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Offline Nous

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“The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
« on: September 18, 2023, 11:46:31 PM »
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  • What’s the proper interpretation of this? Has this pope already passed? Or is he yet to come?

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2023, 05:13:58 AM »
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  • I've always been perplexed by this statement. 


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #2 on: September 19, 2023, 05:51:27 AM »
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  • I've always been perplexed by this statement.
    I'm pretty sure everyone is.

    But imo I think it is yet to come since so far, the good have not yet been martyred nor have various nations been annihilated, not literally anyway. This is of course presuming that these events are to occur at, or about the same time.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #3 on: September 19, 2023, 06:25:37 AM »
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  • I've always read it as a reference to the assault on the papacy by the Church's enemies, the Holy Father being a generic phrase, and not necessarily a reference to a specific one.  She wasn't talking about Wojtyla and Jorge.  Some have tried to apply it to Cardinal Siri (the hidden pope) and others to Pius XII's last 5 years of debilitating and mysterious ailments, but I don't see it as referring to a concrete situation or a specific pope but rather to the papacy in general.

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #4 on: September 19, 2023, 07:35:16 AM »
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  • I'm pretty sure everyone is.

    But imo I think it is yet to come since so far, the good have not yet been martyred nor have various nations been annihilated, not literally anyway. This is of course presuming that these events are to occur at, or about the same time.
    Without doubt the entire Papacy, and thus the Church, has had much to suffer. I sometimes wonder about certain translations that have come down to us. Do they convey the true significations? 

    If it is a future Pope, perhaps he who shall call the Council we await. How can suffering not be in store for "the man Thou hast confirmed for Thyself?"


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2023, 07:36:34 AM »
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  • I've always read it as a reference to the assault on the papacy by the Church's enemies, the Holy Father being a generic phrase, and not necessarily a reference to a specific one.  She wasn't talking about Wojtyla and Jorge.  Some have tried to apply it to Cardinal Siri (the hidden pope) and others to Pius XII's last 5 years of debilitating and mysterious ailments, but I don't see it as referring to a concrete situation or a specific pope but rather to the papacy in general.
    Oops! I should have read all the posts first. Then I could have agreed with you. :)

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2023, 10:43:53 AM »
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  • I think it's either a mistranslation of some sort (not likely) or that there is and has been Popes in a sort of hidden lineage (either through the Siri stuff or even something else) even after V2 and told to go in hiding by God or else they were captured and are being tortured/beaten etc.  I realize it's a very minority opinion and not any real proof but just a gut feeling to an extent.  This passage would make sense that's for sure. 

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #7 on: September 19, 2023, 04:06:48 PM »
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  • The interpretation that it refers to the office and not a particular papacy seems to make the most sense.

    The only implausible alternative I can think of is a modernist pope being struck with a Saul type conversion, and then, finding himself surrounded by all manner of coercion - “soft” by modernist cardinals and “hard” by malicious global Hegelian enemies of God - he has to face and rectify what he’s done, which would likely necessitate his eventual martyrdom; “For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.” I suppose this could happen, but it certainly hasn’t so far. This pope hasn’t put the brakes on anything, much less reversed course.


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #8 on: September 19, 2023, 04:22:54 PM »
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  • It could also refer to the legitimate popes (past) who may have tried to do the consecration but were betrayed, lied to or disobeyed...or suffered due to their weakness in not making it happen.  And also the (eventual) future pope who will consecrate Russia (most likely, while war/persecutions are going on, as many prophecies say). 

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #9 on: September 19, 2023, 04:33:38 PM »
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  • I've given up trying to interpret anything related to Fatima.

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #10 on: September 19, 2023, 05:00:35 PM »
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  • I believe it refers to a future pontiff who will make reparation for the failures of his predecessors, possibly martyrdom.  He will do the Consecration I suspect.


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #11 on: September 19, 2023, 05:50:05 PM »
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  • The Holy Father who "will have much to suffer" is the same Pope mentioned by Pius X in his prophetic vision.

    https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/st-pius-x-1835-1914.html

    "I have seen one of my successors, by (the same) name, who was fleeing over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in some hiding place; but after a brief respite he will die a cruel death."

    Pius X's name was Giuseppe (Joseph) Sarto. The Pope he is referring to is Joseph Aloysius Ratzinger. Ratzinger is the Pope who "fled" the papacy, and who prophetically said "Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves," in his 2005 Inauguration speech.

