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Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
« on: April 19, 2018, 01:50:40 PM »
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    In May of last year, I posted a review of the Preparatory Docuмent for the Synod of Bishops on “Young People, the Faith, and Vocational Discernment,” which is set to take place in October 2018.

    At that time, based on the bitter experiences of 2014-2015, we considered the likelihood that the “God of Surprises” and his merry band of modernists already have an outcome in mind and, come Hell or high water, they aim to achieve it.

    As for precisely what we can expect, it bore mention that even though the Preparatory Docuмent didn’t give us much in the way of substance to go on, the fear expressed by many is that the entire process is really just intended to pave the way for changes to the priesthood.

    Recently, these fears were validated as the Unholy See published a Docuмent of the Pre-Synodal Meeting with so-called “youth,” which was held in Rome on 19-24 March.

    Before we take a closer look at relevant excerpts, let’s consider the way in which the Docuмent is being presented.

    Ostensibly, the text conveys the “reflections” offered by “more than 300 young representatives from around the world convened in Rome” along with “the participation of 15,000 young people engaged online through the Facebook groups.”
    It is written largely in their voice; e.g., “we believe…” “we need…” “we desire…,” etc.

    After having read the entire wretched thing, I can tell you that “we” is nothing more than a pseudonym for Jorge Bergoglio & Co.; with many of the so-called “reflections” being near verbatim affirmations of the poisonous ideas they have been spouting for lo these past five miserable years.
    For example, the “youth” say:

    There is still no binding consensus on the question of welcoming migrants and refugees … despite the acknowledgement of the universal call to care for the dignity of every human person.

    Who are these people kidding? This statement came directly from the mouth of the Modernist, Socialist, Globalist (fill in the blank with your own favorite “ist,” provided it doesn’t hint of Catholicsm)-in-Chief:

    At stake is the dignity of human life … We often hear it said that, with respect to relativism and the flaws of our present world, the situation of migrants, for example, is a lesser issue. (cf Gaudete et Exsultate – 101, 102)

    The insightful “youth” also said:

    Sometimes, in the Church, it is hard to overcome the logic of “it has always been done this way”.

    Please… Bergoglio practically has a trademark on this slogan, repeated most recently:

    Complacency is seductive; it tells us that there is no point in trying to change things, that there is nothing we can do, because this is the way things have always been… (Gaudete et Exsultate – 137)

    Just one more example should suffice. According to the “youth”:

    We want a world of peace, one that harmonizes integral ecology with a sustainable global economy.
    Now, where did “they” get that idea?

    The global economic crises have made painfully obvious the detrimental effects of disregarding our common destiny … We can no longer speak of sustainable development apart from intergenerational solidarity … we can no longer view reality in a purely utilitarian way, in which efficiency and productivity are entirely geared to our individual benefit … An integral ecology is marked by this broader vision. (Laudato Si’ – 159) [Emphasis added]

    Once again, we are confronted with evidence that the Vatican does not just have a PR machine; it is a PR machine – one that shamelessly engages in the age-old, godless liberal tactic of exploiting “the youth” in order to win support for their diabolical initiatives.
    Now that we’re clear about precisely who is speaking in this Docuмent, let’s begin with a look at those portions of the text suggesting that an assault on Holy Orders is forthcoming:

    There is often great disagreement among young people, both within the Church and in the wider world, about some of her teachings which are especially controversial today. Examples of these include: contraception, abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, cohabitation, marriage, and how the priesthood is perceived in different realities in the Church there is still disagreement and ongoing discussion among young people on these polemical issues. [Emphasis added]

    Let’s stop here for a moment.

    While there are many self-identified Catholics who disagree with the immutable doctrines of the Church (not “polemical issues”) concerning the matters listed, there is no such disagreement among those “within the Church;” in particular with respect to the priesthood.
    Before we avail ourselves of more wisdom from the… ahem… “young people” (wink, wink), it bears mention that just one week following this Pre-Synodal meeting in Rome, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn – the “great theologian” according to Francis – stated:

    The question of ordination [of women] is a question which clearly can only be clarified by a council. That cannot be decided upon by a pope alone. That is a question too big that it could be decided from the desk of a pope. – Cardinal Christoph Schönborn

