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Title: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Matamoros on September 03, 2018, 12:02:46 PM

Ann Barnhardt had an interesting post https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/08/06/wolves-in-jacquard-and-lace-on-sodomites-in-traddyland-liturgical-fetishists/ (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/08/06/wolves-in-jacquard-and-lace-on-sodomites-in-traddyland-liturgical-fetishists/)
About ssa’s in traditionalist space. She argues they can never be trusted and should never be allowed to work with boys whether teaching or with acolytes or in choir. Given what we see in the news I have to say I see her point. 
My question is should they even be welcome at Mass? I guess we can’t physically bar them but should they be made to feel very uncomfortable? Like being taken aside by 3 or 4 leading men and told they are being watched and are in no way can they even look at the boys and young men in the parish. 
Does anyone have experience with this and how did you deal with it in your case?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 12:43:13 PM

Wolves in Jacquard and Lace: On Sodomites in Traddyland – Liturgical Fetishists
It is essential that orthodox, “Traddy” Catholics face with manful virility the problems within their own ranks – specifically the presence of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men that are attracted to the Traditional Mass not from any genuine religious belief, but due to Liturgical Fetishism. These men, nearly all of them ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖly oriented, are a massive scandal and are incredibly destructive – driving away heterosɛҳuąƖ men and attracting more ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ liturgical fetishists like themselves.
This problem is, as far as I can tell, a far greater problem in Europe than it is in North America.  Traddyland in Europe is largely an ARISTOCRATIC, UPPER-CLASS phenomenon.  In North America, it is exactly the opposite – American Traddyland skews decidedly to the “peasant” culture.  In many American trad parishes, the women are often mistaken for Mennonites out in the world, with their ankle-length jumpers, long hair, veils worn in the “babushka” way,and non-use of cosmetics.   The point is that precisely because the American Trad paradigm is more grounded in a “peasant” culture, the men are more manly, on average, and thus the priests and seminarians are manly too.  In Europe, there is more of a problem with a spirit of effeteness amongst the men.
There was a bishop in the North of Italy that would take pretty much any priest or seminarian that was “traddy”, thinking in good faith but extreme naiveté that all trads are solid, orthodox, believing Catholics, and that these poor priests and seminarians had been driven out of their respective dioceses or seminaries SOLELY BECAUSE THEY WERE TRADS.  Alas, what ended up happening was this bishop’s diocese turned into a hotbed of these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ liturgical fetishists, and just as with Novus Ordo or secular ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men, the molestation of pubescent boys ensued.  Because remember, all sex perverts are Diabolical Narcissists, and DNs, by definition, are vampiric and seek to create more DNs by hurting, scandalizing and abusing victims.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs especially look to groom, recruit and create more DN sex perverts in order to keep the whole sordid paradigm alive. And so, Bergoglio jumped at this chance, replaced the bishop by installing a liberal Auxiliary, and then basically stripped the bishop of all authority.  But make no mistake, the primary agenda was to suppress the Trad Catholic culture – not to protect children.
Another way to think of this is like the example of a bar owner.  Bar owners have to be incredibly careful about letting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs come into their bar and carry on.  Why?  Because the sight of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs kissing, dancing and acting out is utterly repellant and nauseating to normal people.  It makes a decent person sick to behold it.  So, a barkeeper, if he permits such behavior, can lose his entire established clientele in ONE WEEKEND, to have it replaced with the sodomites, who tell all of their friends that they have just “acquired new territory”.
A situation just like this was recounted to me in a trad parish in Europe.  There was an extremely competent liturgist in the parish, but this man was a raging queen. He was horrifically cruel to both the laymen and the clergy, and was grossly irreverent in the sacristy. He was tolerated solely because he had such a high level of expertise.  Then, one day, after there was some failure to comply with his demands, he threw what can only be described as a “fag fit” and swished out in a haughty huff.  The parish was delighted and relieved to see him go, despite the loss of his expertise.  Why?  Because they were a young parish and they were terrified that this one raging queen was going to drive away every heterosɛҳuąƖ man – both lay and clergy – and attract in more ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, thus turning the parish into a veritable bathhouse. Straight men do not want to be around, much less be verbally and emotionally abused by, fαɢs. Period. Straight men will flee from fαɢs even faster than they flee from domineering, nagging women, for obvious reasons.
I am starting to hear more about these sorts of concerns in North America.  I have received more than one email from concerned mothers of children in trad parishes who simply do not feel comfortable leaving their sons alone with the “choir director” or “altar server organizer” – always “confirmed bachelors” who, let’s be honest, lay the needle on the old gαydar on the peg and then break the spring.
We all need to start speaking up about these things, specifically calling out and ostracizing men who act like this.  Folks, the “queeny” affectation is 100% voluntary.  I have personally witnessed men turn it on and off like a switch. Even if a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ man is not acting out and engaging in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ sex “behind closed doors”, men who ACT like queens, and do everything they can to telegraph to those around them that they are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖly oriented ARE A SCANDAL, and their behavior is nothing less than OBSCENE.  It is also a massively reliable indicator of Diabolical Narcissism. To behave in such a way that implies even a winking approval of, much less a prideful wallowing in sin that cries out to heaven for God’s vengeance is simply beyond the pale.
So, for you Trads, especially those in North America who might not know exactly what this “liturgical fetishim” looks like, here are some key traits to look out for and guard against:

• Contempt for genuine Catholic piety, especially simple piety
• Contempt for the Rosary
• Contempt for rank-and-file Trads as “stupid”
• Contempt for Trads because they “don’t understand Catholicism and take it (the actual religion) all way too seriously”, hurling the word “rigorist” as a pejorative (you think I’m kidding on this one – so many people have been told this it is stunning)
• Accusing Trads who have a full and proper understanding of the 6th Commandment of being “Jansenists” or “Calvinists”.
• Rejection of the notion that the Novus Ordo must be abolished – because the idea that the waiter or janitor or blue-collar rabble have and know the same Mass as the “elite” is repellant, and defeats the entire purpose of their liturgical fetish
• Hyper-criticality, haughtily luxuriating in running down everything – music, ceremonies, vestments, flowers, architecture, regardless of the financial or personnel resources of the parish. Every Mass is “yet another abomination”, the choir is “grotesque”, the servers are “retarded”, vestments are “rags”. Often, the objectively better the liturgy is, the more vicious the criticism will become, because the liturgical fetishist derives intense narcissistic satisfaction from criticizing things that are actually very good – thus proving how vastly superior they believe themselves to be
• Irreverence, impiousness and even “camp” behavior in the sacristy and even in the sanctuary – using extreme profanity, sometimes mere feet from the Blessed Sacrament
• Resenting being asked to help do anything, always acting put-upon and put-out
• Resenting NOT being asked to help do anything
• Never saying “please or “thank you” to anyone – general rudeness
• Effete, queeny comportment – screeching, hooting, feminine raging and fit-throwing

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These are all, it seems to me, pretty common-sense things to look out for.  The key is overcoming the pathological effeminacy that has been inculcated into every one of us and to start doing again what people used to do to these types of people before our culture was destroyed: ostracize them. Cast them out.  Make it clear that there is no place for this sort of scandalous behavior in a Catholic Culture.  DO NOT fall for the lie that “there will always be queer types hanging around the sacristy.”  No, there won’t, if we do the right thing and drive any and all “queer types” OUT.
The summation is simply this:
One cannot be an aberrosɛҳuąƖ (physically active or not) or aberrosɛҳuąƖ sympathizer, and an orthodox Catholic, and expect to survive as a cleric and especially as a prelate – and that’s as it should be. We Trads MUST be diligent about self-policing on this point, because as was explained above, satan has set the chessboard such that his agents will use ANY aberrosɛҳuąƖ presence against us, completely irrespective of the massive, massive hypocrisy of it all.  Satan doesn’t care that he is a hypocrite, and, in fact, derives intense satisfaction in his hypocrisy precisely because it is a function of mendacity (lying) and manifest injustice. The Rule of Law, and specifically the notion of EQUAL PROTECTION and UNIVERSAL REDRESS is under an intense, and perhaps final attack both in the secular realm and in the Church.  We have an ideological tyrant Antipope who is eager to capitalize on the corruption from top-to-bottom in order to gather ever-more power to himself.  Thus, we must be “wise as serpents” and do everything we can to make certain that we give him, and any nefarious actors that come after him, as little as possible to work with. A good place to start is driving out ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ liturgical fetishists from among us, both clerics and laymen, and making sure that our garden is kept thoroughly weeded.
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Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 12:47:30 PM

Some pertinent brief excerpts from this well-written but long blog. See link above:

I experienced this in a Russian Eastern Catholic parish, which had become overrun by perverts. This was on the West Coast. We did not stay very long.

In that parish, at the parish picnic, they would openly embrace and kiss their lovers. They were all in the choir, many were chanters and readers, and they walked like they were dancing. It was so obvious. And they showed open contempt for the Rosary. Any open criticism was met with statements like:

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Oh, do not judge. If we love them, then they can repent.

If they leave, then who will chant the services? Who will direct the choir?

Do not believe it. If these guys were asked to leave, then they would join the local Orthodox Church in America  (OCA) parish, which is now overrun by these guys, no not every parish, but many.

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A situation just like this was recounted to me in a trad parish in Europe.  There was an extremely competent liturgist in the parish, but this man was a raging queen. He was horrifically cruel to both the laymen and the clergy, and was grossly irreverent in the sacristy. He was tolerated solely because he had such a high level of expertise.  Then, one day, after there was some failure to comply with his demands, he threw what can only be described as a “fag fit” and swished out in a haughty huff.  The parish was delighted and relieved to see him go, despite the loss of his expertise.  Why?  Because they were a young parish and they were terrified that this one raging queen was going to drive away every heterosɛҳuąƖ man – both lay and clergy – and attract in more ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, thus turning the parish into a veritable bathhouse. Straight men do not want to be around, much less be verbally and emotionally abused by, fαɢs. Period. Straight men will flee from fαɢs even faster than they flee from domineering, nagging women, for obvious reasons.

I am starting to hear more about these sorts of concerns in North America.  I have received more than one email from concerned mothers of children in trad parishes who simply do not feel comfortable leaving their sons alone with the “choir director” or “altar server organizer” – always “confirmed bachelors” who, let’s be honest, lay the needle on the old gαydar on the peg and then break the spring.  ...


So, for you Trads, especially those in North America who might not know exactly what this “liturgical fetishim” looks like, here are some key traits to look out for and guard against:

• Contempt for genuine Catholic piety, especially simple piety
• Contempt for the Rosary
• Contempt for rank-and-file Trads as “stupid”
• Contempt for Trads because they “don’t understand Catholicism and take it (the actual religion) all way too seriously”, hurling the word “rigorist” as a pejorative (you think I’m kidding on this one – so many people have been told this it is stunning)
• Accusing Trads who have a full and proper understanding of the 6th Commandment of being “Jansenists” or “Calvinists”.
• Rejection of the notion that the Novus Ordo must be abolished – because the idea that the waiter or janitor or blue-collar rabble have and know the same Mass as the “elite” is repellant, and defeats the entire purpose of their liturgical fetish
• Hyper-criticality, haughtily luxuriating in running down everything – music, ceremonies, vestments, flowers, architecture, regardless of the financial or personnel resources of the parish. Every Mass is “yet another abomination”, the choir is “grotesque”, the servers are “retarded”, vestments are “rags”. Often, the objectively better the liturgy is, the more vicious the criticism will become, because the liturgical fetishist derives intense narcissistic satisfaction from criticizing things that are actually very good – thus proving how vastly superior they believe themselves to be
• Irreverence, impiousness and even “camp” behavior in the sacristy and even in the sanctuary – using extreme profanity, sometimes mere feet from the Blessed Sacrament
• Resenting being asked to help do anything, always acting put-upon and put-out
• Resenting NOT being asked to help do anything
• Never saying “please or “thank you” to anyone – general rudeness
• Effete, queeny comportment – screeching, hooting, feminine raging and fit-throwing

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 12:52:03 PM

Let's do an exercise.

Let's pretend you are one of these Trad ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, who has a fetish for the Trad liturgy.

