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Nadir · « **Reply #15 on:** September 19, 2023, 10:41:35 PM »

Quote from: Angelus on September 19, 2023, 09:34:21 PM

Hi Miser. Thanks for the kind words. I enjoy your posts as well.

I am familiar with that video and the claims about the "heresies" of Ratzinger/Benedict XVI. The simplest answer to your question is that I don't believe that he was a "heretic." I think the video exaggerates much of the "evidence" and doesn't use the proper standard to determine "heresy."

If you want to explore that more, Fr. Paul Kramer has written extensively on the topic in relation to Ratzinger and Bergoglio:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1945658134/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1945658134&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />

Angelus, I didn't yet watch the video recommended by Miser, but I don't understand how a traditional Catholic can deny that the writings of B16 contain heresy. Here is a brief list of some of the many in table form, alongside of Church teaching.

https://www.calefactory.org/misc-v2-heresiesofb16.htm

Ladislaus · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2023, 08:52:20 AM »

Quote from: Nadir on September 19, 2023, 10:41:35 PM

Angelus, I didn't yet watch the video recommended by Miser, but I don't understand how a traditional Catholic can deny that the writings of B16 contain heresy. Here is a brief list of some of the many in table form, alongside of Church teaching.

https://www.calefactory.org/misc-v2-heresiesofb16.htm

He's denying it because it's part of his agenda. It doesn't fit the narrative of Bennyvacantism. Evidence is overwhelming, so much so that even Bishop Tissier referred to Ratzinger as a "worse heretic than Luther".

Angelus · « **Reply #17 on:** September 20, 2023, 09:08:09 AM »

Quote from: Nadir on September 19, 2023, 10:41:35 PM

Angelus, I didn't yet watch the video recommended by Miser, but I don't understand how a traditional Catholic can deny that the writings of B16 contain heresy. Here is a brief list of some of the many in table form, alongside of Church teaching.

https://www.calefactory.org/misc-v2-heresiesofb16.htm

Nadir, I suggest that you not trust that source. I will give just one example, the first one in that Calefactory list (the others are also false), the accusation that "Ratzinger denies the Real Presence."

Here is what he wrote as Pope BXVI in the Apostolic Exhortation Sacramentum Caritatis:

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The intrinsic relationship between celebration and adoration

66. One of the most moving moments of the Synod came when we gathered in Saint Peter's Basilica, together with a great number of the faithful, for eucharistic adoration. In this act of prayer, and not just in words, the assembly of Bishops wanted to point out the intrinsic relationship between eucharistic celebration and eucharistic adoration. A growing appreciation of this significant aspect of the Church's faith has been an important part of our experience in the years following the liturgical renewal desired by the Second Vatican Council. During the early phases of the reform, the inherent relationship between Mass and adoration of the Blessed Sacrament was not always perceived with sufficient clarity. For example, an objection that was widespread at the time argued that the eucharistic bread was given to us not to be looked at, but to be eaten. In the light of the Church's experience of prayer, however, this was seen to be a false dichotomy. As Saint Augustine put it: "nemo autem illam carnem manducat, nisi prius adoraverit; peccemus non adorando – no one eats that flesh without first adoring it; we should sin were we not to adore it." (191) In the Eucharist, the Son of God comes to meet us and desires to become one with us; eucharistic adoration is simply the natural consequence of the eucharistic celebration, which is itself the Church's supreme act of adoration. (192) Receiving the Eucharist means adoring him whom we receive. Only in this way do we become one with him, and are given, as it were, a foretaste of the beauty of the heavenly liturgy. The act of adoration outside Mass prolongs and intensifies all that takes place during the liturgical celebration itself. Indeed, "only in adoration can a profound and genuine reception mature. And it is precisely this personal encounter with the Lord that then strengthens the social mission contained in the Eucharist, which seeks to break down not only the walls that separate the Lord and ourselves, but also and especially the walls that separate us from one another." (193)
The practice of eucharistic adoration
67. With the Synod Assembly, therefore, I heartily recommend to the Church's pastors and to the People of God the practice of eucharistic adoration, both individually and in community. (194) Great benefit would ensue from a suitable catechesis explaining the importance of this act of worship, which enables the faithful to experience the liturgical celebration more fully and more fruitfully. Wherever possible, it would be appropriate, especially in densely populated areas, to set aside specific churches or oratories for perpetual adoration. I also recommend that, in their catechetical training, and especially in their preparation for First Holy Communion, children be taught the meaning and the beauty of spending time with Jesus, and helped to cultivate a sense of awe before his presence in the Eucharist.
Here I would like to express appreciation and support for all those Institutes of Consecrated Life whose members dedicate a significant amount of time to eucharistic adoration. In this way they give us an example of lives shaped by the Lord's real presence. I would also like to encourage those associations of the faithful and confraternities specifically devoted to eucharistic adoration; they serve as a leaven of contemplation for the whole Church and a summons to individuals and communities to place Christ at the centre of their lives.
Forms of eucharistic devotion
68. The personal relationship which the individual believer establishes with Jesus present in the Eucharist constantly points beyond itself to the whole communion of the Church and nourishes a fuller sense of membership in the Body of Christ. For this reason, besides encouraging individual believers to make time for personal prayer before the Sacrament of the Altar, I feel obliged to urge parishes and other church groups to set aside times for collective adoration. Naturally, already existing forms of eucharistic piety retain their full value. I am thinking, for example, of processions with the Blessed Sacrament, especially the traditional procession on the Solemnity of Corpus Christi, the Forty Hours devotion, local, national and international Eucharistic Congresses, and other similar initiatives. If suitably updated and adapted to local circuмstances, these forms of devotion are still worthy of being practised today. (195)

Here is a summary of some of his homilies from the 1970s and 1980s:

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Ratzinger laments that we have recently come to overemphasize what he calls a “mere sign of brotherly fellowship,” to the detriment of the element of sacrifice. He expresses concern that we have minimalized the Eucharist to a simple half hour of time during the week and have placed Eucharistic adoration “on the edge of things.” He tells us that instead, our days have been consumed with worldly thoughts and worldly business. In other words, we make very little sacrifice to partake in the Eucharist, particularly in the form of Eucharistic adoration.

Read what the man actually said, not quotes taken out of context by people with an agenda. Here is the direct comparison:

Calefactory.com false translation

Actual full quote from Ratzinger. Properly translated. Found this this book available on Kindle (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MXJ2I5W/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B01MXJ2I5W&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />

"Eucharistic devotion such as is noted in the silent visit by the devout in church must not be thought of as a conversation with God. This would assume that God was present there locally and in a confined way. To justify such an assertion shows a lack of understanding of the Christological mysteries of the very concept of God. This is repugnant to the serious thinking of the man who knows about the omnipresence of God. To go to church on the ground that one can visit God who is present there is a senseless act which modern man rightfully rejects."

"Eucharistic adoration or a quiet visit in church, if it is to make sense, cannot simply be a conversation with God who is thought to be present in a circuмscribed locality. Statements such as “God dwells here” and conversations with the “local” God that are justified in this way manifest a misunderstanding of both the Christian mystery and the concept of God that is necessarily repellant to the thinking of man who knows about God’s omnipresence. If someone wished to justify going to church on the grounds that one must pay a visit to the God who is present only there, then that would in fact be a reason that made no sense and would rightly be rejected by modern man.

Eucharistic adoration is in truth related to the Lord, who through his historical life and suffering has become “Bread” for us; in other words, through his Incarnation and self-abandonment to death he has become the One who is open for us. Such prayer is therefore related to the historical mystery of Jesus Christ, to God’s history with men that moves toward us in the sacrament. And it is related to the history of God with men, it is related ot the whole “Body of Christ,” to the community of believers, in which and through which God comes to us. In this way praying in church and before the Blessed Sacrament is the “classification” of our relation to God under the mystery of the Church as the specific locality where God meets us. And finally, this is the purpose of our going to church at all: so that I in an orderly fashion may take my place in God’s history with men—only the setting in which I as as a man have my true human existence and which alone therefore also opens up for me the true space of my encounter with God’s eternal love. For this love does not seek merely an isolated spirit, which (as we have already said) would be a ghost compared with man’s reality; rahter it seeks man utterly and entirely, in the body of his historicity, and it gives him in the holy signs of the sacraments the guarantee of a divine answer in which the open question of being human arrives at its goal and comes to its fulfillment."

The point Ratzinger was making is that God is "omnipresent." Therefore, God is not ONLY present Sacramentally in the churches. That is a Catholic dogma. To say otherwise is heresy.

Get the Ratzinger book I linked to from Amazon above. Check it for yourself. Don't trust confirmed liars.

Cera · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2023, 03:47:37 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on September 19, 2023, 04:33:38 PM

I've given up trying to interpret anything related to Fatima.

This may help. Somebody posted this on another thread.

https://padreperegrino.org/2023/09/mtsolf/
What is the Third-Secret of Fatima?

What is the Third Secret of Fatima? The full Third Secret has not been released by the Vatican, but even many moderate Catholics today know it's more than the shooting of Pope John Paul II or a LARPing tale of future-crossbows on a Vatican hill. Last week, I blogged here on Malachi Martin regarding the Jesuits, so I decided to quote him on Fatima today, too. Although I have seen Martin's quotes in more places than one, they are nicely compiled in one spot by Gloria TV. So, I simply reproduce their article here:

Father Malachi Martin (reader of the Third Secret of Fatima) Interview with Bernard Janzen 1992, The Kingdom of Darkness:

Janzen: In our discussion earlier you just touched on the subject of Satan's assault on the papacy. Perhaps we could have a brief discussion about that.

Martin: [...] what I think is fatally necessary for every Catholic to know, and that is the fate of the papacy and the coming stress and danger that we shall be without the strength of the papacy.

Bernard: Is it ever possible that the cardinals at a future conclave could elect a heretical pope?