    In other words, the matter of female ordination is far from settled. So, what did the “young people” have to say about women in the life of the Church?
    Quite a lot, actually. In fact, women are singled out no less than sixteen times in the text, including the following:

    Today, there is a general problem in society in that women are still not given an equal place. This is also true in the Church…
    One key question arises from these reflections; what are the places where women can flourish within the Church and society? The Church can approach these problems with real discussion and open-mindedness to different ideas and experiences…
    Another common perception that many young people have is an unclear role of women in the Church…
    We recognize in particular the unique challenges faced by young women as they discern their vocation and place in the Church…
    Some young women feel that there is a lack of leading female role models within the Church and they too wish to give their intellectual and professional gifts to the Church…

    Note that the “great theologian” Schönborn was speaking specifically of the priesthood as opposed to the Sacrament of Holy Orders more generally.
    This, of course, leaves the door wide open for the “God of Surprises” to tinker with diaconal ordination however he may see fit.
    Get ready for it, folks.

    Apart from either Jorge Bergoglio’s departure or his conversion to the Catholic faith, I’d wager that the post-synodal exhortation setting that process in motion is probably all but written as we speak. We’ve seen this act before.
    We might even see a push for female “cardinals.”

    Incidentally, Cardinal Schönborn is both incorrect and correct.

    First, he is dead wrong to insist that a pope cannot rule definitively on the matter of female ordination. Even so, the question is settled; not because of John Paul II’s Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, but due to the infallibility of the Universal Ordinary Magisterium.

    Schönborn is correct, however, in suggesting that a future council could decide otherwise, provided that he is referring to a council modeled after the council to end all councils – Vatican II; the only one that Bergoglio & Co. are willing to embrace – the same that unceremoniously overturned other doctrines long since settled (e.g., religious liberty, the Church’s relationship with the Jєωs, the unique identity of the Catholic Church as the solitary means of salvation, etc.).

    Much more could be said about this Docuмent of the Pre-Synodal Meeting, but in the interest of space, I will stop here with a promise to return to this topic in a future post very soon.

    At present, the one thing that we can bank on is that this entire Synodal affair is nothing more than an exercise in propaganda intended to prepare the faithful for changes decided upon long ago; changes that will further destroy what is left of the visible structures of the Holy Catholic Church.


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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 02:43:07 AM »
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  • In a time of cultural confusion and challenge, youth need clarity and guidance from the Church – and failure to give it could be disastrous, says a young father who wrote to Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia.
    For Archbishop Chaput, who reproduced the letter April 18 at First Things, the man’s thoughts are worth considering as Catholics “seek a fuller understanding of the pastoral challenges facing young adults in a changing world.”
    The Catholic Church will hold a Synod on Youth this October, and Archbishop Chaput is among the Church leaders preparing for it. He received the letter just after a pre-synod meeting in Rome where about 300 young adults gathered to discuss how they view the Church and the faith.

    “We young people crave the truth and clarity of good teaching,” said the unnamed author, a self-described 26-year-old father of three. He suggested this craving is proved by the swift rise of Canadian professor and author Jordan Peterson, whose videos on YouTube have drawn a large following.

    “We crave the truth, no matter how blunt or difficult it is for us to swallow or for the shepherds of our flock to teach,” the young father said.
    “We urgently need the Church’s clarity and authoritative guidance on issues like abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, gender dysphoria, the indissolubility of matrimony, the four last things, and the consequences of contraception (moral, anthropological, and abortifacient). My generation has never, or rarely, heard these truths winsomely taught in the parishes.”
    The author claimed young Catholics hear most forcefully from the U.S. bishops’ conference and from dioceses about the federal budget, border policy, gun control, and the environment. Efforts to reach out effectively to those who don’t affiliate with a religion, colloquially known as the “nones,” may also be at risk.
    “Though the Church’s growing focus on evangelization of the ‘Nones’ is encouraging, there have been recent discussions emanating from several prominent figures in Rome and throughout Church leadership regarding a so-called ‘paradigm shift’ relative to doctrine, the supremacy of individual conscience, and pastoral accommodation,” the man continued.