You have 4 options where you could go and plant yourself:

The local Sedevacantist chapel
The SSPX chapel
A small independent or Resistance chapel
The local Indult

Which of them would you be most likely to go with, and why?

I think that 99 times out of 100, the choice would be "Indult", and I'm not making this choice lightly. They have the most people, the most beautiful chapels/churches, and the most resources (best vestments, best lace, best equipment, most ornate altars, etc.)

AND, let's face it, any Indult or "approved by Rome" group is ALL ABOUT THE MASS. Not about the Faith. If they were about doctrine or the Faith as well as the Mass, they wouldn't place themselves under the heretics in Rome, least of all the Pope!

But for the most part, the Indult is all about "the Latin Mass" and how "it's better in Latin" and all that. When that is the be-all and end-all of your schtick, of course you're going to pull out all the stops and make your Mass as aesthetically awesome as possible.

With my vast experience in the Trad movement, my opinion here carries some weight.

For example, Fr. Uruttigoity and his "Johnnies" (Society of St. John) in the late 90's in the SSPX -- they had a huge problem with sins against nature. And I've heard FIRST HAND reports of what they were like, the choir director they hired (who would literally prance down the hallways of the seminary), the ridiculously long lace surplices they would wear, etc.

Note that the SSPX is probably 2nd choice to the hypothetical sodomite in my example above. The SSPX is also pretty large, with lots of resources. It only happened once though, and quite some time ago.

But I have actually seen verification and proof of my "opinion" so many times. I've seen metrosɛҳuąƖs (men who aren't sodomite, but like cologne, expensive hairstyles, manicures and looking pretty -- basically "effeminate men") gravitate towards the Indult. I know for a fact that the most meticulous renditions of Chant are often (always?) found in Indult settings. All they have is aesthetics -- why wouldn't they go all-in in this category?

I know what they do week-to-week at Indult chapels. They sell pizza kits to raise money for stained glass windows. They pretend it's a 1950's parish (which it pretty much is), completely mainstream, with no Crisis in the Church going on.

I also know that sometimes the Trad priests in these Indult churches end up getting into the same trouble the Novus Ordo priests get into. Yes, I'm talking about boys. I know this happened to one priest in the Institute of Christ the King about 15 years ago (Fr. T. S.)

I'm so sure about this, I'm actually bored with it; tired of being right. I don't even raise an eyebrow anymore as new evidence rolls in. When you tell the world the sky is blue and birds fly, you aren't very interested in all the evidence as it comes in. It's not like you had any doubts...

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 01:06:32 PM

Small-town or smaller chapels are the way to go. Where everyone knows everyone. That way, infiltrators don't get very far. 

See, we can happily build up large parishes again one day, once the Crisis is over. Because at that point, bishops and the Church hierarchy will be doing their job again -- including vigilance over stuff like this. Ecclesiastical tribunals will do their job putting wayward clerics on trial and deposing them, Bishops in each diocese will respond properly to reports of misconduct, etc.

But right now, a large Trad pseudo-parish is actually the worst thing. They have complete autonomy from the authorities above them, for the most part, but there are so many people (and resources) that predators are attracted there. It's the best of both worlds for the predator. Plenty of sheep, but not too much shepherd. 

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 01:10:33 PM

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Traddyland in Europe is largely an ARISTOCRATIC, UPPER-CLASS phenomenon.

Europe is a big place with many different cultures. Western Europeans are totally different from Eastern Europeans, former Iron Curtain countries. That quote sounds like an American  winging hearsay.

It is not that "Traddyland in Europe is largely an ARISTOCRATIC, UPPER-CLASS phenomenon", it is that the Western European thinks that he is upper class because he does not get his hands dirty.

All over the world and all through history,  men have had great respect and have followed leaders who are willing and ready to jump in the mud hole with their followers. A real leader leads by example.  In Western Europe, for at least 65 years, blue collar work is considered the work of the low class. The thought has become that anyone with class, works in a white collar job. No aspiring leader is going to get his hands dirty, moreover,  they consider the workers as beneath them and as servants and dupes. That is still not the case in the USA.

European priests who come to the USA and bring with them that soft man attitude, soon find that the charitable parishioners willingness to do work will quickly fade away, when they see the priest "sipping wine in the shade while they work like dogs."

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 01:17:37 PM

In my experience, the SSPX parishioners in my chapel are naïve and couldn't identify an effeminate man even if the man was a flamer.

In Western Europe effeminacy is considered a sign of class and culture. The Western European priests couldn't spot a sodomite if his life depended on it.

There are men who have eyes to see, and hopefully there is at least one in every chapel to alert the naïve.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 01:25:58 PM

Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 01:06:32 PM

But right now, a large Trad pseudo-parish is actually the worst thing. They have complete autonomy from the authorities above them, for the most part, but there are so many people (and resources) that predators are attracted there. It's the best of both worlds for the predator. Plenty of sheep, but not too much shepherd.

Exactly. These predators love the smell of incense, the bells and big choir sounds, the ornate vestments, the glorious altar, especially at Easter and Christmas, and the picnics and banquets of delights served at the larger parishes along with wine and spirits, instead of donuts and coffee.

At Christmas and Easter, and on special feastdays, the choir would be filled with them.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 01:36:51 PM

Quote from: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 01:25:58 PM

Exactly. These predators love the smell of incense, the bells and big choir sounds, the ornate vestments, the glorious altar, especially at Easter and Christmas, and the picnics and banquets of delights served at the larger parishes along with wine and spirits, instead of donuts and coffee.

At Christmas and Easter, and on special feastdays, the choir would be filled with them.

And what is your husband doing about it? Where are the men? 

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 01:45:50 PM

Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 01:06:32 PM

But right now, a large Trad pseudo-parish is actually the worst thing. They have complete autonomy from the authorities above them, for the most part, but there are so many people (and resources) that predators are attracted there. It's the best of both worlds for the predator. Plenty of sheep, but not too much shepherd.

We are still living in today, there are no authorities above the Novus Ordo's. The authorities are sodomites.

The SSPX clergy is easy to police, since there are so few parishioners per priest.

I do not like the use of the phrase predator, it is the same as the use of the phrase pedophile, they are media taught. The problem is a sodomite problem and an effeminate man problem.

The difference between an effeminate man and a sodomite is that the effeminate man has not yet committed the act. Effeminate men are a bad example to boys and young men. Any time I see an effeminate man I point him out to my sons as an example of how men ought not to behave,  to warn him to be on guard about that man. If I find the man to be a danger, I tell the other men, specially the ones that I see the man may be attracted to. If that does not work, I ask God to remove the person before I have to, and He always has removed them.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 02:04:50 PM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 01:36:51 PM

And what is your husband doing about it? Where are the men?

My husband refused to go back to that parish once he realized the problem. When he discussed the matter with one of the parishioners in leadership, he was told that the local Novus Ordo hierarchy and the priest in charge of the Eastern Catholic Russian parish were fully backing the choir director, etc. There was nothing that could be done.

Our son started reading the newspapers at four years of age, and was fully aware of the problem in our local parishes because the news made the headlines in the newspapers and on TV. One priest flew to Ireland to escape prosecution, while another committed ѕυιcιdє in the parish rectory.

As a result, our son became afraid of priests and refused to go to the local NO masses, thus we started our search and began attending the Eastern Catholic parishes because the Traditional Masses took a two to three hours drive one way, and it varied from Sunday to Sunday. We would have had to rise before 5 AM and leave the house before 6 AM in order to reach the Traditional Mass at 9 AM. Our son was chronically sick at that time and could not wake up that early. The road trip would make our son even more ill due to the exhaust and air pollution.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Matamoros on September 03, 2018, 02:23:53 PM

Thanks Last Tradican. 
You come closer to answering my real question and concern. 
My parish is large. An indult parish with lots of resources. 
Music. Ritual. Probably 20 servers. 2 priests. 
The priests never say anything against the faith but they seem to go out of their way to praise the archbishop who is notorious for tolerating heterodox priests. 
So my question is if I have this option do I give them all my support and try and make things work? (As far as I can tell both priests are very straight and not a threat to boys) or do I explore the independent chapel an extra 30 minutes away?
Despite I am confident the priests are straight there are a number of single men I think are ssa who attend. They make up about 20 % of the congregation. 
My bottom line question is should I try to drive these pervert out or - since they are 20% of the parish- should I leave and drive the extra hour to a independent chapel?
OR — as I’m beginning to fear is there nowhere I can be free of sodomites in the pews and altar and clergy?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 02:41:29 PM

Quote from: Matamoros on September 03, 2018, 12:02:46 PM

Ann Barnhardt had an interesting post https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/08/06/wolves-in-jacquard-and-lace-on-sodomites-in-traddyland-liturgical-fetishists/ (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/08/06/wolves-in-jacquard-and-lace-on-sodomites-in-traddyland-liturgical-fetishists/)
About ssa’s in traditionalist space.

What does "ssa" mean? Barnhardt writes about Sodomites.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 03:04:18 PM

Quote from: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 02:41:29 PM

What does "ssa" mean? Barnhardt writes about Sodomites.

Good question. I checked: https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SSA

