their understanding was not veiled and so the missionary activities could bear fruit with the Gentiles.

    But at the end of salvation history, the veil will be lifted and some of the Jews will be be converted. Read the quotes on this web page from the Church Fathers to understand the point that Ratzinger is making:

    https://www.salvationisfromthejews.com/endtimes.html

    The point is as Catholic as it gets. Not heretical at all because Ratzinger believes that "this hour" is the hour of the end times.

    See St. Paul, Romans 11:22-23:  https://drbo.org/chapter/52011.htm



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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #41 on: September 24, 2023, 05:20:41 AM »
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  • :facepalm: So Ratzinger saying that Jesus Christ has a unique and singular "significance and value" for the human race contradicts the notion that Jews can be saved without believing in Him?  Can you even read?
    It's this repeated blindness by Bennyvacantists that continues to confirm my belief that Ratzinger's resignation was all part of the Modernist plan to have a good cop-bad cop scenario.    

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #42 on: September 24, 2023, 09:28:23 AM »
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  • Then prove it. Give the exact quote of Ratzinger teaching something that contradicts a dogma of the Catholic Faith.


    There are lists and lists of heresies from “shirt and tie” at Vatican II, Father Ratzinger, but heretics can also display their manifest heresy by actions:



    Giving “Holy Communion” to the famous Protestant Brother Schutz.



    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #43 on: September 24, 2023, 02:08:55 PM »
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  • There are lists and lists of heresies from “shirt and tie” at Vatican II, Father Ratzinger, but heretics can also display their manifest heresy by actions:



    Giving “Holy Communion” to the famous Protestant Brother Schutz.

    Not "heresy." At worst, a Catholic minister distributing communion to a baptized person like Schutz, would be committing the sin of "scandal." But sin of "scandal" is not the same thing as the sin of "heresy." There have been many legitimate Popes who committed the sin of scandal.

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/35354/35354-h/35354-h.html

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    2704. The Recipient of the Eucharist.—(a) Those Who May Receive Communion.—According to divine law, every living person who has received Baptism of water is capable of receiving the Eucharist, infants and the insane not excluded. Ecclesiastical law requires other conditions, which are justified by considerations of respect for the Blessed Sacrament or other good reason. Communion may not be given, first, to those who have not the use of reason (i.e., to infants and the perpetually insane), nor to those who are unable to understand the essential truths of religion and morality (i.e., to those who have always been deaf and dumb or blind, and who are uninstructed); for, on the one hand, the Sacrament is not necessary for these persons, and, on the other hand, there is great danger of irreverence if it be given them. Secondly, Communion may not be given to those who cannot receive without grave peril of unbecoming treatment of the Sacrament, as in the case of those who cough or vomit continually or frequently, or of those who are delirious, or unconscious, or insane, But if the danger is certainly slight (e.g., if the person can swallow an unconsecrated host without spitting it out), Communion may be given, at least the Viaticuм or Easter Communion. Next those persons are denied Communion who cannot receive without scandal (e.g., those who are infamous, such as prostitutes or defamers, persons intoxicated or insufficiently dressed). Finally, no one may receive Communion who has already received it that day, lest the Sacrament become common and be taken without due preparation; but exception is made when it is necessary to communicate a second time in order to comply with the divine law of receiving Viaticuм or of saving the Host from profanation (Canons 853-858).



    When you accuse a Pope of "heresy," please be careful to use words precisely and to make sure that you know what the actual Catholic doctrine is in the matter. I'm not saying that doing a "scandalous" thing is okay. And we agree that the photo is "scandalous."



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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #44 on: September 24, 2023, 03:26:26 PM »
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  • It's not worth arguing with someone like Angelus.  He's already cooked up his narrative and nothing's going to budge him from it, even though you can fill volumes with the heresies of Joseph Ratzinger, and such volumes have been written.  "Cardinal" Kasper, who knows both men well, stated that Bergoglio and Ratzinger have an identical theology, but express it differently.

    Jorge is the Antichrist
    Benny was a Trad Pope, and the Church Crisis started with Jorge.
    Jorge's election was invalid because Ratzinger wasn't buried first.