    “My wife and I find these developments disturbing and potentially disastrous for the evangelization of the young and the fallen-away.”
    “Our culture is roiled in confusion concerning the basic tenets of human nature,” the author continued, citing controversies over gender, masculinity, the family, and “propaganda” that “desecrates the nature of sex and its fruits, especially the unborn child.”
    This letter prompted Archbishop Chaput to reflect: “The future of the Catholic faith belongs to those who create it with their fidelity, their self-sacrifice, their commitment to bringing new life into the world and raising their children in truth, and their determination to walk Christ’s ‘narrow way’ with joy.”
    The archbishop prayed that God would grant the fathers of the 2018 Synod on Youth “the grace and courage to lead young people on that path.”

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archbishop-chaput-thinks-you-should-read-this-young-catholics-letter-39554


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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #2 on: April 23, 2018, 10:00:11 AM »
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  • What do we care? This is not our Church, and not our Religion. Let them ordain cows as priests to say the Novus Ordo, it makes little difference.

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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #3 on: April 23, 2018, 10:47:33 PM »
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  • My question is, "Are tehy really listening?" or do they have their won agenda already set? What do they say when the young people say that they want the Latin Mass or they want authentic Catholicism?

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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #4 on: April 24, 2018, 10:59:01 AM »
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  • quotes: Isa 3:4: "And I will give children to be their princes, and the effeminate shall rule over them."
    and references Fr. Benson's Lord of the World.

    The UN even has a "declaration of the rights of the child" (i.e.: "parents have no rights over their children")
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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #5 on: April 24, 2018, 02:34:24 PM »
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  • What do we care? This is not our Church, and not our Religion. Let them ordain cows as priests to say the Novus Ordo, it makes little difference.
    We care, because the majority of baptized Catholics are being led astray into a false church, the Conciliar Church all the while thinking they have the Catholic Faith. Plus, the Church property and people belong to God's Catholic Church, not the Conciliar Church of Anti-Christ.

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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #6 on: July 11, 2020, 10:08:39 AM »
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  • May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #7 on: July 12, 2020, 12:19:58 AM »
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  • If they were really listening to the young people they might offer a greater availability for the TLM.


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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #8 on: July 12, 2020, 12:59:15 AM »
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  • If they were really listening to the young people they might offer a greater availability for the TLM.

    What's wrong with the Novus Ordo Missae, Poche? 

    "Saint" Paul VI said he "wished" for the NOM to "be received by the faithful as an instrument which bears witness to and which affirms the common unity of all."

    Don't you so receive it? Doesn't it so bear witness? 

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  • This is where we are at, a society of aged obnoxious children. I thought that the slob masquerading as a priest was going to have a heart attack. 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2020, 07:06:08 PM »
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  • This is where we are at, a society of aged obnoxious children. I thought that the slob masquerading as a priest was going to have a heart attack.

    LOL ... 1:32 to 1:42 where the two old ladies just walk out with disgusted looks on their faces.


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  • The question of ordination [of women] is a question which clearly can only be clarified by a council. That cannot be decided upon by a pope alone. That is a question too big that it could be decided from the desk of a pope. – Cardinal Christoph Schönborn

    This guy is a heretic, denying Vatican II that the fullness of teaching authority can be exercised by the Pope alone.  JP2 already came as close as one could to infallibly defining that women cannot be priests ... if you look at the language he uses, it's hard to argue that would not have been infallible (assuming of course he was a legit pope to begin with).

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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
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  • LOL ... 1:32 to 1:42 where the two old ladies just walk out with disgusted looks on their faces.
    I saw that too! 😂
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #13 on: July 12, 2020, 10:34:30 PM »
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  • What's wrong with the Novus Ordo Missae, Poche?

    "Saint" Paul VI said he "wished" for the NOM to "be received by the faithful as an instrument which bears witness to and which affirms the common unity of all."

    Don't you so receive it? Doesn't it so bear witness?

    Is that how you feel about the Novus Ordo?

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    Re: Listen to “young people”: Female ordination coming
    « Reply #14 on: July 12, 2020, 10:44:19 PM »
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  • This guy is a heretic, denying Vatican II that the fullness of teaching authority can be exercised by the Pope alone.  JP2 already came as close as one could to infallibly defining that women cannot be priests ... if you look at the language he uses, it's hard to argue that would not have been infallible (assuming of course he was a legit pope to begin with).
    Please not also that in the 1983 Code of Canon Law the operative word for a valid ordination is 'vir' which explicitly excludes women.