Martin: [brief pause over the sensitive nature of the question] You know...they have elected men in the past who had heretical ideas. Two or three. They have never elected yet an apostate...an apostate. [...] An apostate has rebelled against the very fundamental of faith and rejected God and Christ. We have apostates now who are papabili [men who could be elected pope]. Yes, we could have an apostate. But in that day, then we are into something terrible. We're into something which, Bernard, is something that, if you think on it, in full knowledge of the meaning of your terms, is nightmarish. It would test the faith of St. Catherine of Sienna. It would test the faith of the greatest saint. It would try the patience of Job. It would be a black day; a day on which you can clothe every window in black and put out the lights and dress in sackcloth & ashes and pray that you're spared because your faith is going to be battered to pieces...if that happens. 'cause then, they have the prize and everything goes underground. And we are indeed on our way to becoming what Paul VI, in his misery, called, in 1978, an infinitesimally small part of humanity. Completely marginalized and pushed to the side and forgotten as a quaint group of people as interesting as Tibetan astrologers on a modern campus.
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Father Malachi Martin Interview with Art Bell on May 4, 1998

Martin: The prophecy of Fatima is not a pleasant docuмent to read – not pleasant news. It implies – it doesn't make any sense unless we accept that there will be, or that there is in progress – a wholesale apostasy amongst clerics and laity in the Catholic Church, that the institutional organization of the Roman Catholic Church – that is, the organization of parishes, dioceses, archbishops and bishops and cardinals and the Roman bureaucracies and the chanceries throughout the world – unless that is totally disrupted and rendered null and void, the third secret makes no sense, and number two, the other salient characteristic about it is that it means intense suffering for believers.
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Father Malachi Martin Interview with Art Bell on July 13, 1998 (the very Anniversary of the Third Secret of Fatima)

Bell: Alright, here we go. Just a couple of things I want to quickly read. One from a friend in Australia, Father, who says, "I had a Jesuit priest tell me more of the third secret of Fatima years ago in Perth. He said, among other things, the last pope would be under control of Satan. Pope John fainted thinking it might be him. We were interrupted before I could hear the rest." Any comment on that?
Martin: Yes...uh...it sounds as if they were reading – or being told – the text of the third secret.
Bell: Oh my.
Martin: It sounds like it. But it's sufficiently vague to make one hesitate. It sounds like it.
Bell: Father, is there any circuмstance under which you can imagine, that you would feel free to reveal the secret?
Martin: Yes. Yes. If there was a total collapse at the center.
Bell: And you anticipate that, don't you?
Martin: I anticipate it as a possibility, Art. I can't predict, but I anticipate it as a possibility, certainly, yes. I do.

"Malachi personally confirmed to me in 1997 that the "pope" who will lead the apostasy in the Church will be a heretic and an antipope." – Father Paul Kramer, Facebook quote, May of 2016

"We're facing.. what we may have to face, finally.. the False Pope." – Fr. Malachi Martin, Detroit, Michigan circa 1989? [November 1992?]

"In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church begins at the top." – Cardinal Luigi Ciappi (Personal Theologian to Popes Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II) from a 1995 personal letter to Professor Baumgartner of Salzburg, Austria; Father Gerard Mura, "The Third Secret of Fatima: Has It Been Completely Revealed?", the periodical Catholic, (published by the Transalpine Redemptorists, Orkney Isles, Scotland, Great Britain) March 2002

"The apostasy of the city of Rome from the vicar of Christ and its destruction by Antichrist may be thoughts so new to many Catholics, that I think it well to recite the text of theologians of greatest repute. First Malvenda, who writes expressly on the subject, states as the opinion of Ribera, Gaspar Melus, Biegas, Suarrez, Bellarmine and Bosius that Rome shall apostatise from the faith, drive away the Vicar of Christ and return to its ancient paganism." "Then the Church shall be scattered, driven into the wilderness, and shall be for a time, as it was in the beginning, invisible hidden in catacombs, in dens, in mountains, in lurking places; for a time it shall be swept, as it were from the face of the earth. Such is the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church." – Cardinal Henry Edward Manning, The Present Crisis of the Holy See, 1861, London: Burns and Lambert, p. 88-90, p. 79

Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, who read the Third Secret, made reference to one of its themes during an allocution to the members of the Marian International Academy he declared, "It suffices to cast a rapid glance at what is happening at this moment in the world, in order to recognize that without the intervention of the Mother of all mercy near the All-Powerful, the world risks becoming pagan once more, a paganism more deplorable than the first paganism, because it is aggravated by apostasy. We are witnessing a veritable deluge of sins, a deluge which leaves behind it a nauseating quagmire, infected by immorality, lies and blasphemy..." – 15 December 1960 – Allocution de S. Em. Le cardinal Ottaviani à l'Académie Mariale Internationale, "Docuмentation Catholique," 1961, col. 244

1963 – In a public admonition to his spiritual sons amidst the Second Vatican Council Padre Pio said: "Due to the rampant injustice and abuse of power, we have reached a compromise with atheistic materialism [Communism], a denial of the rights of God. This is the punishment foretold at Fatima ... All the priests who support the possibility of a dialogue with the negators of God and with the Luciferian powers of the world [Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ] are mad, have lost their faith, no longer believe in the Gospel! In so doing they betray the word of God, because Christ came to bring on earth perpetual covenant only to men of heart [good will], but did not join with the men thirsty for power and dominion over the brothers ... The flock is dispersed when the shepherds ally with the enemies of the Truth of Christ. All the forms of power made deaf to the will of the authority of the heart of God are rapacious wolves that renew the passion of Christ and make the Madonna shed tears ... " – Published in "Avvenire" August 19, 1978; See also partial quote in "The Fourth Secret of Fatima" 2006 by Antonio Socci

"The tail of the devil is functioning in the disintegration of the Catholic world. The darkness of Satan has entered and spread throughout the Catholic Church even to its summit. Apostasy, the loss of the faith, is spreading throughout the world and into the highest levels within the Church." – Pope Paul VI, October 13, 1977 in a formal address marking the 60th Anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun as quoted in the Milan-based daily Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, p. 7 of its issue dated October 14, 1977

"The Blessed Virgin was alerting us against the apostasy in the Church." "I would not be surprised if the Third Secret alluded to dark times for the Church: grave confusions and troubling apostasies within Catholicism itself...If we consider the grave crisis we have lived through since the Council, the signs that this prophecy has been fulfilled do not seem to be lacking..." – Cardinal Silvio Oddi, to Italian journalist Lucio Brunelli in the journal Il Sabato, Rome, March 17, 1990

"Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh. – Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992), Paragraph #675 – The Church's ultimate trial

"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of Antichrist." – Selected excerpt taken from Our Lady of La Salette's Secret to Mélanie Calvatin on 19 September 1846. (Approved apparition) Final version published in 1879 at Lecce, Italy, with the imprimatur and approval of Bishop Salvatore Luigi Zola, C.R.L., the Bishop of Lecce

"I cannot reveal anything about what I have learned at Fatima about the Third Secret, but I can say that it has two parts: the one concerns the Pope. The other, logically – although I should say nothing – should be the continuation of the words: 'In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved.'" – Father Joseph Schweigl 1952 (Pope Pius XII sent him to interrogate Sr. Lucia on September 2, 1952); Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité, The Whole Truth About Fatima: The Third Secret, Vol. III, p. 710, p. 337-338

November 11, 1984 – Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger affirmed that the Third Secret concerns, "a radical call for conversion; the absolute importance of history; the dangers threatening the faith and the life of the Christian, and therefore of the world. And then the importance of the 'novissimi' (the last events at the end of time). If it is not made public — at least for the time being — it is in order to prevent religious prophecy from being mistaken for a quest for the sensational (literally: 'for sensationalism'). But the things contained in this 'Third Secret' correspond to what has been announced in Scripture and has been said again and again in many other Marian apparitions" – Ecco perche la fede e in crisi in the review, Jesus, p. 79

"I believe that there is a connection between that which is announced in the first part of the Secret, which concerns wars and sufferings which would be everywhere, and the second part which concerns the persecutions and a type of breakdown of the faith. Because where the ellipsis (the three dots, "...") was placed, it means "Here is the third part, which is not revealed" and then the conclusion "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved etc." This suggests to me that there is a relationship between faith and the third part of the Secret. Therefore, it is something that relates to the Church. It is some kind of universal crisis which affects the whole Church and all of humanity." – Father Jose dos Santos Valinho (nephew of Sr. Lucia); This public statement was made on the 14th of February, 2003 broadcast on the program ENIGMA, which was transmitted prime time, nationwide on RAI, the National TV Network of Italy, The Fatima Crusader, Issue 74, p.76

Pope Benedict XVI proclaimed the need for a "Year of Faith" that seeks to awaken humanity at a critical moment. "In vast areas of the earth the faith risks being extinguished, like a flame without fuel," the pope warned, "We are facing a profound crisis of faith, a loss of a religious sense which represents one of the greatest challenges for the Church today ... The renewal of faith must, then, be a priority for the entire Church in our time." – Pope Benedict XVI, Vatican City, 27 January 2012 from his address to the participants in the plenary session of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
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Act bravely, my Brethren; take courage, and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.

The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death.

Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.

There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.

Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.

Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head [Jesus Christ], these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish [physically] rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.

Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer. – Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis Of Assisi [London: R. Washbourne, 1882], pp. 248-250;

songbird · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2023, 04:24:38 PM »

I read this topic. I don't recall reading anything about Pope Pius XI. I don't recall Sister Lucia having a vision in 1929 Tuy, Spain. Our Lady told Sister Lucia the "hour" has come to consecrate Russia.

You see, consecration was not to be done, til Our Lady was to return and say it was the hour, the time.

We know the consecration did not take place. Our Lady said this to sister Lucia. This is very serious! Pope Pius XI knew what was to be said, "Russia", he said the world. Is this not a mockery!

The sheep scattered, this happens when the Pope, who is to Feed the sheep, does not follow the command of God. Cardinal Manning and Pope Leo XIII, knew and experienced Satan at the tabernacle. Christ and Satan having it out with each other.

There is no doubt in my mind, that Pope Leo and Cardinal Manning knew the seriousness of the scene. Powers to increase for whats we know to be 100 years.

Both questioned, to nominated a Pope, he must be catholic, election in infallible. Can a Pope go wrong in his pontificate? Yes.

So, is it possible for Pope Pius XI go wrong, not obeying God? Pope separates himself from the Church. The sheep scatter. 1930. the hundred years begins?

You might wonder about Pope Pius XII? Election infallible, and his pontificate?

No mention of Daniel Chapter 12, the continual sacrifice of the Mass will end, or suspended for 3 and a half years.

IMO there is no secret. WE have been given truth for our salvation/redemption for our souls. All we need to know, we have been told and has been revealed.

I do think that Sister Lucia once said, to the question of the 3rd secret that it was in the bible. Prophecy. We know what we need to do for our souls. Just do it!