Acronym / Definition

SSA	Social Security Administration
SSA	Software Support Activity
SSA	Source Selection Authority/Advisory
SSA	Selective Service Administration
SSA	Social Security Act
SSA	Soaring Society of America
SSA	Secretaría de Salud (México)
SSA	Special Service Area (property tax to fund redevelopment of rundown buisness districts)
SSA	Social Security Agency (UK)
SSA	Société Suisse des Auteurs (French: Swiss Society of Authors)
SSA	Soprano Soprano Alto (sheet music parts)
SSA	Space Situational Awareness
SSA	Sickle Cell Anemia (medical disorder)
SSA	Shady Side Academy (Pittsburgh, PA)
SSA	Society of Southwest Archivists
SSA	Service de Santé des Armées (French: Department of Army Health)
SSA	Sole-Source Aquifer
SSA	Singapore Soka Association
SSA	Southern Shrimp Alliance
SSA	Southeastern Software Association
SSA	Special Security Agreement
SSA	Secretaría de Salubridad y Asistencia (Mexican Health Secretariat)
SSA	Single Shared Assessment
SSA	Society of Scottish Artists
SSA	Solid State Amplifier
SSA	Singapore Swimming Association
SSA	SPARC Storage Array
SSA	Signal Security Agency
SSA	Side Side Angle (geometry)
SSA	Solar System Ambassador (NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory)
SSA	Service Specialists Association
SSA	Sisters of St. Ann (religious order)
SSA	Space Suit Assembly
SSA	Service Station Association Ltd (Australia)
SSA	Singapore Student Association
SSA	Singular Spectral Analysis
SSA	Small Slope Approximation
SSA	Société Suisse des Américanistes (French: Swiss Society of Americanists)
SSA	Southwestern Sociological Association
SSA	Sporting Shooters Association (Australia)
SSA	Specialty Sleep Association
SSA	Singapore Scout Association
SSA	Secular Students Alliance
SSA	Shipbuilders and Ship-repairers Association
SSA	Spojene Staty Americke (Czech: United States of America)
SSA	Southern Surgical Association
SSA	Self-Structuring Antenna
SSA	Société de Stylistique Anglaise (French: Society of English Stylistics)
SSA	Simian Society of America
SSA	Singapore Shooting Association
SSA	Student Science Association
SSA	Similarity Structure Analysis
SSA	Software Support Agency
SSA	Single Sailors Association
SSA	Swiss Surfing Association (Switzerland)
SSA	Spartan School of Aeronautics
SSA	Simple Stereo Architecture
SSA	Sonoran Sea Aquarium (Tucson, Arizona)
SSA	special support activity (NSA)
SSA	Security Supporting Assistance
SSA	Supervisory Staff Administrator
SSA	Southsea Shakespeare Actors
SSA	Small Station Association (Public Television)
SSA	supply support area (US DoD)
SSA	Supporting Supply Activity
SSA	Subscriber's Savings Account (United Services Automobile Association)
SSA	Society Security Administration
SSA	SATCOM Signal Analyzer
SSA	Software Sneak Analysis
SSA	strapdown sensor assembly (US DoD)
SSA	Sector Safe Altitude (aviation)
SSA	Space Shuttle America (amusement park ride)
SSA	System Support Administrator
SSA	Small-Scale Area
SSA	Special Somatic Afferents
SSA	Soulshot A Grade (Lineage 2 game)
SSA	Sub-System Allowed
SSA	Software Specification Assistant
SSA	Station Select Address
SSA	Student Services Association
SSA	Security Support Activity
SSA	System Support Analysis
SSA	Singapore Scout Movement
SSA	System Specific Alias (IBM mainframes)
SSA	Synaptophysin-Stained Area
SSA	Supportive Service Assistant (education)
SSA	Soldier Survivability Assessment
SSA	Super Systems Administrator (higher privilege level than Systems Administrator)
SSA	Subject Says All
SSA	Serial Source Acquisition
SSA	Synchro Signal Amplifier
SSA	Staff Supply Assistant
SSA	Subspace Anomaly (Star Trek)
SSA	Society of Student Archivists
SSA	Standard System Applications
SSA	Square Spiral Antenna
SSA	Southwell School Association (Hamilton, NZ)
SSA	Slot Spiral Antenna
SSA	Salle Semi-Anéchoique (French: Semi-Anechoic Room)
SSA	Single Stock Account
SSA	Step Scan Analyzer
SSA	Stochastic Scattering Approach
SSA	Soviet Secret Agent
SSA	System Supportability Assessment
SSA	System Specification for ATCCS
SSA	Series-System Availability
SSA	Space Station Associates
SSA	Special Supply Activity
SSA	Shared Signaling Access
SSA	Shanghai Sanitation Administration
SSA	Société Spéléologique d'Avignon (French: Speleological Society of Avignon; Avignon, France)
SSA	Supplemental Service Agreement
SSA	Street Sweeper Arias (video game character)
SSA	Simultaneous Sparse Approximation
SSA	Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan (India)
SSA	Stock Subscription Agreement
SSA	System Safety Analysis (avionics)
SSA	Same-Sex Attraction
SSA	Standard Spending Assessment (UK)
SSA	Seacoast Shipyard Association
SSA	Situational Safety Awareness (various companies)
SSA	Steady State Approximation (reaction kinetics/physical chemistry)
SSA	Scottish Sports Association (UK)
SSA	Shan State Army (Burma)
SSA	Standard Service Agreement
SSA	Secondary Switching Area
SSA	Security State Assessment (software)
SSA	System Software Associates (various locations)
SSA	Atlantic Silverside (FAO fish species code)
SSA	Search Software America
SSA	Sydenham Sportsmen's Association (Canada)
SSA	Static Single Assignment
SSA	Statistics South Africa
SSA	Salvador, Bahia, Brazil - Dois De Julho (Airport Code)
SSA	Seismological Society of America
SSA	Semiconductor Safety Association
SSA	Senior Security Advisor
SSA	Senior Special Agent
SSA	Serial Storage Architecture (ANSI X3710.1)
SSA	Sub-Saharan Africa
SSA	Sun Sensor Assembly
SSA	Supervisory Special Agent
SSA	Supply Support Activity (AR 310-50)
SSA	Supply Support Arrangements
SSA	Supply Systems Analyst
SSA	System Support Activity
SSA	Staff Support Activity
SSA	System Security Analysis
SsA	Long Side, Short Side, Angle Condition (geometry)
SSA	System Security Assessment
SSA	S-Band Single Access (Hubble Telescope data processor)
SSA	System Safety Assessment
SSA	Sat Sri Akal
SSA	Senior Staff Attorney
SSA	System Security Administrator
SSA	State Space Analysis
SSA	Supply Support Agreement
SSA	Sewage Sludge Ash (admixture to concrete or mortar)
SSA	School Superintendents of Alabama
SSA	Sector-Specific Agency (US Department of Homeland Security)
SSA	Saitama Super Arena (Saitama, Japan)
SSA	Security System Analyzer (software)
SSA	Side Saddle Association (riding)
SSA	Self Storage Association
SSA	Significant Scientific Agreement (US FDA)
SSA	Sensitive Sea Area (ecology)
SSA	School of Social Service Administration (University of Chicago; Illinois)

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 03:07:58 PM

SSA = same sex attraction

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 03:17:08 PM

While it's true that you aren't safe anywhere, it certainly helps when the church you attend doesn't *fundamentally* attract f@gs and other degenerates.

The Novus Ordo is especially bad, not because it has some fallen human beings (because human beings are found everywhere) but because the Liturgy and new religion ITSELF fundamentally attracts these perverts. The new religion is sentimental, emotional, feminine, vapid, Protestant (rooted in heresy), cut off from Traditional morality and practice, etc.

You're right -- there's a difference between "we have a problem here" and "we could have a problem here on rare occasions, because human nature".

That's why you should always ask yourself, "is there some fundamental reason why THIS PARTICULAR GROUP would be a problem?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 03:50:08 PM

I actually think that a great number of male ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are drawn towards the Traditional Mass due to "queer eye" (to the OP's point).  Most of them recognize the aesthetic superiority of the Tridentine Mass and Liturgy.  Now it's often the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who are in some way trying to fight their inclinations.  Those who seek acceptance of their perverse lifestyle will not find refuge among Traditional Catholics but would gravitate towards the Novus Ordo.

I like the term liturgical fetishism.  These were easy to spot at the seminary ... and most of them during my time ended up with the SSJ.  They were obsessed with their lace surplices that went down to their ankles (some of them could pass for racy women's lingerie), constantly primping and ironing their cassock, etc.  Some of us reacted the other way, distancing ourselves from these types, by refusing to wear anything but the plain solid white surplices.

Barnhardt's list of signs to look out for are SPOT ON in my experience with these types.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 04:05:21 PM

By the way, I realize Sean Johnson recently had a thread on the topic of what to call sɛҳuąƖ degenerates? -- 

but "SSA" certainly isn't it.

The thread is the first and last time I've seen the term used.

Any other term works better -- even "gαy" which is bad because it suggests they are happy people, but at least everyone knows what I'm talking about! The same can't be said for "SSA".

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Matamoros on September 03, 2018, 04:09:48 PM

I was trying to find a neutral term. What would you suggest?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 04:20:03 PM

The disordered

bent minds - C.S. Lewis used "bent" to refer to one who has knowingly and unrelentingly given himself over to evil of all kinds; one for whom there is no hope of repentance.

disordered bent minds

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 04:33:03 PM

Quote from: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 03:07:58 PM

SSA = same sex attraction

Thank you!

That's their vocabulary, the vocabulary of the "Sodomites of Sodom Association".

Barnhardt abbreviates: "Sodomites".

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: TKGS on September 03, 2018, 04:34:26 PM

Quote from: Matamoros on September 03, 2018, 04:09:48 PM

I was trying to find a neutral term. What would you suggest?

Sodomite is probably best.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ is probably acceptable.
Why were you looking for a "neutral term"?  How can you be "neutral" in regards to a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: JezusDeKoning on September 03, 2018, 04:53:16 PM

Quote from: Matamoros on September 03, 2018, 04:09:48 PM

I was trying to find a neutral term. What would you suggest?

fαɢs. The sin that cries out for vengeance does not deserve a neutral term, my friend.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 05:08:07 PM

Quote from: Matamoros on September 03, 2018, 02:23:53 PM

Despite I am confident the priests are straight there are a number of single men I think are ssa who attend. They make up about 20 % of the congregation.
My bottom line question is should I try to drive these pervert out or - since they are 20% of the parish- should I leave and drive the extra hour to a independent chapel?
OR — as I’m beginning to fear is there nowhere I can be free of sodomites in the pews and altar and clergy?

What are sodomites doing in a Catholic Church? It is like if I showed up every Sunday with a harem of Playboy bunnies. Why would I go to mass? I think these sodomites are there because the priests welcome them and encourage them to come. The Novus Ordo world is all about welcoming you as you are. 

I would have confronted the priests from day one and have left that place after their first milquetoast response. Lot was not commanded to convert Gomorrah, but to leave it.  

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 05:14:42 PM

Allowing Reprobates in Church?

https://www.biblehub.com/drb/romans/1.htm
 (https://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ro+1:28)

Douay-Rheims - Romans 1

22 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-22.htm)For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

23 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-23.htm)And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things.

24 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-24.htm)Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.

25 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-25.htm)Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-26.htm)For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.

27 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-27.htm)And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

28 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-28.htm)And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-29.htm)Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, 30 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-30.htm)Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-31.htm)Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

32 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-32.htm)Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 05:15:12 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 03:50:08 PM

I actually think that a great number of male ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are drawn towards the Traditional Mass due to "queer eye" (to the OP's point).  

I have not ever seen more than one or two at a time in any SSPX chapel I have ever gone to, and even those left within 1-2 months. I am talking about just effeminate men, for it takes a little longer to see if they are sodomites. Not a one effeminate man can escape my eye. 

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 05:23:10 PM

Quote from: JezusDeKoning on September 03, 2018, 04:53:16 PM

fαɢs. The sin that cries out for vengeance does not deserve a neutral term, my friend.

The terms queers, fαɢs, and fαɢɢօts are now badges of honor among the reprobates.

However, these reprobates still cringe at St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans, which they wish to outlaw.

In fact, in the USA and in Canada, some ministers are being punished for reading Romans 1:27-32 in their churches.
Thus, we should use the words of St. Paul to condemn them as REPROBATES.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: BTNYC on September 03, 2018, 06:39:29 PM

Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 12:52:03 PM

Let's do an exercise.

Let's pretend you are one of these Trad ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, who has a fetish for the Trad liturgy.

You have 4 options where you could go and plant yourself:

The local Sedevacantist chapel
The SSPX chapel
A small independent or Resistance chapel
The local Indult

Which of them would you be most likely to go with, and why?

I think that 99 times out of 100, the choice would be "Indult", and I'm not making this choice lightly. They have the most people, the most beautiful chapels/churches, and the most resources (best vestments, best lace, best equipment, most ornate altars, etc.)

AND, let's face it, any Indult or "approved by Rome" group is ALL ABOUT THE MASS. Not about the Faith. If they were about doctrine or the Faith as well as the Mass, they wouldn't place themselves under the heretics in Rome, least of all the Pope!

But for the most part, the Indult is all about "the Latin Mass" and how "it's better in Latin" and all that. When that is the be-all and end-all of your schtick, of course you're going to pull out all the stops and make your Mass as aesthetically awesome as possible.

Your reasoning is sound, Matthew. 

If anecdotal evidence counts for anything, the swishiest, most flamingly effeminate man I've ever had the displeasure to be personally introduced to was one who regularly served (sometimes as subdeacon!) at the indult Latin Mass at Holy Innocents in NYC.

This was about a decade ago. I extended my hand to him as I would to any man to whom I'm being introduced, and was met with a limp-wristed, well-manicured mitt, held out daintily toward me, palm straight down, in the manner of a refined lady expecting her hand to be taken and kissed! I did what I could to turn that into a normal handshake, but it was like gripping a fistful of cooked linguine. I chatted for a minute or two with him and his fellow acolytes. Words can scarcely describe the profound disgust and discomfiture I felt watching his posture and mannerisms, which were like that of a flirtatious girl attempting to look demure - hands clasped together, talking over the shoulder, eyelashes batting... the sort of thing I was accustomed to seeing the coquettish co-eds of my university days doing; only now it was a silver-haired man in his fifties doing it.

Later, I asked another of the acolytes "what the deal was" with (and at that point I pantomimed a limp wrist). He laughed knowingly and said, "Yeah, that's just Percy (not his real name). He's... kind of funny, yeah. But he's a great MC, and he sure knows his Latin! Anyway he keeps all that stuff to himself. We've never had a problem with him."

The indifference in his explanation was depressing, but eye-opening. Apparently the standards were so low that, so long as Percy "kept it to himself" (which, I guess meant not bringing his boyfriend to church?), it was fine to have him flitting and mincing around the Sanctuary, doing as much damage to the sanctity and solemnity of the Mass - to say nothing of potential future vocations in the pews - as Subdeacon Liberace would have. 

I have no idea whether or not Percy is still doing his thing at Holy Innocents, but if you've been there, and you've seen him, you'll no doubt know exactly who I'm talking about.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 06:54:45 PM

Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 12:52:03 PM

Let's do an exercise.

Let's pretend you are one of these Trad ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, who has a fetish for the Trad liturgy.

You have 4 options where you could go and plant yourself:

The local Sedevacantist chapel
The SSPX chapel
A small independent or Resistance chapel
The local Indult

Here's the thing.  Quite a few of the ones who ended up among Traditional Catholics because they were given the boot from the Novus Ordo and blacklisted.  And the Novus Ordo actually does much better background checks on prospective seminarians than do Traditional groups (due to having more connections and resources).  Typically they go fleeing to the Trad circles claiming that they were persecuted for being doctrinally conservative.  Marshall Roberts was given the boot from ICK for love letters he had written to a fellow seminarian ... then claimed persecution for being too traditional.  Urrutigoity claimed persecution by "sedevacantists" at La Reja as an explanation for why the stories were "fabricated".

Now, there MAY actually be a mix, where they are indeed Traditional doctrinally in addition to having ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ inclinations (which they may be trying to fight).  But, then, it would be like putting a straight man into a girls' college dorm (since seminarians are typically college age).

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 06:59:05 PM

As for a good term.

SSA is probably too weak because many of them do not fight their inclinations.

Sodomite is too strong because some of the do in fact fight their inclinations and do not act on them.

I prefer the term homo or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ because that is neutral ... could be either of the above (SSA or Sodomite).

But Barnhardt's aberrosɛҳuąƖ might be better because it does underscore that this is in fact a grave disorder (and not just an objective alignment) ... except that it doesn't limit itself to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs (since other types of inclinations might be considered equally aberrant).

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Cera on September 03, 2018, 07:03:09 PM

Quote from: Matamoros on September 03, 2018, 04:09:48 PM

I was trying to find a neutral term. What would you suggest?

Non practising ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Matto on September 03, 2018, 07:04:18 PM

Quote from: BTNYC on September 03, 2018, 06:39:29 PM

If anecdotal evidence counts for anything, the swishiest, most flamingly effeminate man I've ever had the displeasure to be personally introduced to was one who regularly served (sometimes as subdeacon!) at the indult Latin Mass at Holy Innocents in NYC.

I have never been to Holy Innocents. Some of the people who go to the SSPX mission also go to Holy Innocents and they speak well of the pastor there Father Miara and say that he is traditional. But I avoid the indult Masses these days. When I used to go to the indult years ago I went to Saint Agnes and not Holy Innocents. I hope there are no sodomy problems there for everyone's sake.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: BTNYC on September 03, 2018, 07:12:27 PM

Quote from: Cera on September 03, 2018, 07:03:09 PM

Non practising ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

And perhaps "non-practicing monosɛҳuąƖ" to satisfy the burning need for a "neutral term" to describe those afflicted with an inclination to commit the sin of self-abuse, but who do not act on it?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: songbird on September 03, 2018, 07:17:40 PM

Two experiences with New Order in 1992-96.  Our daughter, then age 12, went into the chapel and took a pew till I returned.  She came back to me like a boomerang.  Two perverts sat on either side of her and pointed to you know what and .... she got up and left.  We reported but you know how far that goes, no where.

Then my husband 1995, went to another New Order, by himself and he came home saying we were going to the traditional church that I was ready to go to!  Two lesbians sat on either side of him.  Very disgusting.  But, it worked to move my husband, Amen.  

There is no doubt in my mind, that these perverts are more than welcomed, they are doing the service of the head of church and dioceses to destroy.  

Yes, where are our men?  Or  you just get up and leave! which is best.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: rum on September 03, 2018, 07:27:51 PM

The type of trad she describes reminds me of the Fisheaters/SuscipeDomine member HarlequinKing.

I'm also reminded me of Fr. Feeney's description of The Liturgy Loon (https://fatherfeeney.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/the-point-october-1952/):

Quote

The Liturgy Loon. Armed with an unabridged missal and a course in Gregorian chant, this migratory species travels from parish to pariah in search of a properly said Mass.

When he enters a church, his purpose is not to make a visit, but to go on a tour of inspection. And by a few liturgical scowls at the surplus statuary, he can dismiss the devotion of generations of simple Catholics. For the Liturgy Loon’s concern is not prayer, but performance; not dogma, but rubrics; not the Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, but the absence of lace on the altar boy’s surplice.

I connect the influx of fαɢs into powerful positions in the Church, among other reasons, with the loss of emphasis on the Jєωs being the Church's #1 enemy. The post-Vatican II Church is decidedly masochistic, always apologizing.

Ann Barnhardt, the pro-Jєω Zionist (who's probably a crypto), should try to figure out how to be feminine. She's not the best example to be teaching manliness when she's doing her best to resemble a dyke.

(http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Ann-Barnhardt-ar15.jpg)

What a freak.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 07:56:52 PM

The term "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" is like the term "Liberal Catholic".

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 08:00:54 PM

Quote from: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 07:56:52 PM

The term "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" is like the term "Liberal Catholic".

No, not really.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 08:01:31 PM

Quote from: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 07:56:52 PM

The term "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" is like the term "Liberal Catholic".

The term 'ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" is a modernistic euphemism that should not be used by Traditionalists.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 08:04:47 PM

Quote from: rum on September 03, 2018, 07:27:51 PM

Ann Barnhardt, the pro-Jєω Zionist (who's probably a crypto), should try to figure out how to be feminine. She's not the best example to be teaching manliness when she's doing her best to resemble a dyke.

I don't know.  I kindof like her.  She does have a crazy look in her eye, though.  And it's not a wonder she's not married (she commented about that) ... I wouldn't want to be the opposite end of her nagging for sure.  But, in a lot of ways, she shows more virility than most men ... telling it how she sees it without caring about what people think.  To a point, virility (or strength) can be a good quality in women as well.  I suspect that picture was partly a joke.  Or else, the pink gun is her attempt to depict a combination of strength and femininity (even though I think it fails a little).  Even if she's a bit over the top, I wouldn't go to the point of calling her a "dyke".

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 08:07:19 PM

Quote from: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 08:01:31 PM

The term 'ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" is a modernistic euphemism that should not be used by Traditionalists.

I disagree.  What would you suggest?  Sodomites is too strong, since there are a good number of them who try to fight their inclinations.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 08:10:53 PM

What man would want to be on the opposite end of this?

(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/barnhardt-fingerpoint.jpg)

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 08:14:35 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 08:07:19 PM

I disagree.  What would you suggest?  Sodomites is too strong, since there are a good number of them who try to fight their inclinations.

I like the term "reprobate" used by St. Paul in his epistle to the Romans.

If a person is fighting this disorderly inclination and seeking aid in holy confession, then he is not a reprobate nor a sodomite.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: rum on September 03, 2018, 08:15:57 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 08:04:47 PM

I don't know.  I kindof like her.  She does have a crazy look in her eye, though.  And it's not a wonder she's not married (she commented about that) ... I wouldn't want to be the opposite end of her nagging for sure.  But, in a lot of ways, she shows more virility than most men ... telling it how she sees it without caring about what people think.  To a point, virility (or strength) can be a good quality in women as well.  I suspect that picture was partly a joke.  Or else, the pink gun is her attempt to depict a combination of strength and femininity (even though I think it fails a little).  Even if she's a bit over the top, I wouldn't go to the point of calling her a "dyke".

I'd think you'd first want to verify if my charge against her is true, and when finding that it's true, make a decision not to "kind of like her" but to loathe her as a pro-Jєω Zionist (and possible crypto) interloper in Catholic ranks.

And I didn't say she was a dyke. She fits the mold of the butch heterosɛҳuąƖ right wing female, a la Ann Coulter.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 08:17:05 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 08:00:54 PM

Quote from: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 07:56:52 PM

The term "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" is like the term "Liberal Catholic".

No, not really.

Quote

'ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ' is a barbarously hybrid word, and I claim no responsibility for it. It is, however, convenient, and now widely used. 'Homogenic' has been suggested as a substitute. [H. Havelock Ellis, "Studies in Psychology," 1897]

There was no such word before the late 19th century.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 08:18:33 PM

Quote from: rum on September 03, 2018, 07:27:51 PM

Ann Barnhardt, the pro-Jєω Zionist (who's probably a crypto), should try to figure out how to be feminine. She's not the best example to be teaching manliness when she's doing her best to resemble a dyke.

(http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Ann-Barnhardt-ar15.jpg)

Is she holding a water pistol? Daring to play a game on a hot day?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 08:27:51 PM

There are many reprobates, which are not being involved in Sodomy. So "reprobate" is too general.

The Church always called the Sodomites Sodomites.

Sodomite means: Sinner, guilty of Sodomy.

Murderers are called murderers, even if some people are not murderers but have tendencies to become such and fight against temptations.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 10:16:15 PM

Quote from: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 08:27:51 PM

There are many reprobates, which are not being involved in Sodomy. So "reprobate" is too general.

The Church always called the Sodomites Sodomites.

Sodomite means: Sinner, guilty of Sodomy.

Murderers are called murderers, even if some people are not murderers but have tendencies to become such and fight against temptations.

Have you read Romans 1 to see St. Paul's definition of reprobates? They are all worthy of death according to St. Paul.

For centuries, reprobates, inquirers, and catechumen were not allowed into the nave of the church, but had to stand outside the doors of the church or were allowed in the narthex only.  Why has the church allowed inquirers, catechumen, Protestants, Jєωιѕн visitors, Buddhists, pagans, and reprobates to enter the Nave of the church and to attend Mass?

Any one who is a reprobate and who seeks to repent, should pay a visit to the priest first.

It is not a good idea to let reprobates intermingle with the people of the parish.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 10:23:20 PM

Quote from: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 10:16:15 PM

Have you read Romans 1 to see St. Paul's definition of reprobates? They are all worthy of death according to St. Paul.

Yes, they are. But they're not all Sodomites.

Quote from: Maria Regina on September 03, 2018, 10:16:15 PM

It is not a good idea to let reprobates intermingle with the people of the parish.

You're right, sure. But the thread is about Sodomites and not about all types of reprobates.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: BTNYC on September 04, 2018, 12:08:31 AM

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2018, 08:07:19 PM

I disagree.  What would you suggest?  Sodomites is too strong, since there are a good number of them who try to fight their inclinations.

The fact that "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" was coined by a sodomite is all the reason we need to not use it.

The fact that that selfsame sodomite also coined the term "heterosɛҳuąƖ" helpfully illustrates why we shouldn't use either term: It sets up normal human sɛҳuąƖity and sodomy side by side, as two alternate, competing, but more-or-less-equivalent "sɛҳuąƖ orientations."

Which one are you? Coke or Pepsi? Mac or PC? Hetero or Homo?

Finally, the fact that this queer also coined the term "monosɛҳuąƖ" to describe compulsive self-abusers, is simply the icing on the whole farcical cake. Why do we shrug off the term "monosɛҳuąƖ" as laughable, but accept "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" and "heterosɛҳuąƖ" with uncritical docility? What term should we come up with for "monosɛҳuąƖs" who don't act on their "inclination?" Why isn't this quest to come up with a term for "non practicing" sodomites seen as every bit as ridiculous as a quest to come up with a term for "non practicing" masturbators would be?

BTW - If you're interested in a peek over the next horizon on the road we travel by defining people by their perverted inclinations and allowed said perverts to furnish us with the nomenclature to use to describe them, pederasts apparently want to be known as "MAPs," or "Minor Attracted Persons." That little acronym is a bit of euphemism engineering so nightmarishly clinical and banal it could have come right out of the minutes of a USCCB subcommittee meeting (and, who knows, maybe it did). But it pretty clearly illustrates what lies in store if we keep letting the perverts control the language in all discourse about them.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Ladislaus on September 04, 2018, 11:45:41 AM

Quote from: Struthio on September 03, 2018, 08:27:51 PM

Sodomite means: Sinner, guilty of Sodomy.

And that's why a broader term is needed.  This thread is not referring merely to those who actively commit sodomy, but, more broadly about those who have inclinations towards ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

Sodmite ... excludes those who have the tendency but do not act on it.

