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http://www.news.va/es/news/homilia-del-papa-la-cruz-no-es-solo-un-simbolo-o-u

In his homily of April 4, 2017, Francis said that our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ “made himself the devil” for us!
To clarify right from the outset: Yes, he really said it (it’s on the Vatican web site). No, it’s not a mistranslation. And no, it’s not a misunderstanding either.
And many here still regard him as the Vicar of Christ on earth...



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  • Is he a pope? De facto: Yes. De jure: No.
    "It's not enough to do good; it is necessary to fight evil." Saint Augustine


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  • http://novusordowatch.org/2017/04/francis-christ-made-himself-devil/


    Audio (In original Italian)
    http://www.news.va/es/news/homilia-del-papa-la-cruz-no-es-solo-un-simbolo-o-u

    In his homily of April 4, 2017, Francis said that our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ “made himself the devil” for us!
    To clarify right from the outset: Yes, he really said it (it’s on the Vatican web site). No, it’s not a mistranslation. And no, it’s not a misunderstanding either.
    And many here still regard him as the Vicar of Christ on earth...

    Are you sure this isn't just another NovusOrdoWatch exaggeration?
    http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/04/04/pope_the_cross_is_not_a_badge_of_belonging/1303358

    Overall I'd say it's still a lousy sermon. It's a typical Modernist "calculated to shock the audience" type sermon.

    Also sad to say, this kind of garbage is "par for the course" for Pope Francis.
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  • The amount of sense that doesn't make is astonishing. 
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  • This is from the same man who said, "There is no Catholic God".

    Should we be surprised?

    At any rate, unless you're still "unconvinced" that there's a Crisis in the Church, it is best to avoid sites like Traditio, Novus Ordo Watch, and other websites of immature, bitter zeal.

    It would be better to do something positive like strive for sanctity in yourself and others around you. Focus on the work of saving your soul, and winning back the world for Christ the King. Don't waste all your energy hating Pope Francis (or "Bergoglio" as the Sedes call him).

    It might make you feel good about yourself to keep both eyes glued on the decrepit, Modernist, Conciliar Vatican and the Pope who resides there. His awful deeds make you feel downright saintly by comparison, don't they?

    Don't fall for that. It's the oldest trick of the devil. Focus on YOUR OWN soul. It's nowhere near as fun to see how deficient you are, how wretched and miserable, how poorly you've used the millions of graces God has given you since birth. But -- trust me -- it's much better for your soul and your spiritual life. This is the unanimous teaching of all the (Traditional, Catholic) spiritual authors.
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  • For the record the following is the English translation taken directly off the Vatican website at http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/it/cotidie/2017/docuмents/papa-francesco-cotidie_20170404_nel-segno-della-croce.html

    POPE FRANCESCO
    MORNING MEDITATION IN THE CHAPEL
     DOMUS SANCTAE MARTHAE
    In the sign of the cross
    Tuesday, April 4, 2017
    (from: L'Osservatore Romano, and everyday., Year CLVII, 79, 05/04/2017)
    Farsi "crossed" "the Christian symbol casually and flaunt" like "the badge of a team" or "an ornament", perhaps with "precious stones, Jєωels and gold", has nothing to do with ' the mystery "of Christ. So much so that Pope Francis has suggested an examination of conscience on the Cross, to see how each of us carries in everyday life the only real 'instrument of salvation'. Here are the reflections which the Pontiff offered the Mass celebrated on Tuesday morning, April 4, in Santa Marta.

    "It attracts attention - noted immediately, referring to the step of the evangelist John (8: 21-30) - that in this short passage from the Gospel three times Jesus said to the lawyers, the scribes, Pharisees some: "You will die in your sins. '" He repeats "three times." And 'he says - he added - because they did not understand the mystery of Jesus, because they had closed their hearts and were not able to open a little', to try to understand the mystery that was the Lord. " In fact, the Pope explained, "die in your sin is a bad thing: it means that everything ends there, in the dirt of sin."
    But then "this dialogue - in which Jesus repeats three times" die in your sins "- continues and, in the end, Jesus looks back at the history of salvation and reminds them something:" When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then know that I am and that I do nothing on my own. ' " The Lord says precisely: "When you have lifted up the Son of Man."

    With these words - the Pope said, referring to the passage from the Book of Numbers (21: 4-9) - "Jesus reminds us what happened in the desert and we heard in the first reading." It is the moment when "bored people, the people who can not bear the way, turns away from the Lord, speaks evil of Moses and the Lord, and find those snakes that bite and cause the death." Then "the Lord told Moses to make a bronze serpent and raise it, and the person who suffers a snake wound, and that looks to bronze, will be healed."

    "The snake - continued the Pope - is the symbol of evil, is the symbol of the devil: it was the most cunning animal in paradise." Because "the snake is one that is able to seduce with lies", he is "the father of lies: this is the mystery." But then "we have to look the devil to save us? The snake is the father of sin, what he did sinning humanity. " In fact, "Jesus says," When I am lifted up, everyone will come to me. " Obviously this is the mystery of the cross. "

    "The bronze serpent healed - said Francesco - but the brazen serpent was a sign of two things: the sin made by the snake, the snake of seduction, of the serpent; and also was the signal of the cross of Christ, was a prophecy. " And 'why the Lord says to them: "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am.'" So we can say, the Pope said, that "Jesus has" made snake ", Jesus" became sin "and took upon himself the filth all of humanity, all the filth of sin. It was "made sin", was made to raise because all the people look at him, the wounded people from sin, us. This is the mystery of the cross and Paul says: "He made sin" and took the appearance of the father of sin, the crafty serpent. "
    "Who did not look at the bronze serpent after being wounded by a snake in the desert - the Pontiff explained - died in sin, the sin of murmuring against God and Moses." Similarly, "who not recognize the man lifted up, like the snake, the strength of God who became sin to heal us, he will die in your sin." Because "salvation comes only from the cross, but this cross is God made flesh: there is no salvation in ideas, there is no salvation in good will, the desire to be good." In fact, the Pope insisted, "the only salvation is in Christ crucified, because only he, like the bronze serpent meant, was able to take all the poison of sin and healed us there."

    "What is the cross for us?" Is the question posed by Francis. "Yes, it is the sign of Christians, is the Christian symbol, and we make the sign of the cross but do not always do well, sometimes we do so ... because we have this faith to the cross," said the Pope. the cross, then, he said, "for some people is a badge of belonging:" Yes, I carry the cross to show that I am a Christian. ' " It ''s fine, "but" not only as distinctive as if it were a team, a team badge'; But, said Francis, "as the memory of the man who became sin, who became the devil, snake, for us; It is lowered until totally annihilated. "
    Moreover, it is true, "others carry the cross as an ornament, lead crosses with precious stones, to be seen." But, warned the Pontiff, "God said to Moses:" Who watches the snake will be healed "; Jesus says to his enemies: "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know. '" In essence, he said, "who does not look at the cross, so, with faith, will die in their sins, will not receive the salvation."

    "Today - he raised the Pope - the Church proposes a dialogue with the mystery of the cross, with this God who became sin for the sake of me." And "each one of us can say:" for love of me. ' " So, he continued, you should ask: "How do I'll take the cross as a reminder? When I make the sign of the cross, I am aware of what I do? As I'll take the cross only as a symbol of belonging to a religious group? As I'll take the cross as an ornament, like a Jєωel with so many golden gems? ". Or "I've learned to take it on his shoulders, where it hurts?".

    "Each of us today - suggested the Pope concludes his meditation - you look at the crucifix, watch this God who became sin because we do not die in our sins, and to respond to these questions that I have suggested."


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    Offline TheHun

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  • Overall I'd say it's still a lousy sermon. It's a typical Modernist "calculated to shock the audience" type sermon.
    I am hearing these excuses from the day of his election. 

    (It isn't necessary to remind this forum that how many times Pope Francis committed blasphemy and heresy.)
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  • This is from the same man who said, "There is no Catholic God".

    It would be better to do something positive like strive for sanctity in yourself and others around you.

    It might make you feel good about yourself to keep both eyes glued on the decrepit, Modernist, Conciliar Vatican and the Pope who resides there.

    With all due respect to you, what do you think about this, Matthew?
    To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. (Revelation 3:14-16) 
    "It's not enough to do good; it is necessary to fight evil." Saint Augustine


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  • http://novusordowatch.org/2017/04/francis-christ-made-himself-devil/


    Audio (In original Italian)
    http://www.news.va/es/news/homilia-del-papa-la-cruz-no-es-solo-un-simbolo-o-u

    In his homily of April 4, 2017, Francis said that our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ “made himself the devil” for us!
    To clarify right from the outset: Yes, he really said it (it’s on the Vatican web site). No, it’s not a mistranslation. And no, it’s not a misunderstanding either.
    And many here still regard him as the Vicar of Christ on earth...
    well, if you assume he was speaking loosely, I guess I kinda get what he's saying...
    Jesus became sin, it says somewhere in the Bible... something to that effect
    but still, this sounds AWFUL
    and I would never say anything like that... does not sound like the same thing I just (sorta) quoted from the Word

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  • Are you sure this isn't just another NovusOrdoWatch exaggeration?
    http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/04/04/pope_the_cross_is_not_a_badge_of_belonging/1303358

    Overall I'd say it's still a lousy sermon. It's a typical Modernist "calculated to shock the audience" type sermon.

    Also sad to say, this kind of garbage is "par for the course" for Pope Francis.
    yeh, what's his schtick?
    shocking people is more important than leading them like a shepherd away from Hell?
    He cares more about what the world thinks of him (the PC world) apparently than what God thinks
    many people are like that. I would say MOST but he is the pope.. you just dont expect the pope--

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    Re: Bergoglio blasphemes again: Jesus Christ “made Himself the Devil”!
    « Reply #10 on: April 11, 2017, 01:13:37 AM »
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  • I speak Italian. Sorry but no blasphemy as far as I can tell.