Angelus · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2023, 07:28:24 PM »

From St. Francis of Assisi:

The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death.

From 2 Thessalonians 2:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.

From St. Thomas Aquinas (https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~2Thess.C2.L1.n40):

But in what temple? Was it not destroyed by the Romans? This is why some say that the Antichrist is from the tribe of Dan, whose tribe is not named among the other twelve in Revelation (Rev 7:5). Because of this, the Jews will accept him at first, and will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, and thus Daniel will be fulfilled: an abomination and an idol will be in the temple (Dan 9:27). But when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place, let him who reads understand (Matt 24:15).

But some say that neither Jerusalem nor the temple will ever be rebuilt, but that their desolation will last until the final consummation. And even some Jews believe this. So this text is explained to mean in the temple of God, i.e., in the Church, since many from the church will accept him. Or according to Augustine, he sits in the temple of God, i.e., he rules and governs as though he himself with his messengers were the temple of God, as Christ is the temple with his adherents.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2023, 09:24:13 PM »

Quote from: Angelus on September 20, 2023, 09:08:09 AM

Nadir, I suggest that you not trust that source. I will give just one example, the first one in that Calefactory list (the others are also false), the accusation that "Ratzinger denies the Real Presence."

Here is what he wrote as Pope BXVI in the Apostolic Exhortation Sacramentum Caritatis:

Here is a summary of some of his homilies from the 1970s and 1980s:

Read what the man actually said, not quotes taken out of context by people with an agenda. Here is the direct comparison:

Calefactory.com false translation Actual full quote from Ratzinger. Properly translated. Found this this book available on Kindle (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MXJ2I5W/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B01MXJ2I5W&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />
"Eucharistic devotion such as is noted in the silent visit by the devout in church must not be thought of as a conversation with God. This would assume that God was present there locally and in a confined way. To justify such an assertion shows a lack of understanding of the Christological mysteries of the very concept of God. This is repugnant to the serious thinking of the man who knows about the omnipresence of God. To go to church on the ground that one can visit God who is present there is a senseless act which modern man rightfully rejects." "Eucharistic adoration or a quiet visit in church, if it is to make sense, cannot simply be a conversation with God who is thought to be present in a circuмscribed locality. Statements such as “God dwells here” and conversations with the “local” God that are justified in this way manifest a misunderstanding of both the Christian mystery and the concept of God that is necessarily repellant to the thinking of man who knows about God’s omnipresence. If someone wished to justify going to church on the grounds that one must pay a visit to the God who is present only there, then that would in fact be a reason that made no sense and would rightly be rejected by modern man.

Eucharistic adoration is in truth related to the Lord, who through his historical life and suffering has become “Bread” for us; in other words, through his Incarnation and self-abandonment to death he has become the One who is open for us. Such prayer is therefore related to the historical mystery of Jesus Christ, to God’s history with men that moves toward us in the sacrament. And it is related to the history of God with men, it is related ot the whole “Body of Christ,” to the community of believers, in which and through which God comes to us. In this way praying in church and before the Blessed Sacrament is the “classification” of our relation to God under the mystery of the Church as the specific locality where God meets us. And finally, this is the purpose of our going to church at all: so that I in an orderly fashion may take my place in God’s history with men—only the setting in which I as as a man have my true human existence and which alone therefore also opens up for me the true space of my encounter with God’s eternal love. For this love does not seek merely an isolated spirit, which (as we have already said) would be a ghost compared with man’s reality; rahter it seeks man utterly and entirely, in the body of his historicity, and it gives him in the holy signs of the sacraments the guarantee of a divine answer in which the open question of being human arrives at its goal and comes to its fulfillment."

The point Ratzinger was making is that God is "omnipresent." Therefore, God is not ONLY present Sacramentally in the churches. That is a Catholic dogma. To say otherwise is heresy.

Get the Ratzinger book I linked to from Amazon above. Check it for yourself. Don't trust confirmed liars.

Hey Angelus,

I've listened to Fr Kramer take down Siscoe and Salza for years and learned a great deal from him. Unfortunately he doesn't apply the same discernment with Benedict.

Consider the following quote from Benedict:

“Indeed, Jesus affirms that the true bread of salvation, which transmits eternal life, is His very flesh"

That is beautiful and true and affirms the true faith of Benedict does it not?

Actually, that is a quote from Francis. :/

I'm sure you are aware that communists and their ilk speak out of both sides of their mouths and can say 9 beautiful orthodox statements and tuck in one lil' ol' ambiguous sounding statement that is outright blasphemy when looked at with scrutiny and discernment.

As I have posted on other threads, the Noahide Laws were ratified by the Vatican under the pontificate of Benedict:
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/final-docuмent-catholicJєωιѕн-bilateral-commission-meeting-1979

I understand the issues with the Diamond bros and reluctancy to accept what they post in their videos. However, I found it helpful to see the actual footage of Benedict PRAYING and clapping and worshipping in mosques and synogogues. He's not just visiting

(and he did rack up the most "papal mosque visit" record

https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/benedict-xvi-sets-new-papal-record-mosque-visits)

...no, he is actually worshipping there and people can see it for themselves.

In any case, those who brush aside all that comes from the Diamond bros as lies, this article posted by the SSPX in 2013 has plenty of references to show

Benedict does NOT believe the Jєωs need Jesus for salvation.

What did St John the apostle say about people who deny Christ? Oh yeah...they are called ANTICHRISTS!

Well, if St John calls them antichrists, who am I to disagree with him?

Judaism and the Church: before and after Vatican II
It is true that Pope Benedict has done some real good for the Church, the most obvious example being his efforts to restore legal status to the Tridentine Mass. Unfortunately, he continues to follow in the misguided footsteps of his post-Conciilar predecessor in implementing and expanding the new orientations of Vatican II.

This is especially apparent in Pope Benedict’s dealing with modern Judaism, which is based on the Council’s teaching on the Jєωs found in the docuмent Nostra Aetate. This new orientation has almost nothing in common with the 2000-year Tradition of the Church.

Cardinal Kurt Koch, President of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, delivered a speech on May 16 at the Angelicuм in Rome where he applauded Pope Benedict’s dedication to Nostra Aetate and its subsequent developments.

Koch praised Cardinal Ratzinger for “groundbreaking articles” in the area of Catholic-Jєωιѕн relations, he went on to celebrate Pope Benedict as a man committed to the Second Vatican Council’s new approach, and lauded Benedict for following in the exact footsteps of Pope John Paul II:

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Pope Benedict XVI carries on and progresses the conciliatory work of his predecessor with regard to Jєωιѕн-Catholic conversation. He not only addressed the first letter in his pontificate to the Chief Rabbi in Rome but also gave an assurance at his first encounter with a Jєωιѕн delegation June 9, 2005 that the Church was moving firmly on the fundamental principles of [Vatican II’s] Nostra Aetate and he intended to continue the dialogue in the footsteps of his [post-Conciliar] predecessors.

In reviewing the 7 years of his pontificate we find that he has in this short space of time taken all those steps which Pope John Paul took in his 27-year pontificate: Pope Benedict XVI visited the former cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ Auschwitz–Birkenau on May 28, 2006; during his visit to Israel in May 2009 he too stood before the Wailing Wall, he met with the Chief Rabbinate of Jerusalem and prayed for the victims of the Shoah in Yad Vashem; and on January 17, 2010 he was warmly received by the Jєωιѕн community in Rome in their ѕуηαgσgυє. His first visit to a ѕуηαgσgυє was of course made already on August 19, 2005 in Cologne on the occasion of World Youth Day, and on April 18. 2008 he visited the Park East ѕуηαgσgυє in New York.

So we can claim with gratitude that no other pope in history has visited as many ѕуηαgσgυєs as Benedict XVI."[1]

Likewise, when Pope Benedict visited the ѕуηαgσgυє in Rome, Rabbi David Rosen, director of the American Jєωιѕн Committee’s Interreligious Affairs was ecstatic, and understood better than many Catholics the true revolutionary nature of such acts.

“With the visit to the ѕуηαgσgυє Pope Benedict is institutionalizing revolutions,” said Rabbi Rosen. “By visiting the Roman ѕуηαgσgυє, Pope Benedict is making it difficult for a subsequent pope not to pay such a visit. John Paul’s [1986] visit could have been a one-off, but now with Benedict XVI’s visit, there is a sense of continuity.”[2]
Pope John Paul II visited one ѕуηαgσgυє during his 26-year reign. In the short span of 6 years, Pope Benedict has already visited 3.
In Pope Benedict’s actions in this regard, we see the revolutionary Council docuмent Nostra Aetate at work. Our highest churchmen continually acclaim Nostra Aetate not as a reaffirmation of Tradition, but as a brand new direction.
“A fundamental re-orientation”
Cardinal Koch, today’s head of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity—hand-picked by Benedict XVI for that prestigious Vatican post—celebrates Nostra Aetata as the “crucial compass” of all endeavors towards Catholic-Jєωιѕн dialogue. In his May 16 speech, Koch refers to it as the “foundation docuмent,” the Magna Carta of dialogue between the Roman Catholic Church and Judaism. He calls Nostra Aetate a text that effected “a fundamental re-orientation of the Catholic Church” following the Council.[3]

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Nostra Aetate was designed to be only the beginning of something much bigger. It is the culmination of more than two decades of work by modernist-leaning theologians who were determined to side-step traditional theology and establish a new basis of relations between Catholics and Jєωs."[4]

The key text of Nostra Aetate on this point is in the docuмent’s fourth chapter:

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Given this great spiritual heritage common to Christians and Jєωs, it is the wish of this sacred Council to foster and recommend a mutual knowledge and esteem… the Jєωs should not be presented as rejected by God or accursed, as though this follows from Scripture… The Church… deplores all hatred, persecution and other manifestations of anti-semitism, whatever the period and whoever was responsible."

Of course, no Catholic may favor the mistreatment of Jєωs or of anyone else. This is a given. What’s troubling, however, is the ambiguity contained in the phrase, “The Jєωs should not be presented as rejected by God or accursed, as though this follows from Scripture.”

This phrase lacks necessary distinctions.
Firstly, all of us are members of an “accursed race”—the human race. None of us are born Catholic, but enter this world stained with original sin as children of Adam and Eve. We are thus born, as Bl. Abbot Marmion explains, “enemies of God.”[5] The Psalms teach, “Indeed in guilt was I born and in sin my mother conceived me.” (Psalm 5:7) St. Paul affirms, “For we are by nature children of wrath.” (Eph. 2:3). We are all born as part of the Kingdom of Satan.

