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Offline Geremia

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Novus Ordo Missæ doesn't mention the Trinity!
« on: June 12, 2017, 02:37:17 PM »
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    • Not only does the Novus Ordo Missæ downplay the sacrificial and propitiatory nature of the Mass (to please Protestants) and hell (to please "modern man"), but the Novus Ordo's ordinary doesn't even mention the Trinity once!

    This is clearly an attempt to make the Novus Ordo friendly to those who do not believe in the Catholic God (e.g., Jєωs, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.).

    The Catholic Mass, although not mentioning the Trinity in the Canon, does have the Súscipe, sancta Trinitas (right after the Lavabo and before the Orate fratres) and the Pláceat tibi, sancta Trínitas thanksgiving prayer.

    felix octava Sanctissimæ Trinitatis
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    Re: Novus Ordo Missæ doesn't mention the Trinity!
    « Reply #1 on: June 12, 2017, 06:52:17 PM »
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    • But the Novus Ordo Missae commences with

    In the name of the Father, and of Spíritus Sancti. the Son, and of the Holy Spirit

    Isn't that mentioning the Trinity?

    Also during the Gloria (when it is said) and the Creed mention the Trinity.

    Geremia, do you mean the word "Trinity"? 
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    Re: Novus Ordo Missæ doesn't mention the Trinity!
    « Reply #2 on: June 13, 2017, 07:58:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on June 12, 2017, 02:37:17 PM
    Not only does the Novus Ordo Missæ downplay the sacrificial and propitiatory nature of the Mass (to please Protestants) and hell (to please "modern man"), but the Novus Ordo's ordinary doesn't even mention the Trinity once!

    This is clearly an attempt to make the Novus Ordo friendly to those who do not believe in the Catholic God (e.g., Jєωs, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.).

    The Catholic Mass, although not mentioning the Trinity in the Canon, does have the Súscipe, sancta Trinitas (right after the Lavabo and before the Orate fratres) and the Pláceat tibi, sancta Trínitas thanksgiving prayer.

    felix octava Sanctissimæ Trinitatis
    Why should it? It is not Catholic.
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    Re: Novus Ordo Missæ doesn't mention the Trinity!
    « Reply #3 on: June 13, 2017, 12:35:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on June 12, 2017, 06:52:17 PM

    But the Novus Ordo Missae commences with

    In the name of the Father, and of Spíritus Sancti. the Son, and of the Holy Spirit

    Isn't that mentioning the Trinity?

    Also during the Gloria (when it is said) and the Creed mention the Trinity.

    Geremia, do you mean the word "Trinity"?
    Anytime we invoke the Catholic God, we are invoking the Trinity. But what I mean is that the word Trinitas does not appear. This is problematic because not mentioning the word Trinity means not affirming (but not necessarily denying) God's unity of essence, and lends itself to tritheism, e.g., in Bergoglio's blasphemy:
    Quote from: Jorge Bergoglio, in the homily in the Santa Marta chapel on October 9th, 2014
    So often [people ask]: ‘But do you believe?’: ‘Yes! Yes!’; ‘What do you believe in?’; ‘In God!’; ‘But what is God for you?’; ‘God, God’. But God does not exist: Do not be shocked! So God does not exist! There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they are persons, they are not some vague idea in the clouds ... This God spray does not exist! The three persons exist!
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    Re: Novus Ordo Missæ doesn't mention the Trinity!
    « Reply #4 on: July 07, 2017, 05:18:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on June 12, 2017, 02:37:17 PM
    Not only does the Novus Ordo Missæ downplay the sacrificial and propitiatory nature of the Mass (to please Protestants) and hell (to please "modern man"), but the Novus Ordo's ordinary doesn't even mention the Trinity once!

    This is clearly an attempt to make the Novus Ordo friendly to those who do not believe in the Catholic God (e.g., Jєωs, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.).

    The Catholic Mass, although not mentioning the Trinity in the Canon, does have the Súscipe, sancta Trinitas (right after the Lavabo and before the Orate fratres) and the Pláceat tibi, sancta Trínitas thanksgiving prayer.

    felix octava Sanctissimæ Trinitatis
    This is not true. It begins with the sign of teh cross with the priest leading the people saying, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." 
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    Re: Novus Ordo Missæ doesn't mention the Trinity!
    « Reply #5 on: July 07, 2017, 02:34:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on July 07, 2017, 05:18:08 AM
    This is not true. It begins with the sign of teh cross with the priest leading the people saying, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."
    That's compatible with Bergoglio's tritheism, though. Mentioning Trinitas is not.
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    Re: Novus Ordo Missæ doesn't mention the Trinity!
    « Reply #6 on: July 07, 2017, 11:09:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on July 07, 2017, 02:34:54 PM
    That's compatible with Bergoglio's tritheism, though. Mentioning Trinitas is not.
    The Holy Bible doesn't mention the trinity. That doesn't make it any less true. The sign of the cross is not tri-theism it is how we pray as Catholics. The islamic Koran for example begins in the name of God the benevolent, When we pray, we as Catholics invoke the HOly Trinity by saying, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." To say that the Holy Trinity is absent from the Novus Ordo is a bit dishonest.  
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    Re: Novus Ordo Missæ doesn't mention the Trinity!
    « Reply #7 on: July 08, 2017, 03:30:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on July 07, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
    The sign of the cross is not tri-theism it is how we pray as Catholics. The islamic Koran for example begins in the name of God the benevolent, When we pray, we as Catholics invoke the HOly Trinity by saying, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." To say that the Holy Trinity is absent from the Novus Ordo is a bit dishonest.  
    Where did I say the Sign of the Cross promotes Tritheism or that "the Holy Trinity is absent from the Novus Ordo"?
    The facts remain: Trinitas is never mentioned in the Novus Ordo ordinary. Why was it expunged, if not to please the non-baptized?
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    Re: Novus Ordo Missæ doesn't mention the Trinity!
    « Reply #8 on: July 10, 2017, 02:47:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on July 08, 2017, 03:30:27 PM
    Where did I say the Sign of the Cross promotes Tritheism or that "the Holy Trinity is absent from the Novus Ordo"?
    The facts remain: Trinitas is never mentioned in the Novus Ordo ordinary. Why was it expunged, if not to please the non-baptized?
    When you said, Quote from: poche on July 07, 2017, 05:18:08 AM
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    This is not true. It begins with the sign of teh cross with the priest leading the people saying, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." 


    That's compatible with Bergoglio's tritheism, though. Mentioning Trinitas is not.
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