    If anything, lack of prudence, going "too far" in the analogy with the Serpent lifted up.

    Ask yourself why God healed through a symbol of the Devil and why Christ "became sin" and "was made curse" for us.

    The Pope said:

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    Gesu' si e' fatto peccato, si e' fatto diavolo, serpente per noi.
    This literally means:
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    Jesus made himself sin, made himself devil, serpent for us.

    Realize that "diavolo" simply means "deceiver", not "devil" (il Diavolo, il Demonio). The Pope never said Jesus became the Devil. He said that by receiving the curse upon himself and by being raised up like the Serpent in the desert, he "became sin" and thus "devil", "enemy" - "My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

    It is to be mentioned that Italian journalist Antonio Socci started this big deal about this statement. Socci is sometimes a sensationalist. I would not say this was blasphemy anymore than St. Paul saying he "became sin" for us.


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    Re: Bergoglio blasphemes again: Jesus Christ “made Himself the Devil”!
    « Reply #11 on: April 11, 2017, 02:42:37 AM »
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  • I speak Italian. Sorry but no blasphemy as far as I can tell.


    I don't speak Italian but I have Italian-English Dictionary which states: diavolo = Devil.
    Good try anyway.

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    Re: Bergoglio blasphemes again: Jesus Christ “made Himself the Devil”!
    « Reply #12 on: April 11, 2017, 03:12:06 AM »
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  • I speak Italian. Sorry but no blasphemy as far as I can tell.

    If anything, lack of prudence, going "too far" in the analogy with the Serpent lifted up.

    Ask yourself why God healed through a symbol of the Devil and why Christ "became sin" and "was made curse" for us.

    The Pope said:
    This literally means:
    Realize that "diavolo" simply means "deceiver", not "devil" (il Diavolo, il Demonio). The Pope never said Jesus became the Devil. He said that by receiving the curse upon himself and by being raised up like the Serpent in the desert, he "became sin" and thus "devil", "enemy" - "My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

    It is to be mentioned that Italian journalist Antonio Socci started this big deal about this statement. Socci is sometimes a sensationalist. I would not say this was blasphemy anymore than St. Paul saying he "became sin" for us.
    There is another explanation than yours from The Denzinger-Bergoglio web site which provides Queries and Doubts raised by Francis. The quote below is from the #135 of the total of 157 (and counting). Also just want to mentioned that the web site is managed by diocesan priests, i.e. they are not sedevacantists.
    Conclusion: Accusing Christ of having sin is a sheer blasphemy by the teachings of the Magisterium.
    The Son of Man, who like a serpent, ‘became sin,’ is raised up to save us. […] the story of our redemption, this is the story of God’s love. If we want to know God’s love, let us look at the Cross, a man tortured, a God, emptied of his divinity, dirtied [stained] by sin. But at the same time, he concluded, a God who through his self-annihilation, defeats forever the true name of evil, that Revelation calls ‘the ancient serpent’.
    Sin is the work of Satan and Jesus defeats Satan by ‘becoming sin’ and from there he lifts up all of us. 
    Note: The original Spanish text of Francis’ words uses ‘manchado por el pecado”, which translates as “stained by sin” (see here). The English translator of the Vatican Radio text tried to preferred to use “dirtied by sin” for some reason.
    "It's not enough to do good; it is necessary to fight evil." Saint Augustine

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    Re: Bergoglio blasphemes again: Jesus Christ “made Himself the Devil”!
    « Reply #13 on: April 12, 2017, 02:19:19 PM »
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  • I speak Italian. Sorry but no blasphemy as far as I can tell.

    If anything, lack of prudence, going "too far" in the analogy with the Serpent lifted up.

    Ask yourself why God healed through a symbol of the Devil and why Christ "became sin" and "was made curse" for us.

    The Pope said:
    This literally means:
    Realize that "diavolo" simply means "deceiver", not "devil" (il Diavolo, il Demonio). The Pope never said Jesus became the Devil. He said that by receiving the curse upon himself and by being raised up like the Serpent in the desert, he "became sin" and thus "devil", "enemy" - "My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

    It is to be mentioned that Italian journalist Antonio Socci started this big deal about this statement. Socci is sometimes a sensationalist. I would not say this was blasphemy anymore than St. Paul saying he "became sin" for us.
     
    This recent statement from Francis is just the tip of the iceberg. Look at the quotes at FrancisQuotes.com and it's plainly obvious excuses can no longer be made for him.
     

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    Re: Bergoglio blasphemes again: Jesus Christ “made Himself the Devil”!
    « Reply #14 on: April 12, 2017, 03:25:57 PM »
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  • This recent statement from Francis is just the tip of the iceberg. Look at the quotes at FrancisQuotes.com and it's plainly obvious excuses can no longer be made for him.
     
    Yes, you are right. I checked that web site. It is awful! I do not understand why are we not doing something against him? I mean: we the faithful, religious, deacons, priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals? He is destroying the Catholic Faith!
    "It's not enough to do good; it is necessary to fight evil." Saint Augustine