To be freed from this kingdom, we need to be “saved”. The eminent Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton explains, the process of salvation requires a transfer from the Kingdom of Satan to the Kingdom of God. This Kingdom of God, according to the age-old doctrine of the Two Kingdoms,[6] is the Catholic Church, the one and only supernatural society established by Christ in which salvation can be found.
The process of salvation, as Fenton notes, is similar to being saved from a sinking rowboat wherein the individual is sure to perish, and being transferred to a sea-worthy ocean liner. This necessary transfer from the Kingdom of Satan to the Kingdom of God requires Baptism and acceptance of the Jesus Christ and his Divine Revelation. “He who believes and is baptized will be saved. He who does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:6) This teaching applies to all people on earth, whether they be Jєωιѕн, Muslim, Hindu or secular humanist.
We are all thus born as part of an “accursed race.” The only way to free ourselves from this curse, the only way out of the kingdom of Satan, is to leave the devil’s empire and transfer into Christ’s one true Church, and to keep oneself in the state of grace by means of prayer and the sacraments.
“Has made obsolete the former one”
Next, Nostra Aetate fails to make a crucial distinction between Jєωs as individuals and the Jєωιѕн religion. True, Jєωs are not under a curse that precludes their salvation, since our sacred history is rife with Jєωιѕн converts who left the religion of the ѕуηαgσgυє and embraced the Catholic Church.
What is today called the Jєωιѕн religion, however, is not of God, since it is based on a rejection of the Messiah. Our Lord warned the Jєωs of His day, “Therefore I say to you, that the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and will be given to a people yielding its fruits.” (Matt: 21: 43)
Likewise St. Paul writes that Christ’s New Covenant “has made obsolete the former one.” (Heb. 8:13)
Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, reaffirming the infallible and unchanging doctrine of two millennia, explains that the older social unity—the Jєωιѕн religion of the Old Covenant—had been the ecclesia of God, but it “lost its status as the ecclesia or the kingdom of God on earth” because of its formal rejection of the Messiah. Our Lord Jesus Christ superseded the Old Covenant with His New Covenant by His Passion and Death on the Cross and the establishment of His Church. “This new organization as the faithful remnant of Israel,” writes Fenton, “went on to be the ecclesia in a much more complete and perfect sense than the other had been.”
“Thus,” Fenton expounds, “the society over which the Roman Pontiff presides is called the Church not simply by reason of the fact that it is a religious community or organization, but actually and ultimately because this society is the kingdom of God on earth, the assembly of the people of the divine covenant, the social unit apart from which there is no salvation.”[7]These crucial distinctions are not found in Nostra Aetate’s ambiguities. It is yet another example of Vatican II as essentially flawed docuмents. The deliberate ambiguities[8] and crucial omissions in the text open the door to a new theology unheard of in Church history. This new interpretation has become the “official interpretation” of the Council by the post-Conciliar Vatican.
Nostra Aetate speaks of the “spiritual bonds linking” Jєωs and Christians and of the “great spiritual patrimony” common to both. This new approach no longer speaks of the infidelity of Israel, but of its fidelity.[9] The Jєωιѕн writer Lazare Landau rejoiced that thanks to Vatican II, “the Church’s doctrine has indeed undergone a total change.”[10]
The fact that Nostra Aetate is a revolutionary text out of step with 2000 years of Catholic teaching is celebrated, as already noted, by Cardinal Koch himself. He calls the teaching of Nostra Aetate, the “crucial compass” that effected “a fundamental re-orientation of the Catholic Church” after the Council.
This new orientation defies the nature of objective truth itself. It also defies the de fide teaching of the First Vatican Council, as well as the Oath Against Modernism, both of which bind Catholics to adhere to sacred doctrine “in the same meaning and in the same explanation” as what the Church always held. The new orientation of Nostra Aetate is a striking instance of Modernism in action.
Making Explicit what was implicit
Upon John Paul II’s elevation to the papacy, he said one of his primary duties as pope was to make explicit what was implicit in the Council.[11] This is was what motivated his ecuмenical actions, his pan-religious Assisi meetings and other revolutionary programs. Likewise his entire approach to Judaism, including his being the first pope to visit a ѕуηαgσgυє, was part of making explicit what was implicit in Vatican II.
On March 6, 1982, Pope John Paul II declared in a speech regarding Jєωιѕн Catholic relations:

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Our common spiritual inheritance is particularly significant at the level of our faith in a single God, one, good and merciful, who loves men and leads them to love Him, the master of history and of the destiny of mankind, who is our Father and who chose Israel, the cultivated olive-tree onto which has been grafted the wild-olive branch of the gentiles."

Pope John Paul II also spoke of a joint undertaking with the Jєωs as “a close collaboration to which we are called by our common heritage, namely the service of man.”[12]
Jean Madiran, the renowned Catholic writer in France, succinctly explains the novelty in John Paul’s words: “We have two new ideas”, writes Madiran, the notion that Jєωs and Catholics worship “the same God”, and a call for Jєωs and Catholics to work “in close collaboration, two ideas which seem to derive from the logic of the Council… though the Council text did not go so far as spelling them out so clearly.”[13]
Under John Paul’s pontificate, the post-Conciliar Church’s new attitude toward the Jєωs was made even more explicit in the "1985 Notes for a Correct Presentation of Jєωs and Judaism in the preaching and Catechesis of the Catholic Church,” issued by the Vatican Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs. This Vatican docuмent was approved by John Paul II who “ratified it as being in line with own thinking…”[14]
The Vatican text reads:

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Attentive to the same God who has spoken, hanging on the same word, we have to witness to one same memory and one common hope in Him who is the master of history. We must also accept our responsibility to prepare the world for the coming of the Messiah by working together for social justice, respect for the rights of persons and nations and for social and international reconciliation… To this we are driven, Jєωs and Christians, by the command to love our neighbor, by a common hope for the Kingdom of God and by the great heritage of the Prophets. Transmitted soon enough by catechesis, such a conception would teach young Christians in a practical way to cooperate with Jєωs, going beyond simple dialogue."[15]

Thus in this 1985 docuмent, the Vatican—with Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Head of the CDF—is officially inviting Catholics to cooperate with Jєωs to prepare for the coming of the Messiah.
Again, Madiran notes:

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This idea, totally alien to Catholicism, is a traditional concept of Jєωιѕн theology in its view of the role of 'the religions derived from Judaism.' One official indication of this is the declaration made by the Grand Rabbinate of France on April 16, 1973, in which it is recalled 'the teaching of the greatest Jєωιѕн theologians, for whom the mission of the religion derived from Judaism [Catholicism being one of them—Ed.] is to prepare humanity for the advent of the messianic era announced by the Bible.' In its directives of May/June 1985 Rome has thus allotted to Catholicism the place and the role assigned to it by Jєωιѕн theology."[16]

It is worth pausing to consider a recent statement from SSPX Bishop Tissier de Mallerais in this regard. In a speech in France this past September, he affirmed that Pope Benedict insisted in a June 30, 2012, handwritten letter to Bishop Fellay, “I confirm to you in fact [that], in order [for you] to be truly ‘reintegrated’ into the Church, it is necessary to truly accept the Second Vatican Council and the post-conciliar Magisterium.”[17]
The entire new orientation toward the Jєωs is an inescapable component of the “post-conciliar magisterium” that the SSPX is expected to accept, including the Vatican initiative of Catholics and Jєωs working together “to prepare the world for the coming of the Messiah by working together for social justice, respect for the rights of persons and nations and for social and international reconciliation...”
Further, according to the same 1985 Vatican docuмent, this initiative should be transmitted “by catechesis,” in order to “teach young Christians in a practical way to cooperate with Jєωs, going beyond simple dialogue.”
It is not unthinkable that the post-conciliar hierarchy would eventually try to impose such a curriculum on the youngsters in St. Mary’s, Post Falls, Massena and even Winona; which is one of the many reasons SSPX leadership could not at this time make an agreement with today’s Rome.
Committed to the new direction
Throughout his writings over the years on the subject of Catholic-Jєωιѕн relations, Pope Benedict has neglected to emphasize the duty of Catholics to work and pray for the conversion of the Jєωs to the Catholic Faith. Instead, his consistent thrust has been to teach that Jєωs and Christians should be a “common witness” to the one God.
These themes are found in his books: Many Religions, One Covenant; God and the World; Jesus of Nazareth Part II; and Light of the World. I detailed this extensively in my April 2011 article: “Common Mission and Significant Silence,” and will not repeat it all here, but will review some of the most striking points.
Pope Benedict XVI in his book Jesus of Nazareth, Part II quotes St. Bernard of Clairvaux who says that for the Jєωs “a determined point in time has been fixed, which cannot be anticipated. The full number of the Gentiles must come in first…”.[18]
These words are employed to give the impression that the Catholic Church should not try to convert Jєωs to the one true Faith, since there is a prophecy they will convert toward the end of time anyway. [19]
Unfortunately, Pope Benedict does not mention the full quote of St. Bernard that rounds out Catholic doctrine on this point. In union with the perennial doctrine of the Church, St. Bernard teaches, “We are told by the Apostle that when the time is ripe all Israel shall be saved. But those who die beforehand [that is, those who do not convert] will remain in death.”[20]
The complete quote from St. Bernard runs dead against Vatican II’s new orientation, so it is not mentioned. Pope Benedict here is showing himself to be primarily an ecuмenical theologian rather than a truly Catholic one. As far back as 1962, the brilliant Greymoor theologian Fr. Edward Hanahoe warned that a tactic of ecuмenical theologians is to pass over in “significant silence” any Catholic truth that opposes their ecuмenical framework.[21]
Likewise, in the early 1960s, the Protestant Dr. Visser’t Hooft admitted, “the simple ABC’s of ecuмenism” is that “there is no ecuмenical language which is completely unambiguous.”[22] There will always be un-clarity. There will always be elements missing that should be there. This is the nature of modern ecuмenism and its ecuмenical theologians, of which Joseph Ratzinger is one. Nothing is gained by pretending otherwise.
In his 1998 book Many Religions, One Covenant, then-Cardinal Ratzinger laid out a central theme of his theology: that Jєωs and Christians worship the same God, and the implication that Catholics should not try to convert Jєωs to the one true Faith. Cardinal Ratzinger writes:

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Jєωs and Christians should accept each other in profound inner reconciliation, neither in disregard of their faith nor in denying it, but out of the depth of faith itself. In their mutual reconciliation, they should become a force for peace in and for the world. Through their witness to the one God, who cannot be adored apart from the unity of love of God and neither in disregard of their faith, nor in denying it, but out of the depth of faith itself. In their mutual recognition, they should become a force for peace in and for the world…, they should open the door into the world for this God so that His will may be done…"[23]

By all appearances, we cannot help but conclude that Benedict sees Jєωs and Christians having a “common mission” to bring God to mankind and peace to the world. We never see any mention of the need of Jєωs to convert to the Church for salvation. Rather, we are left to draw the opposite conclusion.
It is certainly difficult to reconcile Cardinal Ratzinger’s words to the teaching of Pope Pius VII, who in his encyclical letter Post tam diuturnas, denounced indifferentism and the new concept of religious liberty:

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By the fact that the indiscriminate freedom of all forms of worship is proclaimed, truth is confused with error, and the Holy and Immaculate Spouse of Christ is placed on the same level as heretical sects and even as Jєωιѕн faithlessness."[24]

For what did Our Lord say to the Jєωs who do not accept Him?