SSA ... implicitly excludes sodomite because it refers merely to the inclination rather than to the act.

IMO ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ covers the entire range better than either of these terms.  I don't agree that it needs to be rejected simply because it was coined by a sodomite.  What does the word denote and connote today when used is what's important.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ etymologically just means "same sex", so not unlike SSA, except dropping the A which would limit its scope to the attraction.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Ladislaus on September 04, 2018, 11:49:24 AM

Quote from: rum on September 03, 2018, 08:15:57 PM

And I didn't say she was a dyke. She fits the mold of the butch heterosɛҳuąƖ right wing female, a la Ann Coulter.

Coulter looks like a man who had an operation and/or hormone treatments.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: forlorn on September 04, 2018, 03:55:43 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 04, 2018, 11:45:41 AM

And that's why a broader term is needed.  This thread is not referring merely to those who actively commit sodomy, but, more broadly about those who have inclinations towards ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

Sodmite ... excludes those who have the tendency but do not act on it.

SSA ... implicitly excludes sodomite because it refers merely to the inclination rather than to the act.

IMO ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ covers the entire range better than either of these terms.  I don't agree that it needs to be rejected simply because it was coined by a sodomite.  What does the word denote and connote today when used is what's important.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ etymologically just means "same sex", so not unlike SSA, except dropping the A which would limit its scope to the attraction.

Also as I've said before but got downvoted for some reason, sodomite isn't actually synonymous with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ at all. It doesn't include lesbians and it includes heterosɛҳuąƖs who engage in anal intercourse. While obviously sodomy is still a sin in and of itself even if it's between a man and a woman, referring to homos as sodomites is still inaccurate. 

Title: Re: allow Reprobates In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 04, 2018, 04:12:58 PM

I still think that the use of REPROBATE is best. Who can go wrong with using a word preferred by St. Paul (in translation of course)?
Reprobates refers to both men and women of reprobate minds. Sodomites only refers to men.

What is the Greek word used by St. Paul?  adokimos - unapproved, rejected, worthless

Would the phrase: corrupt minds be a better rhetorical choice than reprobate?

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Paul describes two men named Jannes and Jambres as those who “resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith" (2 Timothy 3:8 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Tim%203.8)). Here the reprobation is regarding the resistance to the truth because of corrupt minds. In Titus, Paul also refers to those whose works are reprobate: “They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate” (Titus 1:16 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Titus%201.16)). Therefore, the reprobate mind is one that is corrupt and worthless.
Reference: https://www.gotquestions.org/reprobate-mind.html

Reprobate refers directly to active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who are pushing their shameful agenda. They will use murder and all kinds of deception. Knowingly or unknowingly, they are into satanism for they are "filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy."

Romans 1

26 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-26.htm)For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.

27 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-27.htm)And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

28 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-28.htm)And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-29.htm)Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, 30 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-30.htm)Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-31.htm)Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

32 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-32.htm)Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: MMagdala on September 04, 2018, 08:11:52 PM

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are very attracted to the "theatrical," ritual, and aesthetic features of the Traditional Mass.  I've seen several cases (about 4) in the last 12 months, of their coming in as pairs -- never all at once or anything that orchestrated, but on separate occasions.  It's pretty obvious from their appearance and age, since heterosɛҳuąƖ men in the U.S. never wear such clothes and shoes, ever, nor do they wear their hair in such affected, studied styles.  And certainly two heterosɛҳuąƖ men sitting together would not give off body language which suggests a great level of familiarity.  If anything, heterosɛҳuąƖ men respect the separate space of other men.

The question in the OP about influence on young people in the parish hadn't crossed my mind, since I doubt that the pairs I've seen aspire to such influence.  They are most definitely not a regular part of the parish, and I think our priest would show his discomfort around them, should they approach him about any regular role.  Such men are generally observers; they come out of curiosity, and perhaps to see if there are like-minded men in the parish, which thankfully there are not to any appreciable amount whatsoever.  From what I've seen, they quickly realize how out of place they are, and are never seen again.  ("Nothing to see here.")

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Struthio on September 04, 2018, 08:33:52 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 04, 2018, 11:45:41 AM

This thread is not referring merely to those who actively commit sodomy, but, more broadly about those who have inclinations towards ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

There is no ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. sɛҳuąƖity is a feature of creation, and it is not perverse, not against nature. Also, there are no perverse flavors of sɛҳuąƖity. There are perversions which destroy the essence of sɛҳuąƖity.

There are people who commit sodomite acts. And if you say so, I shall willingly believe that there are people who didn't commit sodomite acts, but are inclined to do so.

Speaking about such, I prefer to use the language of the Church and to reject the terminology of the modern Sodom and Gomorrah. They are Sodomites, or self-declared potential Sodomites, or (in case you insist) peer-reviewed potential Sodomites.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: BTNYC on September 04, 2018, 11:21:26 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 04, 2018, 11:45:41 AM

And that's why a broader term is needed.  This thread is not referring merely to those who actively commit sodomy, but, more broadly about those who have inclinations towards ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

Is a broader term needed to refer to those who have an inclination to murder, oppression of the poor, or defrauding working men of their wages (ignoring for the moment that "Jєω" probably covers the last two)?

The question is only partly rhetorical. I'm genuinely puzzled why anyone here thinks this special term for the "non-practicing" sodomitically inclined person is needed, but not one for those inclined toward any of the other sins that cry to heaven for vengeance. Or any other sin at all really. Is a "broader term" needed for those with an inclination to view pornography but who do not act upon it?

"A broader term is needed." Really? Needed? So the language of Catholic moral theology with respect to so basic a concept as the sin of Sodom and those inclined toward it, was actually lacking a vital piece of nomenclature for 19 centuries until, thankfully, felicitously, some fαɢɢօt came along and (ahem) set things straight?

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 04, 2018, 11:45:41 AM

IMO ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ covers the entire range better than either of these terms.  I don't agree that it needs to be rejected simply because it was coined by a sodomite.  What does the word denote and connote today when used is what's important.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ etymologically just means "same sex", so not unlike SSA, except dropping the A which would limit its scope to the attraction.

You say "simply because it was coined by a sodomite," as though that were just some odd quirk of history, or some insignificant accident. Maybe the phrase was coined by a sodomite, in part, to convince the masses that it was filling a conceptual void that never actually existed. Maybe that's why you - and others - continue to think this term is "needed." Indeed, if it doesn't matter that we're using sodomite-coined terms, then why not just use "gαy" or "LGBT?"

Sodomites are nothing else if not pathologically narcissistic, self-obsessed, and self-pitying. They are narcissists par excellence, taking the giving, outward-looking, life-begetting gift of naturally ordered sɛҳuąƖity, and completely inverting it, sating their appetites in a copy of themselves, in utterly selfish sterility. Is it any wonder that, when God scourged them with the AIDS epidemic, they managed to turn that opportunity for conversion and penitence into a worldwide pity party celebrating their "bravery" and even shamelessly declaring their "pride" in their perversions? Furthermore, is it any wonder that, in the post-conciliar decades, as the Church hierarchy became increasingly comprised of a network of fαɢɢօts hiding in plain sight, that "pastoral initiatives" and "outreach programs" to sodomites became so prevalent, and so visible, and so "affirming," and so "emotionally validating." One the one side, fαɢs were told they were accepted "as they are," and on the other, "SSA's" were given a cookie and a pat on the head and bright shiny gold star for not committing a capital sin that cries to heaven for vengeance. Either way, the whole thing - the whole damned public discourse about fαɢs in Catholic circles - even Traditional ones - has gotten decidedly faggy, full of the treacly false compassion and self-obsessed shamelessness of the out-of-the-closet sodomite culture that has infected the Church at the very highest levels.

To see a term like "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" as needed is to tacitly accept the sodomites' own premise that their inclination is their identity; an indelible "orientation" stamped upon their very soul. That's why the term was coined and, as evidenced by this thread, on a traditional Catholic forum, a century and a half after Kertbeny coined it, it has been a resounding success.

Title: Re: allow Reprobates In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 05, 2018, 12:29:31 AM

Quote from: Maria Regina on September 04, 2018, 04:12:58 PM

I still think that the use of REPROBATE is best. Who can go wrong with using a word preferred by St. Paul (in translation of course)?
Reprobates refers to both men and women of reprobate minds. Sodomites only refers to men.

What is the Greek word used by St. Paul?  adokimos - unapproved, rejected, worthless

Would the phrase: corrupt minds be a better rhetorical choice than reprobate?

Reprobate refers directly to active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who are pushing their shameful agenda. They will use murder and all kinds of deception. Knowingly or unknowingly, they fall into satanism for they are "filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy."

Romans 1

26 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-26.htm)For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.

27 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-27.htm)And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

28 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-28.htm)And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-29.htm)Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, 30 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-30.htm)Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-31.htm)Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

32 (https://www.biblehub.com/romans/1-32.htm)Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

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Sodomites are nothing else if not pathologically narcissistic, self-obsessed, and self-pitying. They are narcissists par excellence, taking the giving, outward-looking, life-begetting gift of naturally ordered sɛҳuąƖity, and completely inverting it, sating their appetites in a copy of themselves, in utterly selfish sterility. Is it any wonder that, when God scourged them with the AIDS epidemic, they managed to turn that opportunity for conversion and penitence into a worldwide pity party celebrating their "bravery" and even shamelessly declaring their "pride" in their perversions? Furthermore, is it any wonder that, in the post-conciliar decades, as the Church hierarchy became increasingly comprised of a network of fαɢɢօts hiding in plain sight, that "pastoral initiatives" and "outreach programs" to sodomites became so prevalent, and so visible, and so "affirming," and so "emotionally validating." One the one side, fαɢs were told they were accepted "as they are," and on the other, "SSA's" were given a cookie and a pat on the head and bright shiny gold star for not committing a capital sin that cries to heaven for vengeance. Either way, the whole thing - the whole damned public discourse about fαɢs in Catholic circles - even Traditional ones - has gotten decidedly faggy, full of the treacly false compassion and self-obsessed shamelessness of the out-of-the-closet sodomite culture that has infected the Church at the very highest levels.

To see a term like "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" as needed is to tacitly accept the sodomites' own premise that their inclination is their identity; an indelible "orientation" stamped upon their very soul. That's why the term was coined and, as evidenced by this thread, on a traditional Catholic forum, a century and a half after Kertbeny coined it, it has been a resounding success.

However, the word sodomite does not include reprobate women who cannot perform the act of sodomy because they do not have the physical apparatus
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This is why the word, reprobate, used in Romans 1 is the best choice.

Take a person who is attracted to the reprobate lifestyle, first he/she is attracted to the same sex, then the desire spawns the evil act, and even more wickedness, until if left in that unrepentant state, he/she will ultimately fall into satanism and then into total depravity. This is the state of the reprobate.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: jhfromsf68 on September 05, 2018, 02:50:02 AM

I feel a distinction should be made between the type of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs mentioned in the article and one who is truly repentant and under the spiritual direction of a good priest. I agree that a flamboyant defiant sodomite has no place in a traditional chapel but at the same time I wouldn’t  discourage or drive away one who wants to convert.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Stanley N on September 05, 2018, 09:48:06 AM

Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 12:52:03 PM

For example, Fr. Uruttigoity and his "Johnnies" (Society of St. John) in the late 90's in the SSPX -- they had a huge problem with sins against nature. And I've heard FIRST HAND reports of what they were like, the choir director they hired (who would literally prance down the hallways of the seminary), the ridiculously long lace surplices they would wear, etc.

Wait, what? There was an obviously queer choir director at Winona? As in, a layman? And Urrutigoity's vice was suspected before he was even ordained yet he was placed as a seminary instructor.
Someone in charge failed miserably.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: forlorn on September 05, 2018, 02:04:57 PM

Quote from: Struthio on September 04, 2018, 08:33:52 PM

There is no ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. sɛҳuąƖity is a feature of creation, and it is not perverse, not against nature. Also, there are no perverse flavors of sɛҳuąƖity. There are perversions which destroy the essence of sɛҳuąƖity.

There are people who commit sodomite acts. And if you say so, I shall willingly believe that there are people who didn't commit sodomite acts, but are inclined to do so.