    How do we know this? Because BXVI is the last pope listed by a "nickname" ("the Glory of the Olive") in St. Malachy's Prophecy of the Popes. No other previous papal claimants fit the profile. 

    Also, Conchita of Garabandal said, when she asked how many Popes there would be until "the end times," Our Lady told her there would be 4 more Popes, but one of them would reign for so short a time that he would not count. Conchita told that story right after the death of Roncalli. 4 Popes: Paul VI, JPI, JPII, BXVI. End times start with Bergoglio the Antipope, False Prophet, and, soon to be revealed as, the Antichrist.


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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #12 on: September 19, 2023, 06:24:30 PM »
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  • What’s the proper interpretation of this? Has this pope already passed? Or is he yet to come?
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    Oh man, just read the history of the 20th century and what the (true) popes went through, up until John 23. And then tell me if you don't think they had much to suffer.

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #13 on: September 19, 2023, 08:58:22 PM »
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  • The Holy Father who "will have much to suffer" is the same Pope mentioned by Pius X in his prophetic vision.

    https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/st-pius-x-1835-1914.html

    "I have seen one of my successors, by (the same) name, who was fleeing over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in some hiding place; but after a brief respite he will die a cruel death."

    Pius X's name was Giuseppe (Joseph) Sarto. The Pope he is referring to is Joseph Aloysius Ratzinger. Ratzinger is the Pope who "fled" the papacy, and who prophetically said "Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves," in his 2005 Inauguration speech.

    How do we know this? Because BXVI is the last pope listed by a "nickname" ("the Glory of the Olive") in St. Malachy's Prophecy of the Popes. No other previous papal claimants fit the profile.

    Also, Conchita of Garabandal said, when she asked how many Popes there would be until "the end times," Our Lady told her there would be 4 more Popes, but one of them would reign for so short a time that he would not count. Conchita told that story right after the death of Roncalli. 4 Popes: Paul VI, JPI, JPII, BXVI. End times start with Bergoglio the Antipope, False Prophet, and, soon to be revealed as, the Antichrist.
    Hi Angelus,

    I enjoy your posts because I think you have some really good analysis of Sacred Scripture.

    I'm perplexed by something, however...

    are you aware that Benedict XVI is the most likely author of the fake Third Secret and

    promoted the following heresies?

    Saved by Faith alone
    Jєωs should NOT be converted
    Old Testament does not refer to Christ as prophesied Messiah
    Praise for Islam who worship "the same god"

    Denies the bodily resurrection of Our Lord
    and on and on...

    most of this in books he wrote while he was the acting "pope"!

    I don't advocate for everything from this channel, but in the case of carefully docuмenting the outrageous heresies and apostasy of Benedict this video is the best thing available on the subject since it quotes directly from his books:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkPiaS1z6Vs&t=91s


    He clearly wasn't even Catholic and in fact was an antichrist.


    1John 2:22
    22- Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son  [1 John 2:22] 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also.


    This is clearly NOT a Catholic mitre:





    This is where they pray for the Antichrist to come:

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Offline Angelus

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    Re: “The Holy Father will have much to suffer“
    « Reply #14 on: September 19, 2023, 09:34:21 PM »
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  • Hi Angelus,

    I enjoy your posts because I think you have some really good analysis of Sacred Scripture.

    I'm perplexed by something, however...

    are you aware that Benedict XVI is the most likely author of the fake Third Secret and

    promoted the following heresies?

    Saved by Faith alone
    Jєωs should NOT be converted
    Old Testament does not refer to Christ as prophesied Messiah
    Praise for Islam who worship "the same god"

    Denies the bodily resurrection of Our Lord
    and on and on...

    most of this in books he wrote while he was the acting "pope"!

    I don't advocate for everything from this channel, but in the case of carefully docuмenting the outrageous heresies and apostasy of Benedict this video is the best thing available on the subject since it quotes directly from his books:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkPiaS1z6Vs&t=91s


    He clearly wasn't even Catholic and in fact was an antichrist.

    Hi Miser. Thanks for the kind words. I enjoy your posts as well.

    I am familiar with that video and the claims about the "heresies" of Ratzinger/Benedict XVI. The simplest answer to your question is that I don't believe that he was a "heretic." I think the video exaggerates much of the "evidence" and doesn't use the proper standard to determine "heresy."

    If you want to explore that more, Fr. Paul Kramer has written extensively on the topic in relation to Ratzinger and Bergoglio:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1945658134/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1945658134&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />