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Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2018, 03:17:08 PM »
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  • While it's true that you aren't safe anywhere, it certainly helps when the church you attend doesn't *fundamentally* attract f@gs and other degenerates.

    The Novus Ordo is especially bad, not because it has some fallen human beings (because human beings are found everywhere) but because the Liturgy and new religion ITSELF fundamentally attracts these perverts. The new religion is sentimental, emotional, feminine, vapid, Protestant (rooted in heresy), cut off from Traditional morality and practice, etc.

    You're right -- there's a difference between "we have a problem here" and "we could have a problem here on rare occasions, because human nature".

    That's why you should always ask yourself, "is there some fundamental reason why THIS PARTICULAR GROUP would be a problem?
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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #16 on: September 03, 2018, 03:50:08 PM »
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  • I actually think that a great number of male ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are drawn towards the Traditional Mass due to "queer eye" (to the OP's point).  Most of them recognize the aesthetic superiority of the Tridentine Mass and Liturgy.  Now it's often the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who are in some way trying to fight their inclinations.  Those who seek acceptance of their perverse lifestyle will not find refuge among Traditional Catholics but would gravitate towards the Novus Ordo.

    I like the term liturgical fetishism.  These were easy to spot at the seminary ... and most of them during my time ended up with the SSJ.  They were obsessed with their lace surplices that went down to their ankles (some of them could pass for racy women's lingerie), constantly primping and ironing their cassock, etc.  Some of us reacted the other way, distancing ourselves from these types, by refusing to wear anything but the plain solid white surplices.

    Barnhardt's list of signs to look out for are SPOT ON in my experience with these types.


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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #17 on: September 03, 2018, 04:05:21 PM »
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  • By the way, I realize Sean Johnson recently had a thread on the topic of what to call sɛҳuąƖ degenerates? -- 

    but "SSA" certainly isn't it.

    The thread is the first and last time I've seen the term used.

    Any other term works better -- even "gαy" which is bad because it suggests they are happy people, but at least everyone knows what I'm talking about! The same can't be said for "SSA".
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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #18 on: September 03, 2018, 04:09:48 PM »
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  • I was trying to find a neutral term. What would you suggest?

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #19 on: September 03, 2018, 04:20:03 PM »
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  • The disordered

    bent minds - C.S. Lewis used "bent" to refer to one who has knowingly and unrelentingly given himself over to evil of all kinds; one for whom there is no hope of repentance.

    disordered bent minds
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #20 on: September 03, 2018, 04:33:03 PM »
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  • SSA = same sex attraction

    Thank you!

    That's their vocabulary, the vocabulary of the "Sodomites of Sodom Association".

    Barnhardt abbreviates: "Sodomites".
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #21 on: September 03, 2018, 04:34:26 PM »
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  • I was trying to find a neutral term. What would you suggest?
    Sodomite is probably best.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ is probably acceptable.
    Why were you looking for a "neutral term"?  How can you be "neutral" in regards to a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance?

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #22 on: September 03, 2018, 04:53:16 PM »
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  • I was trying to find a neutral term. What would you suggest?
    fαɢs. The sin that cries out for vengeance does not deserve a neutral term, my friend.
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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #23 on: September 03, 2018, 05:08:07 PM »
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  • Despite I am confident the priests are straight there are a number of single men I think are ssa who attend. They make up about 20 % of the congregation.
    My bottom line question is should I try to drive these pervert out or - since they are 20% of the parish- should I leave and drive the extra hour to a independent chapel?
    OR — as I’m beginning to fear is there nowhere I can be free of sodomites in the pews and altar and clergy?
    What are sodomites doing in a Catholic Church? It is like if I showed up every Sunday with a harem of Playboy bunnies. Why would I go to mass? I think these sodomites are there because the priests welcome them and encourage them to come. The Novus Ordo world is all about welcoming you as you are. 

    I would have confronted the priests from day one and have left that place after their first milquetoast response. Lot was not commanded to convert Gomorrah, but to leave it.  
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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #24 on: September 03, 2018, 05:14:42 PM »
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  • Allowing Reprobates in Church?

    https://www.biblehub.com/drb/romans/1.htm


    Douay-Rheims - Romans 1

    22For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

    23And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things.

    24Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.

    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.

    27And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

    28And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, 30Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

    32Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #25 on: September 03, 2018, 05:15:12 PM »
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  • I actually think that a great number of male ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are drawn towards the Traditional Mass due to "queer eye" (to the OP's point).  
    I have not ever seen more than one or two at a time in any SSPX chapel I have ever gone to, and even those left within 1-2 months. I am talking about just effeminate men, for it takes a little longer to see if they are sodomites. Not a one effeminate man can escape my eye. 
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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #26 on: September 03, 2018, 05:23:10 PM »
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  • fαɢs. The sin that cries out for vengeance does not deserve a neutral term, my friend.
    The terms queers, fαɢs, and fαɢɢօts are now badges of honor among the reprobates.

