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Offline Struthio

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Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2018, 02:50:08 PM »
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  • If you speak only of sodomites you're leaving lesbians off the hook.

    The church has used the term for different sins.


    In a 1969 lexicon of christian morals I find that there is sodomia perfecta equated to "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts", as well as sodomia imperfecta between man and woman in vase indebito.
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    Sodomy (/ˈsɒdəmi/) is generally anal or oral sex between people or sɛҳuąƖ activity between a person and a non-human animal (bestiality), but it may also mean any non-procreative sɛҳuąƖ activity.


    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)


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    Re: allow Reprobates In church?
    « Reply #61 on: September 05, 2018, 03:02:13 PM »
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  • Also as I've said before but got downvoted for some reason, sodomite isn't actually synonymous with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ at all. It doesn't include lesbians and it includes heterosɛҳuąƖs who engage in anal intercourse. While obviously sodomy is still a sin in and of itself even if it's between a man and a woman, referring to homos as sodomites is still inaccurate.
    The term Reprobate is best, otherwise why didn't St. Paul use the term sodomite in Romans 1?
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: allow Reprobates In church?
    « Reply #62 on: September 05, 2018, 03:12:45 PM »
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  • The term Reprobate is best, otherwise why didn't St. Paul use the term sodomite in Romans 1?


    St. Paul says that God delivered them up to a reprobate sense. True. But that does not mean that only they are delivered to up to a reprobate sense. Many others are reprobate and delivered up to a reprobate sense.

    The term reprobate is much too general. It means depraved (or even simply rejected).
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

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    Re: allow Reprobates In church?
    « Reply #63 on: September 05, 2018, 03:22:26 PM »
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  • St. Paul says that God delivered them up to a reprobate sense. True. But that does not mean that only they are delivered to up to a reprobate sense. Many others are reprobate and delivered up to a reprobate sense.

    The term reprobate is much too general. It means depraved (or even simply rejected).
    The term sodomite is too limited.

    Reprobate also means unworthy, and indeed, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are not worthy to receive Holy Orders.

    If the term reprobate is too general, then why do ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs fear Romans 1 and why have they filed several criminal hate charges against pastors who give sermons in their churches on Romans 1?
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #64 on: September 06, 2018, 02:21:06 AM »
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  • In my experience, the SSPX parishioners in my chapel are naïve and couldn't identify an effeminate man even if the man was a flamer.

    In Western Europe effeminacy is considered a sign of class and culture. The Western European priests couldn't spot a sodomite if his life depended on it.

    There are men who have eyes to see, and hopefully there is at least one in every chapel to alert the naïve.
    How would you know if someone is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?
    An effeminate man could be very heterosɛҳuąƖ while the very masculine guy in the back could be very gαy?


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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #65 on: September 06, 2018, 02:24:07 AM »
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  • And what is your husband doing about it? Where are the men?
    I think the husband could introduce these guys to the local unmarried female population and let nature take its course. 

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #66 on: September 06, 2018, 02:30:46 AM »
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  • What are sodomites doing in a Catholic Church? It is like if I showed up every Sunday with a harem of Playboy bunnies. Why would I go to mass? I think these sodomites are there because the priests welcome them and encourage them to come. The Novus Ordo world is all about welcoming you as you are.

    I would have confronted the priests from day one and have left that place after their first milquetoast response. Lot was not commanded to convert Gomorrah, but to leave it.  
    The Church is full of sinners of all sorts. The only ones in my church without sin are Jesus and the Blessed Virgin.

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    Re: allow ssa's In church?
    « Reply #67 on: September 06, 2018, 03:49:31 AM »
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  • The term sodomite is too limited.

    Reprobate also means unworthy, and indeed, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are not worthy to receive Holy Orders.

    If the term reprobate is too general, then why do ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs fear Romans 1 and why have they filed several criminal hate charges against pastors who give sermons in their churches on Romans 1?
    The term sodomite is appropriate, but the word ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ is probably more accurate. 
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    The word reprobate is not appropriate. 
    It appears 6 times in the DRBO, and only once referring to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts as in women changing the natural use into that use which is against nature, and men leaving the natural use of the women, and men working that which is filthy,

    whereas the other 5 references do not use reprobate in that same sense of unnatural sex, but to mean adulterous, resisting the truth, rejected (in 2) and cursed.
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    Re: allow SSA’s In church?
    « Reply #68 on: September 16, 2018, 01:33:07 PM »
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  • [...] on the topic of what to call sɛҳuąƖ degenerates? -- but "SSA" certainly isn't it.

    Among other issues, the initial S in "SSA" could just as easily stand for "single" (ahem).  But it's hardly rare for people inventing abbreviations to give zero thought for preventing ambiguity [×].


    The thread is the first and last time I've seen the term used.  Any other term works better --

    I recognizeed "SSA" from seeing it elsewhere on the Internet, most likely in Novus Ordo docuмents excepted in the generous postings from the Rite of Sodomy book(s) by (Ms.) Randy Engel(s) [#].  I don't recall the exact contexts, but they were probably among these:
    •  screening potential seminarians; or
    •  promoting "welcoming" environments ("who am I to judge") for the sɛҳuąƖly aberrant in N.O. parishes (requiring creation of at least 1 new job of oversight at the diocesan chancery level, to be predictably treated as an entitlement for the sɛҳuąƖly aberrant).

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    Note #: It seems to me that Rite of Sodomy by Randy Engel(s) has been expanded into a multivolume book series.

    Note ×: Among the most inexcusable among somewhat recent inventions: W to abbreviate "Wireless" (e.g., as in "WAP" for "Wireless Access-Point) &c., when W is plainly indispensable--having no obvious substitutes--to abbreviate the pioneering "wired" technology.  [Expletives deleted] "marketing" morons!  The direction of the technology was clear at the time, so it's unlike, thus not comparable to, the historic need to distinguish "corded" telephone, "cordless" telephone, vs. "cellular" telephone technology.

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #69 on: September 22, 2018, 01:59:52 AM »
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  • I call them (fαɢɢօts) "perverts against nature" on social media, and many of them and atheists gnash their teeth and scathe me when I refer to them by these words. "Perverts against nature" seems to really upset them because it objectively describes their disposition and behavior. They know that expression can't be accepted with pride.
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    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #70 on: September 22, 2018, 02:17:11 AM »
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  • Sodomites are nothing else if not pathologically narcissistic, self-obsessed, and self-pitying. They are narcissists par excellence, taking the giving, outward-looking, life-begetting gift of naturally ordered sɛҳuąƖity, and completely inverting it, sating their appetites in a copy of themselves, in utterly selfish sterility. Is it any wonder that, when God scourged them with the AIDS epidemic, they managed to turn that opportunity for conversion and penitence into a worldwide pity party celebrating their "bravery" and even shamelessly declaring their "pride" in their perversions? Furthermore, is it any wonder that, in the post-conciliar decades, as the Church hierarchy became increasingly comprised of a network of fαɢɢօts hiding in plain sight, that "pastoral initiatives" and "outreach programs" to sodomites became so prevalent, and so visible, and so "affirming," and so "emotionally validating." One the one side, fαɢs were told they were accepted "as they are," and on the other, "SSA's" were given a cookie and a pat on the head and bright shiny gold star for not committing a capital sin that cries to heaven for vengeance. Either way, the whole thing - the whole damned public discourse about fαɢs in Catholic circles - even Traditional ones - has gotten decidedly faggy, full of the treacly false compassion and self-obsessed shamelessness of the out-of-the-closet sodomite culture that has infected the Church at the very highest levels.

    To see a term like "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" as needed is to tacitly accept the sodomites' own premise that their inclination is their identity; an indelible "orientation" stamped upon their very soul. That's why the term was coined and, as evidenced by this thread, on a traditional Catholic forum, a century and a half after Kertbeny coined it, it has been a resounding success.

    A masterful analysis.

    Quite frankly, there shouldn't even be a dialogue about perverts against nature anymore. It leaves open the absurdity that this disgusting, revolting behavior could be "normal". Ninety-nine percent of fαɢɢօts won't listen, anyway. They're too selfish & addicted to the perversion. What's the point of saving 1% by getting them to realize their destructive lifestyle on themselves and civilization, when more people, especially the youth, are scandalized by the dialogue that can create openness or curiosity to this reprobate behavior? All perverts against nature should be eradicated by the state. No more talk. Just kill them all now. Save souls. Save innocence. Save future lives. Save civilization.
    From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die. ~ Ecclesiasticus 25:33

    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.


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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #71 on: September 22, 2018, 10:33:03 PM »
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  • A masterful analysis.

    Quite frankly, there shouldn't even be a dialogue about perverts against nature anymore. It leaves open the absurdity that this disgusting, revolting behavior could be "normal". Ninety-nine percent of fαɢɢօts won't listen, anyway. They're too selfish & addicted to the perversion. What's the point of saving 1% by getting them to realize their destructive lifestyle on themselves and civilization, when more people, especially the youth, are scandalized by the dialogue that can create openness or curiosity to this reprobate behavior? All perverts against nature should be eradicated by the state. No more talk. Just kill them all now. Save souls. Save innocence. Save future lives. Save civilization.
    How about a discussion about how we can promote the virtue of chastity. 

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #72 on: September 23, 2018, 01:19:10 AM »
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  • Quite frankly, there shouldn't even be a dialogue about perverts against nature anymore. It leaves open the absurdity that this disgusting, revolting behavior could be "normal". Ninety-nine percent of fαɢɢօts won't listen, anyway. They're too selfish & addicted to the perversion. What's the point of saving 1% by getting them to realize their destructive lifestyle on themselves and civilization, when more people, especially the youth, are scandalized by the dialogue that can create openness or curiosity to this reprobate behavior? All perverts against nature should be eradicated by the state. No more talk. Just kill them all now. Save souls. Save innocence. Save future lives. Save civilization.
    In answer to your question what's the point...
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    The point is to follow Christ in his offer of eternal life to those who are sinners (that's all of us). Yes, the sin is repulsive. Not every one is called to such work of rescuing those who wish to escape such a terrible existence. Besides, generally when people repent it is done in private. The scandal does not consist in aiding  those mired in sin. The scandal will continue while the forces of darkness control MSM, schools etc.
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    Luke 15 [1] Now the publicans and sinners drew near unto him to hear him. [2] And the Pharisees and the scribes murmured, saying: This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them. [3] And he spoke to them this parable, saying: [4] What man of you that hath an hundred sheep: and if he shall lose one of them, doth he not leave the ninety-nine in the desert, and go after that which was lost, until he find it? [5]And when he hath found it, lay it upon his shoulders, rejoicing:
    [6] And coming home, call together his friends and neighbours, saying to them: Rejoice with me, because I have found my sheep that was lost? [7] I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.
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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #73 on: September 23, 2018, 11:00:42 AM »
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  • How about a discussion about how we can promote the virtue of chastity.
    Are you a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?
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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #74 on: September 23, 2018, 10:37:43 PM »
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  • Are you a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?
    No, but I think that chastity is for everyone.