Speaking about such, I prefer to use the language of the Church and to reject the terminology of the modern Sodom and Gomorrah. They are Sodomites, or self-declared potential Sodomites, or (in case you insist) peer-reviewed potential Sodomites.

If you speak only of sodomites you're leaving lesbians off the hook. 

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Struthio on September 05, 2018, 02:50:08 PM

Quote from: forlorn on September 05, 2018, 02:04:57 PM

If you speak only of sodomites you're leaving lesbians off the hook.

The church has used the term for different sins.


In a 1969 lexicon of christian morals I find that there is sodomia perfecta equated to "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts", as well as sodomia imperfecta between man and woman in vase indebito.
stjosef.at (https://www.stjosef.at/morallexikon/sodomie.htm)

Quote from: Wikipedia

Sodomy (/ˈsɒdəmi/) is generally anal or oral sex between people or sɛҳuąƖ activity between a person and a non-human animal (bestiality), but it may also mean any non-procreative sɛҳuąƖ activity.

Title: Re: allow Reprobates In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 05, 2018, 03:02:13 PM

Quote from: forlorn on September 04, 2018, 03:55:43 PM

Also as I've said before but got downvoted for some reason, sodomite isn't actually synonymous with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ at all. It doesn't include lesbians and it includes heterosɛҳuąƖs who engage in anal intercourse. While obviously sodomy is still a sin in and of itself even if it's between a man and a woman, referring to homos as sodomites is still inaccurate.

The term Reprobate is best, otherwise why didn't St. Paul use the term sodomite in Romans 1?

Title: Re: allow Reprobates In church?
Post by: Struthio on September 05, 2018, 03:12:45 PM

Quote from: Maria Regina on September 05, 2018, 03:02:13 PM

The term Reprobate is best, otherwise why didn't St. Paul use the term sodomite in Romans 1?

St. Paul says that God delivered them up to a reprobate sense. True. But that does not mean that only they are delivered to up to a reprobate sense. Many others are reprobate and delivered up to a reprobate sense.

The term reprobate is much too general. It means depraved (or even simply rejected).

Title: Re: allow Reprobates In church?
Post by: Maria Regina on September 05, 2018, 03:22:26 PM

Quote from: Struthio on September 05, 2018, 03:12:45 PM

St. Paul says that God delivered them up to a reprobate sense. True. But that does not mean that only they are delivered to up to a reprobate sense. Many others are reprobate and delivered up to a reprobate sense.

The term reprobate is much too general. It means depraved (or even simply rejected).

The term sodomite is too limited.

Reprobate also means unworthy, and indeed, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are not worthy to receive Holy Orders.

If the term reprobate is too general, then why do ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs fear Romans 1 and why have they filed several criminal hate charges against pastors who give sermons in their churches on Romans 1?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on September 06, 2018, 02:21:06 AM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 01:17:37 PM

In my experience, the SSPX parishioners in my chapel are naïve and couldn't identify an effeminate man even if the man was a flamer.

In Western Europe effeminacy is considered a sign of class and culture. The Western European priests couldn't spot a sodomite if his life depended on it.

There are men who have eyes to see, and hopefully there is at least one in every chapel to alert the naïve.

How would you know if someone is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?
An effeminate man could be very heterosɛҳuąƖ while the very masculine guy in the back could be very gαy?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on September 06, 2018, 02:24:07 AM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 01:36:51 PM

And what is your husband doing about it? Where are the men?

I think the husband could introduce these guys to the local unmarried female population and let nature take its course. 

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on September 06, 2018, 02:30:46 AM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 03, 2018, 05:08:07 PM

What are sodomites doing in a Catholic Church? It is like if I showed up every Sunday with a harem of Playboy bunnies. Why would I go to mass? I think these sodomites are there because the priests welcome them and encourage them to come. The Novus Ordo world is all about welcoming you as you are.

I would have confronted the priests from day one and have left that place after their first milquetoast response. Lot was not commanded to convert Gomorrah, but to leave it.  

The Church is full of sinners of all sorts. The only ones in my church without sin are Jesus and the Blessed Virgin.

Title: Re: allow ssa's In church?
Post by: Nadir on September 06, 2018, 03:49:31 AM

Quote from: Maria Regina on September 05, 2018, 03:22:26 PM

The term sodomite is too limited.

Reprobate also means unworthy, and indeed, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are not worthy to receive Holy Orders.

If the term reprobate is too general, then why do ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs fear Romans 1 and why have they filed several criminal hate charges against pastors who give sermons in their churches on Romans 1?

The term sodomite is appropriate, but the word ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ is probably more accurate. 
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The word reprobate is not appropriate. 
It appears 6 times in the DRBO, and only once referring to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts as in women changing the natural use into that use which is against nature, and men leaving the natural use of the women, and men working that which is filthy,

whereas the other 5 references do not use reprobate in that same sense of unnatural sex, but to mean adulterous, resisting the truth, rejected (in 2) and cursed.

Title: Re: allow SSA’s In church?
Post by: AlligatorDicax on September 16, 2018, 01:33:07 PM

Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 04:05:21 PM

[...] on the topic of what to call sɛҳuąƖ degenerates? -- but "SSA" certainly isn't it.

Among other issues, the initial ‘S’ in "SSA" could just as easily stand for "single" (ahem).  But it's hardly rare for people inventing abbreviations to give zero thought for preventing ambiguity [×].

Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2018, 04:05:21 PM

The thread is the first and last time I've seen the term used.  Any other term works better --

I recognizeed "SSA" from seeing it elsewhere on the Internet, most likely in Novus Ordo docuмents excepted in the generous postings from the Rite of Sodomy book(s) by (Ms.) Randy Engel(s) [#].  I don't recall the exact contexts, but they were probably among these:
•  screening potential seminarians; or
•  promoting "welcoming" environments ("who am I to judge") for the sɛҳuąƖly aberrant in N.O. parishes (requiring creation of at least 1 new job of oversight at the diocesan chancery level, to be predictably treated as an entitlement for the sɛҳuąƖly aberrant).

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Note #: It seems to me that Rite of Sodomy by Randy Engel(s) has been expanded into a multivolume book series.

Note ×: Among the most inexcusable among somewhat recent inventions: ‘W’ to abbreviate "Wireless" (e.g., as in "WAP" for "Wireless Access-Point) &c., when ‘W’ is plainly indispensable--having no obvious substitutes--to abbreviate the pioneering "wired" technology.  [Expletives deleted] "marketing" morons!  The direction of the technology was clear at the time, so it's unlike, thus not comparable to, the historic need to distinguish "corded" telephone, "cordless" telephone, vs. "cellular" telephone technology.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on September 22, 2018, 01:59:52 AM

I call them (fαɢɢօts) "perverts against nature" on social media, and many of them and atheists gnash their teeth and scathe me when I refer to them by these words. "Perverts against nature" seems to really upset them because it objectively describes their disposition and behavior. They know that expression can't be accepted with pride.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on September 22, 2018, 02:17:11 AM

Quote from: BTNYC on September 04, 2018, 11:21:26 PM

Sodomites are nothing else if not pathologically narcissistic, self-obsessed, and self-pitying. They are narcissists par excellence, taking the giving, outward-looking, life-begetting gift of naturally ordered sɛҳuąƖity, and completely inverting it, sating their appetites in a copy of themselves, in utterly selfish sterility. Is it any wonder that, when God scourged them with the AIDS epidemic, they managed to turn that opportunity for conversion and penitence into a worldwide pity party celebrating their "bravery" and even shamelessly declaring their "pride" in their perversions? Furthermore, is it any wonder that, in the post-conciliar decades, as the Church hierarchy became increasingly comprised of a network of fαɢɢօts hiding in plain sight, that "pastoral initiatives" and "outreach programs" to sodomites became so prevalent, and so visible, and so "affirming," and so "emotionally validating." One the one side, fαɢs were told they were accepted "as they are," and on the other, "SSA's" were given a cookie and a pat on the head and bright shiny gold star for not committing a capital sin that cries to heaven for vengeance. Either way, the whole thing - the whole damned public discourse about fαɢs in Catholic circles - even Traditional ones - has gotten decidedly faggy, full of the treacly false compassion and self-obsessed shamelessness of the out-of-the-closet sodomite culture that has infected the Church at the very highest levels.

To see a term like "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" as needed is to tacitly accept the sodomites' own premise that their inclination is their identity; an indelible "orientation" stamped upon their very soul. That's why the term was coined and, as evidenced by this thread, on a traditional Catholic forum, a century and a half after Kertbeny coined it, it has been a resounding success.

A masterful analysis.

Quite frankly, there shouldn't even be a dialogue about perverts against nature anymore. It leaves open the absurdity that this disgusting, revolting behavior could be "normal". Ninety-nine percent of fαɢɢօts won't listen, anyway. They're too selfish & addicted to the perversion. What's the point of saving 1% by getting them to realize their destructive lifestyle on themselves and civilization, when more people, especially the youth, are scandalized by the dialogue that can create openness or curiosity to this reprobate behavior? All perverts against nature should be eradicated by the state. No more talk. Just kill them all now. Save souls. Save innocence. Save future lives. Save civilization.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on September 22, 2018, 10:33:03 PM

Quote from: Quid Retribuam Domino on September 22, 2018, 02:17:11 AM

A masterful analysis.

Quite frankly, there shouldn't even be a dialogue about perverts against nature anymore. It leaves open the absurdity that this disgusting, revolting behavior could be "normal". Ninety-nine percent of fαɢɢօts won't listen, anyway. They're too selfish & addicted to the perversion. What's the point of saving 1% by getting them to realize their destructive lifestyle on themselves and civilization, when more people, especially the youth, are scandalized by the dialogue that can create openness or curiosity to this reprobate behavior? All perverts against nature should be eradicated by the state. No more talk. Just kill them all now. Save souls. Save innocence. Save future lives. Save civilization.

How about a discussion about how we can promote the virtue of chastity. 

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Nadir on September 23, 2018, 01:19:10 AM

Quote from: Quid Retribuam Domino on September 22, 2018, 02:17:11 AM

Quite frankly, there shouldn't even be a dialogue about perverts against nature anymore. It leaves open the absurdity that this disgusting, revolting behavior could be "normal". Ninety-nine percent of fαɢɢօts won't listen, anyway. They're too selfish & addicted to the perversion. What's the point of saving 1% by getting them to realize their destructive lifestyle on themselves and civilization, when more people, especially the youth, are scandalized by the dialogue that can create openness or curiosity to this reprobate behavior? All perverts against nature should be eradicated by the state. No more talk. Just kill them all now. Save souls. Save innocence. Save future lives. Save civilization.

In answer to your question what's the point...

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The point is to follow Christ in his offer of eternal life to those who are sinners (that's all of us). Yes, the sin is repulsive. Not every one is called to such work of rescuing those who wish to escape such a terrible existence. Besides, generally when people repent it is done in private. The scandal does not consist in aiding  those mired in sin. The scandal will continue while the forces of darkness control MSM, schools etc.

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Luke 15 [1] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=1-#x) Now the publicans and sinners drew near unto him to hear him. [2] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=2-#x) And the Pharisees and the scribes murmured, saying: This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them. [3] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=3-#x) And he spoke to them this parable, saying: [4] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=4-#x) What man of you that hath an hundred sheep: and if he shall lose one of them, doth he not leave the ninety-nine in the desert, and go after that which was lost, until he find it? [5] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=5-#x)And when he hath found it, lay it upon his shoulders, rejoicing:

[6] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=6-#x) And coming home, call together his friends and neighbours, saying to them: Rejoice with me, because I have found my sheep that was lost? [7] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=7-#x) I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 23, 2018, 11:00:42 AM

Quote from: poche on September 22, 2018, 10:33:03 PM

How about a discussion about how we can promote the virtue of chastity.

Are you a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on September 23, 2018, 10:37:43 PM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 23, 2018, 11:00:42 AM

Are you a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?