    However, these reprobates still cringe at St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans, which they wish to outlaw.

    In fact, in the USA and in Canada, some ministers are being punished for reading Romans 1:27-32 in their churches.
    Thus, we should use the words of St. Paul to condemn them as REPROBATES.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #27 on: September 03, 2018, 06:39:29 PM »
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  • Let's do an exercise.

    Let's pretend you are one of these Trad ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, who has a fetish for the Trad liturgy.

    You have 4 options where you could go and plant yourself:

    The local Sedevacantist chapel
    The SSPX chapel
    A small independent or Resistance chapel
    The local Indult

    Which of them would you be most likely to go with, and why?

    I think that 99 times out of 100, the choice would be "Indult", and I'm not making this choice lightly. They have the most people, the most beautiful chapels/churches, and the most resources (best vestments, best lace, best equipment, most ornate altars, etc.)

    AND, let's face it, any Indult or "approved by Rome" group is ALL ABOUT THE MASS. Not about the Faith. If they were about doctrine or the Faith as well as the Mass, they wouldn't place themselves under the heretics in Rome, least of all the Pope!

    But for the most part, the Indult is all about "the Latin Mass" and how "it's better in Latin" and all that. When that is the be-all and end-all of your schtick, of course you're going to pull out all the stops and make your Mass as aesthetically awesome as possible.



    Your reasoning is sound, Matthew. 

    If anecdotal evidence counts for anything, the swishiest, most flamingly effeminate man I've ever had the displeasure to be personally introduced to was one who regularly served (sometimes as subdeacon!) at the indult Latin Mass at Holy Innocents in NYC.

    This was about a decade ago. I extended my hand to him as I would to any man to whom I'm being introduced, and was met with a limp-wristed, well-manicured mitt, held out daintily toward me, palm straight down, in the manner of a refined lady expecting her hand to be taken and kissed! I did what I could to turn that into a normal handshake, but it was like gripping a fistful of cooked linguine. I chatted for a minute or two with him and his fellow acolytes. Words can scarcely describe the profound disgust and discomfiture I felt watching his posture and mannerisms, which were like that of a flirtatious girl attempting to look demure - hands clasped together, talking over the shoulder, eyelashes batting... the sort of thing I was accustomed to seeing the coquettish co-eds of my university days doing; only now it was a silver-haired man in his fifties doing it.

    Later, I asked another of the acolytes "what the deal was" with (and at that point I pantomimed a limp wrist). He laughed knowingly and said, "Yeah, that's just Percy (not his real name). He's... kind of funny, yeah. But he's a great MC, and he sure knows his Latin! Anyway he keeps all that stuff to himself. We've never had a problem with him."

    The indifference in his explanation was depressing, but eye-opening. Apparently the standards were so low that, so long as Percy "kept it to himself" (which, I guess meant not bringing his boyfriend to church?), it was fine to have him flitting and mincing around the Sanctuary, doing as much damage to the sanctity and solemnity of the Mass - to say nothing of potential future vocations in the pews - as Subdeacon Liberace would have. 

    I have no idea whether or not Percy is still doing his thing at Holy Innocents, but if you've been there, and you've seen him, you'll no doubt know exactly who I'm talking about.

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #28 on: September 03, 2018, 06:54:45 PM »
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  • Let's do an exercise.

    Let's pretend you are one of these Trad ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, who has a fetish for the Trad liturgy.

    You have 4 options where you could go and plant yourself:

    The local Sedevacantist chapel
    The SSPX chapel
    A small independent or Resistance chapel
    The local Indult

    Here's the thing.  Quite a few of the ones who ended up among Traditional Catholics because they were given the boot from the Novus Ordo and blacklisted.  And the Novus Ordo actually does much better background checks on prospective seminarians than do Traditional groups (due to having more connections and resources).  Typically they go fleeing to the Trad circles claiming that they were persecuted for being doctrinally conservative.  Marshall Roberts was given the boot from ICK for love letters he had written to a fellow seminarian ... then claimed persecution for being too traditional.  Urrutigoity claimed persecution by "sedevacantists" at La Reja as an explanation for why the stories were "fabricated".

    Now, there MAY actually be a mix, where they are indeed Traditional doctrinally in addition to having ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ inclinations (which they may be trying to fight).  But, then, it would be like putting a straight man into a girls' college dorm (since seminarians are typically college age).

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    Re: allow Ssa’s In church?
    « Reply #29 on: September 03, 2018, 06:59:05 PM »
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  • As for a good term.

    SSA is probably too weak because many of them do not fight their inclinations.

    Sodomite is too strong because some of the do in fact fight their inclinations and do not act on them.

    I prefer the term homo or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ because that is neutral ... could be either of the above (SSA or Sodomite).

    But Barnhardt's aberrosɛҳuąƖ might be better because it does underscore that this is in fact a grave disorder (and not just an objective alignment) ... except that it doesn't limit itself to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs (since other types of inclinations might be considered equally aberrant).