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You are from beneath, I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sin. For if you do not believe that I am He [the Son of God], you will die in your sin." (John 8:23-24)

Contrariwise, the new post-conciliar program effectively says, “If you do not believe that I am He, you are still faithful to the Covenant in your own way.” This new approach is the polar opposite of the words of Christ Himself.
When Pope Benedict visited the Rome ѕуηαgσgυє in 2010 he reiterated the same theme found in his books.
Pope Benedict said:

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Christians and Jєωs share to a great extent a common spiritual patrimony, they pray to the same Lord,[25] they have the same roots, and yet they often remain unknown to each other. It is our duty, in response to God’s call, to strive to keep open the space for dialogue, for reciprocal respect, for growth in friendship, for a common witness in the face of the challenges of our time, which invite us to cooperate for the good of humanity in this world created by God, the Omnipotent and Merciful."[26]

Yet we know that Jєωs and Christians do not worship the same God. Jєωs reject the Trinitarian God. They reject Jesus Christ as Lord and Messiah. It is St. John, the Apostle of Love, who writes: “He who honoreth not the Son, honoreth not the Father, who hath sent Him.” (John 5:23)
Finally, as noted, the new approach to be a “common witness” to God along with Jєωs implicitly demands we no longer speak of the need for their conversion to Christ’s one true Church for salvation. It effectively tells Jєωs they have the moral freedom to live their lives as if Jesus Christ were a fraud and imposter.
In fact, Cardinal Koch briefly mentions the sticky problem of Jєωs not accepting Christ, but deals with it in manner that defies reason. Koch says in his May 16 speech, “That the Jєωs are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly, is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery.”[27]
Is it possible for a cardinal’s statement to be any more insipid? The truth is: our post-Conciliar churchmen have mangled traditional Catholic doctrine, and constructed a false theology to serve the new god of “Jєωιѕн-Catholic relations”. These churchmen have adopted contradictions and impossible conundrums, and then try to camouflage the disaster by wrapping it in a pious shroud of “unfathomable divine mystery.”
Vatican II’s “fundamental reorientation of the Catholic Church” is a manifestation of the components of liberal Catholicism: especially “religious indifferentism” and the modernist belief in at least “some transformation of the Church’s dogmatic message over the course of the centuries.”[28]
In following the post-Conciliar approach to the Jєωs, Pope Benedict, in the words of Rabbi Rosen, is “institutionalizing revolution”—a revolution that is a head-on collision with the infallible decree of the Council of Florence that “Pagans, Jєωs, heretics and schismatics” are “outside the Catholic Church,” and as such, “can never be partakers of eternal life,” unless “before death” they are joined to the one true Church of Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church.
Koch and “Anti-Semitism”
Within the past two months, Cardinal Koch once again reaffirmed the centrality of Nostra Aetate in a speech to members of the Vatican’s Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with Jєωs, published in the L’Osservatore Romano, November 7.
The effort to reach an Accord with the SSPX, Koch told the Commission, “absolutely does not mean” that the Catholic Church will accept or support the anti-Jєωιѕн or anti-Semitic positions allegedly espoused by some SSPX members.
“The Holy Father has charged me,” said Koch, “with presenting the question in the correct way. Nostra Aetate is not being questioned in any way by the magisterium of the Church as the pope himself has demonstrated repeatedly in his speeches, his writings and his personal gestures regarding Judaism.”[29]
The pro-abortion Anti-Defamation League was quick to praise Koch’s remarks. “…we applaud and welcome Cardinal Koch’s strong and clear re-affirmation of the significance of Nostra Aetate for the Catholic Church,” said Abraham Foxman, ADL National Director.
The ADL press-release lauded Koch’s reaffirmation of Nostra Aetate as “the crucial compass of all endeavors toward Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue.”
The same press-release quoted Rabbi Eric J. Greenberg, ADL Interfaith Director, saying that the ADL:

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respectfully urges that any potential rehabilitation of the SSPX include the requirement that the Society publicly reject their decades of hatred [sic], and that as an expression of their affirmation of Nostra Aetate, be required to remove all anti-Semitic rhetoric from both their online and their print publications."[30]

We cannot too quickly wilt before the charge of “anti-semitism” or “anti-Judaism” until we know exactly how these potboiler terms are defined. Keep in mind this same ADL, in line with Jєωιѕн historian Jules Isaac, consider St. Thomas Aquinas, St. John Chrysostom, the saints, popes and Fathers of the Church, and the Holy Gospel writers themselves as “anti-Semitic”.[31]
On June 8, 1999, I attended an evening of Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue at a local Catholic seminary. The two speakers conducting the workshop were Professor James McManus of the United States Bishops Conference and Rabbi Leon Klenicki of the Anti-Defamation League of the B’Nai B’rith.[32]
Rabbi Klenicki claimed that the churchmen of the early centuries (those whom we revere as Fathers of the Church: Augustine, Ambrose, Cyprian, etc.) were operating with a highly imperfect view of what was going on at the time of Our Lord. He even claimed that Pilate was solely responsible for the death of Christ, and that the Pharisees were actually trying to warn Jesus against Pilate’s treachery.
In other words, Klenicki propounded the false notion that the Gospel accounts of the events leading up to the Passion and Death of Our Lord are not trustworthy, which can only mean the Gospels are not truly the Word of God.
Traditional Catholic doctrine, Klenicki told us, was poisoned by alleged “triumphalism” and “anti-Judaism” that manifested itself in the so-called “teaching of contempt” of the Catholic Church in the Medieval ages. This so-called “teaching of contempt,” however, was nothing more than the traditional doctrine of the Church, based on Holy Scripture, that Our Lord brought an end to the Old Covenant by His Passion and Death on the Cross, and by establishing the Catholic Church as the New Covenant.
When we fully realize the disdain some of these powerful Jєωιѕн groups hold against Christ, His Gospel and His Church, and when we better appreciate the damage to Catholic doctrine done by Nostra Aetate, we can only tremble when we read the Anti-Defamation League’s Abraham Foxman praise of Pope Benedict for “dedicating himself to the full implementation of this docuмent [Nostra Aetate], and his genuine and sincere commitment to Catholic-Jєωιѕн relations.”[33]
Treating all men, Catholic or not, with love and respect is required by both natural and Divine Law. It is the natural result of the soul who truly loves Christ and patterns his actions on the Divine Model.
Likewise, peaceful relations with non-Catholic religions are legitimate. But reorienting our sacred doctrine to please non-Catholic religions, as was effected by Vatican II, is criminal. Working toward this reorientation of doctrine is, objectively speaking, a sin against Faith itself. For those ordained prior to 1967, the sin is compounded by the breaking of the solemn Oath Against Modernism they swore to God, with one hand on the Bible, on the eve of their ordination.[34]
While the faithful can in no way judge the subjective intentions of the pope (e.g., we do not know how much he fully understand the objectively sinful nature of his ecuмenical actions), it must be realized that Catholics are in no way bound to accept these novel teachings even if they come from a pontiff. We recall the instruction given by Pope Innocent III who taught that if a pope departs from the universal teaching and customs of the Church, “he need not be followed” in this regard.[35] In fact, as St. Robert Bellarmine teaches, we have the duty to resist.[36]
The Fatima Message exhorts us to “pray a great deal for the Holy Father.” May Our Lord soon send us a pontiff who will once again be faithful to the admonition in Vatican I and in the Oath Against Modernism to teach and preserve the Faith “in the same meaning and in the same explanation” as the Church always taught throughout the centuries.

Footnotes
1 “Building on Nostra Aetate—50 Years of Christian-Jєωιѕн Dialogue,” Cardinal Kurt Koch, Lecture at the Pontifical University of St Thomas Aquinas (Angelicuм), John Paul II Center, Rome, May 16, 2012. Published by the Council of Centers of Jєωιѕн-Catholic Relations (emphasis added).
2 From “Pope to Make Symbolic Visit to Rome ѕуηαgσgυє this Sunday,” Catholic Herald, January 15, 2010 (emphasis added).
3 Koch: “Building on Nostra Aetate”.
4 See From Enemy to Brother: The Revolution in Catholic Teaching on the Jєωs, 1933-1965 by Professor John Connelly. (Harvard University Press, 2012). The book’s author is clearly in sympathy with the progressivists, but this does not detract from the value of the docuмentation. This newly published book docuмents the work of progressivist pre-Vatican II theologians to construct a new theology to accommodate modern Jєωιѕн-Catholic relations. It is the work of these theologians, primarily that of Karl Theime, who laid the groundwork for Nostra Aetate’s new approach. We hope to detail more of this material in a future issue of CFN.
5 Christ the Life of the Soul, Abbot Columba Marmion (St. Louis: Herder, 1925), p. 33.
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The race of man after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of Heavenly gifts, ‘through the envy of the devil,’ separated into two diverse parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other for those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth.

The one is the Kingdom of God on earth, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it so as to gain salvation must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will.

The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.

This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: ‘Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching even to contempt of self, a Heavenly one.’ At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other..."

Emphasis added. Quotation taken from Msgr. Fenton The Catholic Church and Salvation, p. 135. Yet as Michael Davies explains in Pope John’s Council, Vatican II, especially the Council docuмent Gaudium et spes, effectively abandoned the doctrine of the Two Kingdoms. Davies writes,

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Gaudium et spes is pervaded by the notion that all men are basically men of good will, seeking the truth and anxious to do good. Far from the notion of conflict between the City of God and the City of Man [as set forth, as we have just seen, in the writings of St. Augustine and Pope Leo XIII—Humanum Genus], the Council Docuмent Gaudium et spes envisages a future where the two cities work together for the common good of mankind." Pope John’s Council, pp. 184-85.

7 See “The Meaning of the Word ‘Church’,” Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, American Ecclesiastical Review, October, 1954.
8 Fr. Ralph Wiltgen reveals that in the Council docuмents, the progressivists would use ambiguous terms in order to exploit them afterwards. He quotes a progressivist Council peritus who said, “We are stating this in a diplomatic manner, but after the Council we shall draw the conclusions implicit in it.” The Rhine Flows into the Tiber, Fr. Ralph Wiltgen, S.V.D., Originally published in 1966 by Hawthorne Books. Reprinted by Tan Books in 1985., p. 242. Michael Davies devoted an entire chapter to these deliberate “Time Bombs” in his book Pope John’s Council.
9. Quoted form “Rome’s Secret Accord with Jєωιѕн Leaders”, Jean Madiran, Originally published in the Autumn 1990 issue of Madiran’s French journal Itineraires, published in English by Anthony Fraser’s Apropos, Supplement to Apropos No. 9 (not dated), pp. 4-6. Emphasis added. See “Common Mission and Significant Silence,” (CFN, April 2011) for a summary of the Madiran report.
10 Ibid.
11 In his first papal address, John Paul II did not speak of his duty to preserve the purity of Catholic doctrine against the many errors of the day, as did Pope St. Pius X. Rather, John Paul II saw his primary task to further the progressivist agenda of Vatican II. On October 17, 1978, the newly-elected John Paul II said:

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We consider it our primary duty to be that of promoting, with prudent but encouraging action, the most exact fulfillment of the norms and directives of the Council. Above all we must favor the development of Conciliar attitudes. First one must be in harmony with the Council. One must put into effect what was started in its docuмents; and what was ‘implicit’ should be made explicit in the light of the experiments that followed and in the light of new and emerging circuмstances." Quoted from Petter Hebblethwaite, “Pope John Paul II,” in Adrian Hasting, Modern Catholicism: Vatican II and After (London: Oxford University Pres, 1991), p. 447 Emphasis added.

12 Quoted from “The Jєωιѕн Question in the Church”, Jean Madiran. Published in the French journal Itineraires, March 1986. Published in English by Hamish Fraser’s Approaches, “Supplement to Approaches No. 93, [not dated], p.4.13. Ibid., p. 4.
14 Ibid., p. 5.
15 Quoted from Ibid, p. 8.
16 Ibid. (emphasis added).
17 Posted on CFN webpage, September 27, 2012. See www.cfnews.org/tiss-sept27.htm
18 Jesus of Nazareth, Part II: Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, Pope Benedict XVI, [San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2011], pp. 44-45. Emphasis added.
19 The progressivist theologian Karl Theime, whom Professor John Connelly calls a pioneer in modern Jєωιѕн-Catholic relations, propounded a similar theme prior to Vatican II.

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Theime noted that Paul had indeed prophesied that ‘All Israel will be saved,’ but only after the ‘full number’ of Gentiles had come into the Messianic Kingdom. If the salvation of Israel was certain, then missionary activities should focus on those whose salvation was not certain. This new reading had already become popular in the emerging Christian-Jєωιѕн dialogue in France, where Jules Isaac was arguing that the meaning of mission had to shift in a post-h0Ɩ0cαųst world." From Enemy to Brother, p. 203. Young Fr. Joseph Ratzinger was a correspondent with Karl Theime. More on this large topic in future issues of CFN.

20 “Letter to England to Summon the Second Crusade, 1146”. From Bruno Scott James, trans., The Letters of St. Bernard of Clairvaux (London: Burns Oates, 1953). From the webpage: Council of Centers on Jєωιѕн-Catholic Relations.
21 Quoted in Hanahoe, “Ecuмenism and Ecclesiology, Part II, by Fr. Edward Hanahoe, American Ecclesiastical Review, November, 1962.
22 "Unity: Special Problems, Dogmatic and Moral", Fr. David Greenstock, The Thomist, 1963. Cited in article as from The Ecuмenical Review, VIII, January, 1956.
23 Many Religions—One Covenant, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, [San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1998], p. 45-46.
24 Pope Pius VII, Letter, Post tam diurturnas, quoted from The Kingship of Christ and Organized Naturalism, Fr. Denis Fahey, [Originally published in 1943. Republished by Christian Book Club of America, Palmdale, CA, 1987] p. 10. Quote also found in The Kingship of Christ and the Conversion of the Jєωιѕн Nation, p. 12.
25 Speaking on the modernist notion that various religions worship the same God, the eminent theologian Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange explained that such a tenet denies the principle of non-contradiction, which is the most fundamental principle of reason. Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange explains,

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It is injurious to say that God would consider with equanimity all religions while one teaches truth and one teachers error, when one promises the good and one promises the evil. To say this would be to affirm that God would be indifferent to good and evil, to what is honest and shameful." De Revelatione, Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, [Paris: Galbalda, 1921], Tome 2, Quoted from “Christians, Muslims and Jєωs: Do we all Have the Same God?”, Fr. Francois Knittel, Christendom, November, December, 2007.

26 “Papal Address at ѕуηαgσgυє in Rome: ‘May These Wounds Be Healed Forever’”, Pope Benedict XVI, Zenit, Jan. 17, 2010.
27 Koch: “Building on Nostra Aetate”.
28 See “The Components of Liberal Catholicism,” Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, American Ecclesiastical Review, July, 1958. For a lecture that explains these components as the root of Vatican II’s new orientation, consult the Audio CD lecture “Catholic Identity Theft; The Components of Liberal Catholicism” by John Vennari (from Oltyn Library Services, 2316 Delaware Ave, PMB 325, Buffalo NY 14216).
29 “Cardinal: Vatican-SSPX talks do not signal toleration of anti-Judaism,” Catholic News Service, Nov. 8, 2012.
30 “ADL Praise Cardinal Koch’s Reaffirmation of Positive Relations Between Catholics and Jєωs,” Anti-Defamation Press Release, November 12, 2012.
31 The term “teaching of contempt” was actually coined by Professor Jules Isaac (1877-1963) the “French-Jєωιѕн historian” revered by Jєωs the world over. In his many writings, Isaac waged war against the Holy Gospels as the “true source” of anti-Semitism. According to Isaac:

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the permanent and latent source of anti-Semitism is none other than Christian religious teaching of every description and the traditional tendentious interpretations of Scripture."

Since Jules Isaac rejected Jesus Christ as Messiah, he necessarily rejected the New Testament as the inspired, infallible Word of God. To him, the Gospels are fallible human writings that can be critiqued, corrected, or condemned. He is particularly virulent against the Gospel of Matthew:

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It is a veritable competition as to who can make the Jєωs appear most hateful. Richly chequered and pathetic as is the narrator of the fourth Gospel [St. John], the palm goes to Matthew; his unerring hand unleashed the poisoned arrow that can never be withdrawn." Jules Isaac: Jesus et Israel, p, 571. Quoted in Judaism and the Vatican, Vicomte Leon de Poncis, (first printed 1967, reprinted by Christian Book Club of American, Palmdale, CA, 1999), p. 4.

32 Details of this evening of Jєωιѕн-Catholic dialogue are published “The Gospel According to Non-Beleivers, Part I”, J. Vennari, Catholic Family News, May, 2000.
33 ADL Press release, Nov. 12, 2012.
34 Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton taught that a man who has sworn the Oath Against Modernism, and then advances Modernism himself, or allows Modernism to be advanced “would mark himself not only as a sinner against the Catholic Faith but also as a common perjurer." "Sacrorum Antistitum and the Background of the Oath Against Modernism," Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, American Ecclesiastical Review, October, 1960, pp. 259-260.
35 Juan Cardinal de Torquemada (1388-1468) was a revered medieval theologian responsible for the formulation of the doctrines that were defined at the Council of Florence. Cardinal Torquemada teaches:

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Here is more docuмentation of the outrageous heresies of Benedict including the denial of the Bodily Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ!

https://novusordowatch.org/2016/03/deniers-of-the-resurrection/

https://novusordowatch.org/benedict-xvi/

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #22 on:** September 21, 2023, 09:45:51 PM »

Quote from: Cera on September 20, 2023, 03:47:37 PM

This may help. Somebody posted this on another thread.

https://padreperegrino.org/2023/09/mtsolf/
What is the Third-Secret of Fatima?

What is the Third Secret of Fatima? The full Third Secret has not been released by the Vatican, but even many moderate Catholics today know it's more than the shooting of Pope John Paul II or a LARPing tale of future-crossbows on a Vatican hill. Last week, I blogged here on Malachi Martin regarding the Jesuits, so I decided to quote him on Fatima today, too. Although I have seen Martin's quotes in more places than one, they are nicely compiled in one spot by Gloria TV. So, I simply reproduce their article here:

Father Malachi Martin (reader of the Third Secret of Fatima) Interview with Bernard Janzen 1992, The Kingdom of Darkness:

Janzen: In our discussion earlier you just touched on the subject of Satan's assault on the papacy. Perhaps we could have a brief discussion about that.

Martin: [...] what I think is fatally necessary for every Catholic to know, and that is the fate of the papacy and the coming stress and danger that we shall be without the strength of the papacy.

Bernard: Is it ever possible that the cardinals at a future conclave could elect a heretical pope?

Martin: [brief pause over the sensitive nature of the question] You know...they have elected men in the past who had heretical ideas. Two or three. They have never elected yet an apostate...an apostate. [...] An apostate has rebelled against the very fundamental of faith and rejected God and Christ. We have apostates now who are papabili [men who could be elected pope]. Yes, we could have an apostate. But in that day, then we are into something terrible. We're into something which, Bernard, is something that, if you think on it, in full knowledge of the meaning of your terms, is nightmarish. It would test the faith of St. Catherine of Sienna. It would test the faith of the greatest saint. It would try the patience of Job. It would be a black day; a day on which you can clothe every window in black and put out the lights and dress in sackcloth & ashes and pray that you're spared because your faith is going to be battered to pieces...if that happens. 'cause then, they have the prize and everything goes underground. And we are indeed on our way to becoming what Paul VI, in his misery, called, in 1978, an infinitesimally small part of humanity. Completely marginalized and pushed to the side and forgotten as a quaint group of people as interesting as Tibetan astrologers on a modern campus.
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Father Malachi Martin Interview with Art Bell on May 4, 1998

Martin: The prophecy of Fatima is not a pleasant docuмent to read – not pleasant news. It implies – it doesn't make any sense unless we accept that there will be, or that there is in progress – a wholesale apostasy amongst clerics and laity in the Catholic Church, that the institutional organization of the Roman Catholic Church – that is, the organization of parishes, dioceses, archbishops and bishops and cardinals and the Roman bureaucracies and the chanceries throughout the world – unless that is totally disrupted and rendered null and void, the third secret makes no sense, and number two, the other salient characteristic about it is that it means intense suffering for believers.
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Father Malachi Martin Interview with Art Bell on July 13, 1998 (the very Anniversary of the Third Secret of Fatima)

Bell: Alright, here we go. Just a couple of things I want to quickly read. One from a friend in Australia, Father, who says, "I had a Jesuit priest tell me more of the third secret of Fatima years ago in Perth. He said, among other things, the last pope would be under control of Satan. Pope John fainted thinking it might be him. We were interrupted before I could hear the rest." Any comment on that?
Martin: Yes...uh...it sounds as if they were reading – or being told – the text of the third secret.
Bell: Oh my.
Martin: It sounds like it. But it's sufficiently vague to make one hesitate. It sounds like it.
Bell: Father, is there any circuмstance under which you can imagine, that you would feel free to reveal the secret?
Martin: Yes. Yes. If there was a total collapse at the center.
Bell: And you anticipate that, don't you?
Martin: I anticipate it as a possibility, Art. I can't predict, but I anticipate it as a possibility, certainly, yes. I do.

"Malachi personally confirmed to me in 1997 that the "pope" who will lead the apostasy in the Church will be a heretic and an antipope." – Father Paul Kramer, Facebook quote, May of 2016

"We're facing.. what we may have to face, finally.. the False Pope." – Fr. Malachi Martin, Detroit, Michigan circa 1989? [November 1992?]

"In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church begins at the top." – Cardinal Luigi Ciappi (Personal Theologian to Popes Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II) from a 1995 personal letter to Professor Baumgartner of Salzburg, Austria; Father Gerard Mura, "The Third Secret of Fatima: Has It Been Completely Revealed?", the periodical Catholic, (published by the Transalpine Redemptorists, Orkney Isles, Scotland, Great Britain) March 2002

"The apostasy of the city of Rome from the vicar of Christ and its destruction by Antichrist may be thoughts so new to many Catholics, that I think it well to recite the text of theologians of greatest repute. First Malvenda, who writes expressly on the subject, states as the opinion of Ribera, Gaspar Melus, Biegas, Suarrez, Bellarmine and Bosius that Rome shall apostatise from the faith, drive away the Vicar of Christ and return to its ancient paganism." "Then the Church shall be scattered, driven into the wilderness, and shall be for a time, as it was in the beginning, invisible hidden in catacombs, in dens, in mountains, in lurking places; for a time it shall be swept, as it were from the face of the earth. Such is the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church." – Cardinal Henry Edward Manning, The Present Crisis of the Holy See, 1861, London: Burns and Lambert, p. 88-90, p. 79

Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, who read the Third Secret, made reference to one of its themes during an allocution to the members of the Marian International Academy he declared, "It suffices to cast a rapid glance at what is happening at this moment in the world, in order to recognize that without the intervention of the Mother of all mercy near the All-Powerful, the world risks becoming pagan once more, a paganism more deplorable than the first paganism, because it is aggravated by apostasy. We are witnessing a veritable deluge of sins, a deluge which leaves behind it a nauseating quagmire, infected by immorality, lies and blasphemy..." – 15 December 1960 – Allocution de S. Em. Le cardinal Ottaviani à l'Académie Mariale Internationale, "Docuмentation Catholique," 1961, col. 244

1963 – In a public admonition to his spiritual sons amidst the Second Vatican Council Padre Pio said: "Due to the rampant injustice and abuse of power, we have reached a compromise with atheistic materialism [Communism], a denial of the rights of God. This is the punishment foretold at Fatima ... All the priests who support the possibility of a dialogue with the negators of God and with the Luciferian powers of the world [Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ] are mad, have lost their faith, no longer believe in the Gospel! In so doing they betray the word of God, because Christ came to bring on earth perpetual covenant only to men of heart [good will], but did not join with the men thirsty for power and dominion over the brothers ... The flock is dispersed when the shepherds ally with the enemies of the Truth of Christ. All the forms of power made deaf to the will of the authority of the heart of God are rapacious wolves that renew the passion of Christ and make the Madonna shed tears ... " – Published in "Avvenire" August 19, 1978; See also partial quote in "The Fourth Secret of Fatima" 2006 by Antonio Socci

"The tail of the devil is functioning in the disintegration of the Catholic world. The darkness of Satan has entered and spread throughout the Catholic Church even to its summit. Apostasy, the loss of the faith, is spreading throughout the world and into the highest levels within the Church." – Pope Paul VI, October 13, 1977 in a formal address marking the 60th Anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun as quoted in the Milan-based daily Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, p. 7 of its issue dated October 14, 1977

"The Blessed Virgin was alerting us against the apostasy in the Church." "I would not be surprised if the Third Secret alluded to dark times for the Church: grave confusions and troubling apostasies within Catholicism itself...If we consider the grave crisis we have lived through since the Council, the signs that this prophecy has been fulfilled do not seem to be lacking..." – Cardinal Silvio Oddi, to Italian journalist Lucio Brunelli in the journal Il Sabato, Rome, March 17, 1990

"Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh. – Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992), Paragraph #675 – The Church's ultimate trial

"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of Antichrist." – Selected excerpt taken from Our Lady of La Salette's Secret to Mélanie Calvatin on 19 September 1846. (Approved apparition) Final version published in 1879 at Lecce, Italy, with the imprimatur and approval of Bishop Salvatore Luigi Zola, C.R.L., the Bishop of Lecce

"I cannot reveal anything about what I have learned at Fatima about the Third Secret, but I can say that it has two parts: the one concerns the Pope. The other, logically – although I should say nothing – should be the continuation of the words: 'In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved.'" – Father Joseph Schweigl 1952 (Pope Pius XII sent him to interrogate Sr. Lucia on September 2, 1952); Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité, The Whole Truth About Fatima: The Third Secret, Vol. III, p. 710, p. 337-338

November 11, 1984 – Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger affirmed that the Third Secret concerns, "a radical call for conversion; the absolute importance of history; the dangers threatening the faith and the life of the Christian, and therefore of the world. And then the importance of the 'novissimi' (the last events at the end of time). If it is not made public — at least for the time being — it is in order to prevent religious prophecy from being mistaken for a quest for the sensational (literally: 'for sensationalism'). But the things contained in this 'Third Secret' correspond to what has been announced in Scripture and has been said again and again in many other Marian apparitions" – Ecco perche la fede e in crisi in the review, Jesus, p. 79

"I believe that there is a connection between that which is announced in the first part of the Secret, which concerns wars and sufferings which would be everywhere, and the second part which concerns the persecutions and a type of breakdown of the faith. Because where the ellipsis (the three dots, "...") was placed, it means "Here is the third part, which is not revealed" and then the conclusion "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved etc." This suggests to me that there is a relationship between faith and the third part of the Secret. Therefore, it is something that relates to the Church. It is some kind of universal crisis which affects the whole Church and all of humanity." – Father Jose dos Santos Valinho (nephew of Sr. Lucia); This public statement was made on the 14th of February, 2003 broadcast on the program ENIGMA, which was transmitted prime time, nationwide on RAI, the National TV Network of Italy, The Fatima Crusader, Issue 74, p.76

Pope Benedict XVI proclaimed the need for a "Year of Faith" that seeks to awaken humanity at a critical moment. "In vast areas of the earth the faith risks being extinguished, like a flame without fuel," the pope warned, "We are facing a profound crisis of faith, a loss of a religious sense which represents one of the greatest challenges for the Church today ... The renewal of faith must, then, be a priority for the entire Church in our time." – Pope Benedict XVI, Vatican City, 27 January 2012 from his address to the participants in the plenary session of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
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Act bravely, my Brethren; take courage, and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.

The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death.

Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.

There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.

Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.

Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head [Jesus Christ], these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish [physically] rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.

Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer. – Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis Of Assisi [London: R. Washbourne, 1882], pp. 248-250;

Hi Cera,

I used to listen to all the interviews with Malachi M. with great interest. Sadly, I've learned more about this man who cannot possibly be any kind of Christian.

I've posted before for you the interview where he declared that the Roman guard sodomized Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ.

Well, here is more information to consider when listening to words of the blasphemous Malachi and also

Fr Nix (who got his start from Opus Dei and has connections to Chabad).

First the scoundrel and outrageous blasphemer Malachi:

Who knows what happened to "Maurice Pinay" after his well researched blog "Call Me Jorge" was taken down. God bless him for his work and protect him from the persecutors! I hope he is okay both in body and soul!

In any case, here he quotes from an interview Malachi had with Skull and Bonesman, masquerading as trad cat, William Buckley:

Malachi Martin: "God Could Have Incarnated as a Cow;” "Priests Should Have 
Been Female" 


"One of the big deficiencies in Christianity is there is no theology of women at all. Although the one 
thing Jesus needed, the one thing he needed, having decided to become human, the only thing he 
needed was a woman, and logically all priests should have been female, you know. But male chauvinists 
got in the way. And as some theologian said, you know --and this is a sideline but let me finish it. As you 
know it's theologically possible for God to have become a cow if he decided. He could be incarnated as a 
cow. But even if he had been incarnated in a cow, we men would have taken over, that's the extent. But 
we've no theology of woman and no theology of love, really human love, because it involves the essence 
of woman and I don't think we know that theologically." (Malachi Martin, December 7, 1973, Firing Line, 
interviewed by Skull and Bones Bill Buckley)

Angelus · « **Reply #23 on:** September 22, 2023, 12:42:02 PM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on September 21, 2023, 09:24:13 PM

Hey Angelus,

....

Benedict does NOT believe the Jєωs need Jesus for salvation.
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Miser, show me a quote in which Ratzinger ever said what is bolded above.