No, but I think that chastity is for everyone.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 24, 2018, 08:16:31 AM

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The term "ssa" is ineffective and inadequate because of its ambiguity.
Even at best, it can be seen to refer equally to any one of several moral depravities that have nothing in common but depravity.
So then "pervert" is what you'd be saying, but you might not be saying that at all.
Sodomite is a far more effective term, and yes, it can refer to females as well as males.
A woman can definitely be a sodomite, otherwise known as "lesbian" which panders to the terms preferred by perverts.
Another effective term is pederast.
Pederasty applies principally to child molestation but carries the essential distinction of habitual and non-reformable.
Liberals love to deny that sodomite and pederast are essentially the same things.
Any way you slice it, they are all people who are involved in the same sin that cries to heaven for vengeance.
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Examples of ambiguity for ssa:

safe sex always -- refers to someone whose routine is to first whip out a condom in all circuмstances (describing is inappropriate).
stupid stupid a**hole -- repetition of "stupid" for emphasis, means an obnoxious ne'er-do-well, prominent for annoyance.
same sex attraction -- has nothing inherently to do with acting out on inclinations, so fails to convey what "sodomite" does.
subject says all -- used in emails where the subject line contains the message so "SSA" in the body refers back to the subject line.
stupid, single and sassy (SSAS) -- easily misconstrued for plural ssa, refers to girls who are forward and disrespectful.
standard school attire -- IOW the wearing of a school uniform, which has nothing to do with perversion.
supplemental service agreement -- standard legal term commonly used in service contracts.
sector safe altitude -- aviation acronym, in an industry where 3-letter acronyms are everyday terms even in conversation.
Salvador, Bahia, Brazil - Dois De Julho -- where you should check for your missing luggage when you wrote "SSA" on your tags.
Side Saddle Association -- for women and girls involved in equestrian activities.
soprano, soprano, alto -- if you're involved in ordering choral sheet music, this is the only possible meaning.
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Not to mention the umpteen other common uses of ssa as noted by Maria Regina on the first page, the vastly most common application being Social Security Administration, or by association, anyone who depends on social security (type ssa.gov [Enter] in your URL bar and see what you get):
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SSA Social Security Administration
SSA Software Support Activity
SSA Source Selection Authority/Advisory
SSA Selective Service Administration
SSA Social Security Act
SSA Soaring Society of America
SSA Secretaría de Salud (México)
SSA Special Service Area (property tax to fund redevelopment of rundown buisness districts)
SSA Social Security Agency (UK)
SSA Société Suisse des Auteurs (French: Swiss Society of Authors)
SSA Soprano Soprano Alto (sheet music parts)
SSA Space Situational Awareness
SSA Sickle Cell Anemia (medical disorder)
SSA Shady Side Academy (Pittsburgh, PA)
SSA Society of Southwest Archivists
SSA Service de Santé des Armées (French: Department of Army Health)
SSA Sole-Source Aquifer
SSA Singapore Soka Association
SSA Southern Shrimp Alliance
SSA Southeastern Software Association
SSA Special Security Agreement
SSA Secretaría de Salubridad y Asistencia (Mexican Health Secretariat)
SSA Single Shared Assessment
SSA Society of Scottish Artists
SSA Solid State Amplifier
SSA Singapore Swimming Association
SSA SPARC Storage Array
SSA Signal Security Agency
SSA Side Side Angle (geometry)
SSA Solar System Ambassador (NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory)
SSA Service Specialists Association
SSA Sisters of St. Ann (religious order)
SSA Space Suit Assembly
SSA Service Station Association Ltd (Australia)
SSA Singapore Student Association
SSA Singular Spectral Analysis
SSA Small Slope Approximation
SSA Société Suisse des Américanistes (French: Swiss Society of Americanists)
SSA Southwestern Sociological Association
SSA Sporting Shooters Association (Australia)
SSA Specialty Sleep Association
SSA Singapore Scout Association
SSA Secular Students Alliance
SSA Shipbuilders and Ship-repairers Association
SSA Spojene Staty Americke (Czech: United States of America)
SSA Southern Surgical Association
SSA Self-Structuring Antenna
SSA Société de Stylistique Anglaise (French: Society of English Stylistics)
SSA Simian Society of America
SSA Singapore Shooting Association
SSA Student Science Association
SSA Similarity Structure Analysis
SSA Software Support Agency
SSA Single Sailors Association
SSA Swiss Surfing Association (Switzerland)
SSA Spartan School of Aeronautics
SSA Simple Stereo Architecture
SSA Sonoran Sea Aquarium (Tucson, Arizona)
SSA special support activity (NSA)
SSA Security Supporting Assistance
SSA Supervisory Staff Administrator
SSA Southsea Shakespeare Actors
SSA Small Station Association (Public Television)
SSA supply support area (US DoD)
SSA Supporting Supply Activity
SSA Subscriber's Savings Account (United Services Automobile Association)
SSA Society Security Administration
SSA SATCOM Signal Analyzer
SSA Software Sneak Analysis
SSA strapdown sensor assembly (US DoD)
SSA Sector Safe Altitude (aviation)
SSA Space Shuttle America (amusement park ride)
SSA System Support Administrator
SSA Small-Scale Area
SSA Special Somatic Afferents
SSA Soulshot A Grade (Lineage 2 game)
SSA Sub-System Allowed
SSA Software Specification Assistant
SSA Station Select Address
SSA Student Services Association
SSA Security Support Activity
SSA System Support Analysis
SSA Singapore Scout Movement
SSA System Specific Alias (IBM mainframes)
SSA Synaptophysin-Stained Area
SSA Supportive Service Assistant (education)
SSA Soldier Survivability Assessment
SSA Super Systems Administrator (higher privilege level than Systems Administrator)
SSA Subject Says All
SSA Serial Source Acquisition
SSA Synchro Signal Amplifier
SSA Staff Supply Assistant
SSA Subspace Anomaly (Star Trek)
SSA Society of Student Archivists
SSA Standard System Applications
SSA Square Spiral Antenna
SSA Southwell School Association (Hamilton, NZ)
SSA Slot Spiral Antenna
SSA Salle Semi-Anéchoique (French: Semi-Anechoic Room)
SSA Single Stock Account
SSA Step Scan Analyzer
SSA Stochastic Scattering Approach
SSA Soviet Secret Agent
SSA System Supportability Assessment
SSA System Specification for ATCCS
SSA Series-System Availability
SSA Space Station Associates
SSA Special Supply Activity
SSA Shared Signaling Access
SSA Shanghai Sanitation Administration
SSA Société Spéléologique d'Avignon (French: Speleological Society of Avignon; Avignon, France)
SSA Supplemental Service Agreement
SSA Street Sweeper Arias (video game character)
SSA Simultaneous Sparse Approximation
SSA Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan (India)
SSA Stock Subscription Agreement
SSA System Safety Analysis (avionics)
SSA Same-Sex Attraction
SSA Standard Spending Assessment (UK)
SSA Seacoast Shipyard Association
SSA Situational Safety Awareness (various companies)
SSA Steady State Approximation (reaction kinetics/physical chemistry)
SSA Scottish Sports Association (UK)
SSA Shan State Army (Burma)
SSA Standard Service Agreement
SSA Secondary Switching Area
SSA Security State Assessment (software)
SSA System Software Associates (various locations)
SSA Atlantic Silverside (FAO fish species code)
SSA Search Software America
SSA Sydenham Sportsmen's Association (Canada)
SSA Static Single Assignment
SSA Statistics South Africa
SSA Salvador, Bahia, Brazil - Dois De Julho (Airport Code)
SSA Seismological Society of America
SSA Semiconductor Safety Association
SSA Senior Security Advisor
SSA Senior Special Agent
SSA Serial Storage Architecture (ANSI X3710.1)
SSA Sub-Saharan Africa
SSA Sun Sensor Assembly
SSA Supervisory Special Agent
SSA Supply Support Activity (AR 310-50)
SSA Supply Support Arrangements
SSA Supply Systems Analyst
SSA System Support Activity
SSA Staff Support Activity
SSA System Security Analysis
SsA Long Side, Short Side, Angle Condition (geometry)
SSA System Security Assessment
SSA S-Band Single Access (Hubble Telescope data processor)
SSA System Safety Assessment
SSA Sat Sri Akal
SSA Senior Staff Attorney
SSA System Security Administrator
SSA State Space Analysis
SSA Supply Support Agreement
SSA Sewage Sludge Ash (admixture to concrete or mortar)
SSA School Superintendents of Alabama
SSA Sector-Specific Agency (US Department of Homeland Security)
SSA Saitama Super Arena (Saitama, Japan)
SSA Security System Analyzer (software)
SSA Side Saddle Association (riding)
SSA Self Storage Association
SSA Significant Scientific Agreement (US FDA)
SSA Sensitive Sea Area (ecology)
SSA School of Social Service Administration (University of Chicago; Illinois)

Title: Re: allow Reprobates In church?
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 24, 2018, 08:57:34 AM

Quote from: Maria Regina on September 05, 2018, 03:22:26 PM

The term sodomite is too limited.

Reprobate also means unworthy, and indeed, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are not worthy to receive Holy Orders.

If the term reprobate is too general, then why do ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs fear Romans 1 and why have they filed several criminal hate charges against pastors who give sermons in their churches on Romans 1?

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I don't think sodomites or pederasts have any abiding fear of the word "reprobate" and they would have the same compunction against Romans 1 if St. Paul had used "sodomite" or "pederast" in lieu of "reprobate." It's the overall message that they cannot stand. 
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They hate being called out for what they are, because it is part of their state of depravity to promote its acceptance worldwide. Their unstoppable passion is to make their perversion acceptable as "normal" everywhere and at all times. They cannot rest so long as there remains anyone who is opposed to their perversion, which is why they are "worthy of death" as The Apostle says. Reason being, that ultimately they will push, push, push, until it becomes a crime eligible for Captial Punishment to be opposed to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ perversion. So it becomes a case of kill or be killed, typical of WAR. 
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This is a WAR against nature itself, and like it or not, everyone is involved. Sodomites have pushed their agenda through activism, and liberals, being the morally weak and complicit that they are, have allowed them to be successful through cooperation with the pederasty agenda, which is why The Apostle says, "...they who do such things are worthy of death; not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them" (Rom. 1:32).

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Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 24, 2018, 11:11:06 AM

Quote from: poche on September 23, 2018, 10:37:43 PM

No, but I think that chastity is for everyone.

Telling a man who lusts for men to be chaste is like telling a man who lusts for sheep. They both lust for something unnatural, until recent times the thoughts of both were considered mental illness. They are mental illnesses. 

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 24, 2018, 04:00:41 PM

Quote from: BTNYC on September 04, 2018, 11:21:26 PM

To see a term like "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" as needed is to tacitly accept the sodomites' own premise that their inclination is their identity; an indelible "orientation" stamped upon their very soul. That's why the term was coined and, as evidenced by this thread, on a traditional Catholic forum, a century and a half after Kertbeny coined it, it has been a resounding success.

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The root word homo has the uncommon etymology of being derived not only from the Greek homos (same), but also from Medieval Latin use (M. Lat. homogeneus - Gr. homos and Gr. genos (kind), having been adapted into M. Latin), as it was used in English, homogeneous. Usually Greek roots and Latin roots are not mixed in one word. The classical Latin word homo means man. Consequently whether the root homo- in "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" would be Greek or Latin is obfuscated by the suffix "sɛҳuąƖ," which is derived from Latin, however, since Greek and Latin both have a root word "homo," the Greek connotation of sameness cannot be easily dismissed.
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From etymonline.com (https://www.etymonline.com/word/ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ):
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ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ (adj.)
1892, in C.G. Chaddock's translation of Krafft-Ebing's "Psychopathia sɛҳuąƖis," from German ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖe (by 1880, in Gustav Jäger), from Greek homos "same" (see homo- (https://www.etymonline.com/word/homo-?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_12128) (1)) + Latin-based sɛҳuąƖ (https://www.etymonline.com/word/sɛҳuąƖ?ref=etymonline_crossreference).

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'ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ' is a barbarously hybrid word, and I claim no responsibility for it. It is, however, convenient, and now widely used. 'Homogenic' has been suggested as a substitute. [H. Havelock Ellis, "Studies in Psychology," 1897]

sɛҳuąƖ inversion (1883, later simply inversion (https://www.etymonline.com/word/inversion?ref=etymonline_crossreference), by 1895) was an earlier clinical term for "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity" in English, said by Ellis to have originated in Italian psychology writing. See also uranian (https://www.etymonline.com/word/uranian?ref=etymonline_crossreference). Unnatural love was used 18c.-19c. for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity as well as pederasty and incest.
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ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ (n.)
"ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person," by 1895, from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ (https://www.etymonline.com/word/ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_12134) (adj.). In technical use, either male or female; but in non-technical use almost always male. Slang shortened form homo attested by 1929.
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Note: the slang shortened form homo, is likewise "barbarously hybrid" and improper, since there is no way to know whether it is derived from the Greek or the Latin, so it could equally be derived from "same" or "man," and even more so improperly, "same man."

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 24, 2018, 04:07:47 PM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 24, 2018, 11:11:06 AM

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They both lust for something unnatural, until recent times the thoughts of both were considered mental illness. They are mental illnesses.

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Sodomites and pederasts alike are infected with a total body-mind-spirit corruption that melds the perversion into the whole person without distinction between the body, mind or spirit; all-consuming. It's not just a "mental illness." It is an illness of the whole being.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on September 24, 2018, 05:58:19 PM

Quote from: Nadir on September 23, 2018, 01:19:10 AM

In answer to your question what's the point...

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The point is to follow Christ in his offer of eternal life to those who are sinners (that's all of us). Yes, the sin is repulsive. Not every one is called to such work of rescuing those who wish to escape such a terrible existence. Besides, generally when people repent it is done in private. The scandal does not consist in aiding  those mired in sin. The scandal will continue while the forces of darkness control MSM, schools etc.

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Luke 15 [1] (https://www.cathinfo.com/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=1-#x) Now the publicans and sinners drew near unto him to hear him. [2] (https://www.cathinfo.com/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=2-#x) And the Pharisees and the scribes murmured, saying: This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them. [3] (https://www.cathinfo.com/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=3-#x) And he spoke to them this parable, saying: [4] (https://www.cathinfo.com/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=4-#x) What man of you that hath an hundred sheep: and if he shall lose one of them, doth he not leave the ninety-nine in the desert, and go after that which was lost, until he find it? [5] (https://www.cathinfo.com/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=5-#x)And when he hath found it, lay it upon his shoulders, rejoicing:

[6] (https://www.cathinfo.com/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=6-#x) And coming home, call together his friends and neighbours, saying to them: Rejoice with me, because I have found my sheep that was lost? [7] (https://www.cathinfo.com/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=15&l=7-#x) I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.

But more souls are going to hell for being corrupted because perverts against nature are allowed to live openly and propagate their abominations in public. It's a scandal to children and impressionable people, and it's part of the social engineering campaign. The parable that you referenced is different because the 99 sheep were not in any danger of dying or becoming lost when the shepherd went after the one sheep that was lost. Heaven doesn't rejoice when one person is saved but far more people are corrupted and, thus, suffer hell eternal, because such one saved person was afflicted by the very vice that was allowed to be celebrated & propagated in public. God can still grant these perverts against nature the grace to reject their vice, even when they're forced to keep their grotesque lifestyle in private. The Church can still minister to them, if they seek the Church's help. There is no moral or practical reason to allow perverts against nature to publicly exist. What they do behind closed doors is between them and God, and God will judge them soon enough, but in the meantime, civilization must be preserved and Christ's Social Reign honored by executing these transgressors against God's Divine Law and natural law.

Even Pope St. Pius V ordered fαɢɢօt priests to be handed over to civil authorities for execution, because their existence was too harmful to the faithful.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on September 25, 2018, 12:51:36 AM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 24, 2018, 11:11:06 AM

Telling a man who lusts for men to be chaste is like telling a man who lusts for sheep. They both lust for something unnatural, until recent times the thoughts of both were considered mental illness. They are mental illnesses.

The real problem that we have is the lack of respect for the virtue of chastity. If we as Catholics do not value the virtue of chastity in our own lives then how can we complain about other people's behavior?

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 25, 2018, 07:52:44 AM

Quote from: poche on September 25, 2018, 12:51:36 AM

The real problem that we have is the lack of respect for the virtue of chastity. If we as Catholics do not value the virtue of chastity in our own lives then how can we complain about other people's behavior?

Sodom and Gomorrah was not fried by God because of "lack of respect for chastity".  

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on September 25, 2018, 10:53:12 PM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 25, 2018, 07:52:44 AM

Sodom and Gomorrah was not fried by God because of "lack of respect for chastity".  

The social acceptance of this sin is a prima facia demonstration of lack of respect for the virtue of chastity.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 26, 2018, 08:28:16 AM

Quote from: poche on September 25, 2018, 10:53:12 PM

The social acceptance of this sin is a prima facia demonstration of lack of respect for the virtue of chastity.

We are talking about the sin of sodomy, you are attempting to lessen the sin by making it just another sin. I  lived in mortal sin of the flesh for 40 years chasing bikini clad young girls on the beach, with no respect for chastity, and yet never once did I think sodomists were anything but mentally ill, grotesque people, animals, like dogs or apes.

If a man who is attracted to men, acts like a man, and does not go through with the sin, in other words, shows no signs of being a sodomite and does not defend sodomites, then he is not sinning publicly and for all appearances is not a sodomite. By what you write, I think that describes you.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on September 26, 2018, 10:47:22 PM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 26, 2018, 08:28:16 AM

We are talking about the sin of sodomy, you are attempting to lessen the sin by making it just another sin. I  lived in mortal sin of the flesh for 40 years chasing bikini clad young girls on the beach, with no respect for chastity, and yet never once did I think sodomists were anything but mentally ill, grotesque people, animals, like dogs or apes.

If a man who is attracted to men, acts like a man, and does not go through with the sin, in other words, shows no signs of being a sodomite and does not defend sodomites, then he is not sinning publicly and for all appearances is not a sodomite. By what you write, I think that describes you.

What good does it do you if you sin by sleeping around with other men's wives, commit fornication, read heterosɛҳuąƖ pornography, and masturbate and then you go to Hell, while someone else who has this problem and yet remains chaste goes to Heaven?
The real problem comes when we do not respect the virtue of chastity. It is chastity, modesty, and prudence, which with the help of the Holy Virgin that will get us to Heaven. 

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 27, 2018, 12:03:51 AM

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Let me offer you a gentle warning, poche: Do not try to mingle among Sodomites attempting to convince them of the benefits of practicing the virtue of chastity. You will find yourself hunted down and eventually to become the murder victim. They will not tolerate your message, nor will they attack it. They will leave the message alone and will instead attack the messenger: YOU. 
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You've had your warning. 
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Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on September 27, 2018, 01:53:25 AM

Quote from: Neil Obstat on September 27, 2018, 12:03:51 AM

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Let me offer you a gentle warning, poche: Do not try to mingle among Sodomites attempting to convince them of the benefits of practicing the virtue of chastity. You will find yourself hunted down and eventually to become the murder victim. They will not tolerate your message, nor will they attack it. They will leave the message alone and will instead attack the messenger: YOU.
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You've had your warning.
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If I die for professing what the Catholic Church teaches then I go to Heaven. Where they will go I don't know. If we don't find them in Hell they may still be in Purgatory. Which would give us another reason to pray for the poor souls in Purgatory.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on September 28, 2018, 09:28:42 AM

Quote from: poche on September 26, 2018, 10:47:22 PM

What good does it do you if you sin by sleeping around with other men's wives, commit fornication, read heterosɛҳuąƖ pornography, and masturbate and then you go to Hell, while someone else who has this problem and yet remains chaste goes to Heaven?
The real problem comes when we do not respect the virtue of chastity. It is chastity, modesty, and prudence, which with the help of the Holy Virgin that will get us to Heaven.

We are talking about the sin of sodomy, you are attempting to lessen the sin by making it just another natural sin.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on October 01, 2018, 12:32:23 AM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 28, 2018, 09:28:42 AM

We are talking about the sin of sodomy, you are attempting to lessen the sin by making it just another natural sin.

I am not trying to downplay the sin of sodomy but I think that you are being like the pharisees in trying to justify your sins by comparing yourself to others who you think are worse than you. Let us see what Jesus had to say;
¹ 'Do not judge, and you will (https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=12332) not be judged;
² because the judgements you give are the judgements you will (https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=12332) get, and the standard you use will (https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=12332) be the standard used for you.
³ Why do you observe the splinter in your brother's eye and never notice the great log in your own?
⁴ And how dare you say to your brother, "Let me take that splinter out of your eye," when, look, there is a great log in your own?
⁵ Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will (https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=12332) see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother's eye.

Matthew 7:1-5

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 01, 2018, 01:02:46 AM

Are the saints judging?

http://www.nuestrasenoradelasrosas.org/news1/SaintsOnɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.htm

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on October 01, 2018, 01:37:50 AM

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on October 01, 2018, 01:02:46 AM

Are the saints judging?

http://www.nuestrasenoradelasrosas.org/news1/SaintsOnɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.htm

I have no argument with the saints against the gravity of this sin. I don't think that throwing some one who probably needs to go to confession frequently out of the Church is the right answer. Also as far as judging is concerned a previous poster said this;
 
"We are talking about the sin of sodomy, you are attempting to lessen the sin by making it just another sin. I  lived in mortal sin of the flesh for 40 years chasing bikini clad young girls on the beach, with no respect for chastity, and yet never once did I think sodomists were anything but mentally ill, grotesque people, animals, like dogs or apes."

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/t49846/75/
This person not only sounds like he is sitting in judgement on the other people, but he also sounds like he is proud of his sinfulness rather than ashamed of it as he should be. How does he know that with this attitude toward his own sinfulness that a place is even now being prepared for him in Hell. We have to be sorry for our sins. If we are not sorry then what good does it do for us to speak evil of the other people if by our lack of contrition we wind up in Hell.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on October 01, 2018, 09:32:02 AM

Quote from: poche on October 01, 2018, 12:32:23 AM

I am not trying to downplay the sin of sodomy but I think that you are being like the pharisees in trying to justify your sins by comparing yourself to others who you think are worse than you. Let us see what Jesus had to say;
¹ 'Do not judge, and you will (https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=12332) not be judged;
² because the judgements you give are the judgements you will (https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=12332) get, and the standard you use will (https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=12332) be the standard used for you.
³ Why do you observe the splinter in your brother's eye and never notice the great log in your own?
⁴ And how dare you say to your brother, "Let me take that splinter out of your eye," when, look, there is a great log in your own?
⁵ Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will (https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=12332) see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother's eye.

Matthew 7:1-5

I didn't see this posting until now, so I answer it now:

You most definitely are equating the sin of sodomy with any other sin against chastity. It is as clear as day. I believe you do this because you are attracted to males and think it is a natural thing for some men. If you truly believed the thoughts you have are diabolical (which they are) you would  just keep them to yourself and your confessor, rather than defending others like yourself.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Geremia on October 01, 2018, 11:36:42 AM

If you know they have "SSA"s, no, these people should be kicked out of Church for the same reason immodestly dressed women should.

In both cases they're publicly flaunting their sinful inclinations.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: Prayerful on October 02, 2018, 01:18:48 PM

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on October 01, 2018, 01:02:46 AM

Are the saints judging?

http://www.nuestrasenoradelasrosas.org/news1/SaintsOnɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.htm

That page is pushing the highly doubtful Bayside apparition.
Yet surely confession, prayer and strong preaching can lead the less fixated homo away from his or her perversity against nature.
It is has shown to be utter madness to give them positions of responsibility, but abandoning these sinners seems incorrect, even if the sin is one that demons cannot even look at.

Title: Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
Post by: poche on October 03, 2018, 10:48:31 PM

Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 01, 2018, 09:32:02 AM

I didn't see this posting until now, so I answer it now:

You most definitely are equating the sin of sodomy with any other sin against chastity. It is as clear as day. I believe you do this because you are attracted to males and think it is a natural thing for some men. If you truly believed the thoughts you have are diabolical (which they are) you would  just keep them to yourself and your confessor, rather than defending others like yourself.

Actually I think that this sin is so evil that it should not even be mentioned.