Cera · « **Reply #24 on:** September 22, 2023, 02:51:19 PM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on September 21, 2023, 09:45:51 PM

Hi Cera,

I used to listen to all the interviews with Malachi M. with great interest. Sadly, I've learned more about this man who cannot possibly be any kind of Christian.

I've posted before for you the interview where he declared that the Roman guard sodomized Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ.

Well, here is more information to consider when listening to words of the blasphemous Malachi and also

Fr Nix (who got his start from Opus Dei and has connections to Chabad).

First the scoundrel and outrageous blasphemer Malachi:

Who knows what happened to "Maurice Pinay" after his well researched blog "Call Me Jorge" was taken down. God bless him for his work and protect him from the persecutors! I hope he is okay both in body and soul!

In any case, here he quotes from an interview Malachi had with Skull and Bonesman, masquerading as trad cat, William Buckley:
Malachi Martin: "God Could Have Incarnated as a Cow;” "Priests Should Have 
Been Female" 


"One of the big deficiencies in Christianity is there is no theology of women at all. Although the one 
thing Jesus needed, the one thing he needed, having decided to become human, the only thing he 
needed was a woman, and logically all priests should have been female, you know. But male chauvinists 
got in the way. And as some theologian said, you know --and this is a sideline but let me finish it. As you 
know it's theologically possible for God to have become a cow if he decided. He could be incarnated as a 
cow. But even if he had been incarnated in a cow, we men would have taken over, that's the extent. But 
we've no theology of woman and no theology of love, really human love, because it involves the essence 
of woman and I don't think we know that theologically." (Malachi Martin, December 7, 1973, Firing Line, 
interviewed by Skull and Bones Bill Buckley) 

Miser, please provide citations for these outlandish claims.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #25 on:** September 23, 2023, 02:42:52 AM »

Quote from: Angelus on September 22, 2023, 12:42:02 PM

Miser, show me a quote in which Ratzinger ever said what is bolded above.

BENEDICT XVI PROMOTES THAT JEWS SHOULD NOT BE CONVERTED

Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth – Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, 2011, p. 45: “Hildegard Brem comments on this passage as follows: ‘In the light of Romans 11:25, the Church must not concern herself with the conversion of the Jews, since she must wait for the time fixed for this by God, ‘until the full number of the Gentiles come in’ (Rom 11:25).”

Maybe that is why he wears this hat???

Benedict XVI quotes approvingly from Hildegard Brem, who teaches that the Church should not convert Jews. Benedict XVI doesn’t contradict the teaching, but promotes it and agrees with it. This is complete and total apostasy. On the next page, he even expands upon the point. He declares that the Jews retain their own “mission.”

Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth – Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, 2011, p. 46: “Moreover, we have seen that the nucleus of Jesus’ eschatological message includes the proclamation of an age of the nations, during which the Gospel must be brought to the whole world and to all people: only then can history attain its goal.

In the meantime, Israel retains its own mission. Israel is in the hands of God, who will save it ‘as a whole’ at the proper time, when the number of Gentiles is complete. The fact that that historical duration of this period cannot be calculated is self-evident and should not surprise us.”

According to him, the Jews don’t need to be converted because they retain their own mission and are “in the hands of God.” Of course, this is a denial of Jesus Christ, the Gospel, the Catholic faith, and many dogmas. That’s also why we saw him encourage the Chief Rabbi of Rome in his “mission.”

Benedict XVI, Address to Chief Rabbi of Rome, Jan. 16, 2006: “Distinguished Chief Rabbi, you were recently entrusted with the spiritual guidance of Rome’s Jєωιѕн Community; you have taken on this responsibility enriched by your experience as a scholar and a doctor who has shared in the joys and sufferings of a great many people. I offer you my heartfelt good wishes for your mission, and I assure you of my own and my collaborators’ cordial esteem and friendship.”

https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/jesus-of-nazareth-holy-week-anti-pope-benedict-xvi/

You can find more on this topic here:

https://novusordowatch.org/2018/11/benedict16-no-mission-to-jews-just-dialogue/

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #26 on:** September 23, 2023, 02:45:49 AM »

Quote from: Cera on September 22, 2023, 02:51:19 PM

Miser, please provide citations for these outlandish claims.

The interview with Skull and Bonesman Bill Buckley is still on Youtube.

You can listen to the scoundrel Malachi state the following here:

Malachi Martin: "God Could Have Incarnated as a Cow;” "Priests Should Have 
Been Female" 


"One of the big deficiencies in Christianity is there is no theology of women at all. Although the one 
thing Jesus needed, the one thing he needed, having decided to become human, the only thing he 
needed was a woman, and logically all priests should have been female, you know. But male chauvinists 
got in the way. And as some theologian said, you know --and this is a sideline but let me finish it. As you 
know it's theologically possible for God to have become a cow if he decided. He could be incarnated as a 
cow. But even if he had been incarnated in a cow, we men would have taken over, that's the extent. But 
we've no theology of woman and no theology of love, really human love, because it involves the essence 
of woman and I don't think we know that theologically." (Malachi Martin, December 7, 1973, Firing Line, 
interviewed by Skull and Bones Bill Buckley)

https://youtu.be/Yb0umLAUjw4?t=2847

You can find more here:

https://novusordowatch.org/2013/12/truth-about-malachi-martin/

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #27 on:** September 23, 2023, 02:52:49 AM »

We have to be careful of those who will tell us fables which appeal to our desires:

3 For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: 4 And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.

There is more on the scoundrel and liar Malachi Martin in this interview with Bishop Dolan:

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #28 on:** September 23, 2023, 03:07:22 AM »

As for Fr Dave Nix,

I used to follow his blog and videos with great interest.

However I have discovered that he got his start with Opus Dei

First FOCUS Missionary (Opus Dei) ordained priest Fr. Nix "know for a fact that at least one other Cardinal in the world is questioning" Pope Benedict's "Valid Resignation"

https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2022/12/fr-nix-bishop-gracida-of-texas-is-great.html

and he is clearly a "Bennyvacantist" who promotes the idea that poor, poor apostate Benedict had to flee the Vatican and was forced to resign.

(The Bishop in White from the fake 3rd Secret ?? smh)

He was against the C-vax but continued to support the "Vax-Daddy" as if that makes any sense at all.

He is good friends with Mel Gibson and Taylor Marshall and Fr Altman who are forming the Coalition for "Cancelled Priests" in the same lines as Sol Invictus (Lucifer) worshiper Archbishop Vigano.

They recognize the pope and magisterium but are leading the way to resisting them

which is schism.

It's the whole plan for taking down the strawman church by "resisting" them. smh

This is REVOLUTION

From Fr Nix Blog:

https://padreperegrino.org/2021/04/life-update-2021-04-17/

Life Update 2021.04.17

Jєωs vs. Catholic Basketball Game (10 Years Ago This Weekend)
This weekend is the 10th anniversary of the Jєωs vs. Catholics basketball game that Rabbi Yisroel Wilhelm and I started as chaplains of University of Colorado in Boulder. (You can see how young I looked in my first year of my priesthood in 2011.)

Catholic News Agency covered the story 10 years ago in Boulder:
Although the idea began as a joke, and still elicits laughter from students, an April 17 “Jєωs versus Catholics” basketball game has a serious purpose for the priest and the rabbi who organized it as a form of outreach to their communities’ non-practicing members.

“These are the two main religions of the West, and there are a lot of people who left them,” said Fr. Dave Nix, parochial vicar at St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic Center in Boulder, Colorado. “The second-largest religious denomination in the U.S. is ex-Catholics. This is a link back to people’s roots, in a fun way.”

Fr. Nix organized the game along with Rabbi Yisroel Wilhelm, who directs campus ministries for the Hasidic Jєωιѕн outreach group Chabad. Rabbi Wilhelm and Fr. Nix, both age 32, hope the game will bring back young adults who have fallen away from their religion.
Catholic team members “don’t have to promise they’ll go to Mass and Confession,” said Fr. Nix, who says that “if you’re a baptized Catholic and you can make a free throw, you can play.” But he said the game offers reluctant Catholics “a connection to the family of faith, even a chance to be bold about belonging to it, before they’re ready to make any kind of commitment.”

Rabbi Wilhelm’s organization, Chabad, has the explicit aim of bringing nominal Jєωs back to the practice of their religion. Fr. Nix observed that the Catholic Church, despite its universal mission, often faces a similar task.

“Our mission is to reach every single person for Christ, whether they’re Catholic or not – but of course, our first mission is to reach Catholics. We want to reach people who were baptized as Catholics, but aren’t practicing their faith.”

For men, he said, sports can play an especially important role in this kind of “re-evangelization.”

“Sports is a way that people can trust each other, in a competitive environment,” said Fr. Nix. “It’s sort of like going to war. You can learn to trust someone, but it’s not on the basis of how orthodox they are or how frequently they’re going to Mass.”

“The question is, can they be a real man? Can they act competitively?”
“Discipline is an important part of following Christ, and an important part of sports. There’s a connection between those who can take up the cross and follow Christ, and those who are willing to be competitive for their team.”

Fr. Nix said he was glad to live in an era where a “Catholics versus Jєωs” basketball game could take place in a friendly spirit. But he noted that he and his Jєωιѕн counterpart were not seeking to downplay the real differences that divide the two faiths.

Catholicism and Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidism are “both pretty black and white religions,” he said, reflecting on both groups’ strong truth-claims and adherence to tradition.

Fr. Nix observed that the opposition of his team and Rabbi Yisroel’s is not the “gray versus gray” contest that might take place between more liberal Christian and Jєωιѕн groups. However, in keeping with Chabad’s spirit of tolerant conservatism, many of the Jєωιѕн players will come from branches of Judaism that are less traditional than Rabbi Yirsroel’s own.

Even the team uniforms will contain an acknowledgment of what Catholics and Jєωs have in common and what separates them.
“The back, for the Catholics and Jєωs, is the exact same,” Fr. Nix explained. “The front has a Star of David over the left breast, for all players.”

“But the Catholics have a Cross inside the Star of David,” he said, “almost as if to say: ‘Jesus Christ fulfills all of the Hebrew Scriptures.’”

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #29 on:** September 23, 2023, 03:13:13 AM »

LOL

Glory be to God!

smh

No matter what I do, the post above puts the strike through formatting in the words I post.

I've tried to remove them with all the usual methods to no avail.

Deo Gratias! St Michael defend us!

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