Author Topic: Syon Abbey Copper Hill VA (Read 6524 times)

Coastal GA Trad · « **on:** April 14, 2014, 12:11:49 PM »

Can anyone say anything in regards to this church? Is it sedevacantist? Do they have any public masses on Sunday. I have looked almost everywhere for information on them, and have found nothing. Any information on them would be much appreciated. :dancing:
http://syonabbey.org/

Ambrose · « **Reply #1 on:** April 14, 2014, 12:56:54 PM »

Quote from: Coastal GA Trad

Can anyone say anything in regards to this church? Is it sedevacantist? Do they have any public masses on Sunday. I have looked almost everywhere for information on them, and have found nothing. Any information on them would be much appreciated. :dancing:
http://syonabbey.org/

There was a thread dedicated to this topic on FishEaters in 2012. Many posters who have looked into their background gave information about them.

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3454032.0.html

SJB · « **Reply #2 on:** April 16, 2014, 06:59:56 PM »

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Quote from: Coastal GA Trad
Can anyone say anything in regards to this church? Is it sedevacantist? Do they have any public masses on Sunday. I have looked almost everywhere for information on them, and have found nothing. Any information on them would be much appreciated. :dancing:
http://syonabbey.org/

There was a thread dedicated to this topic on FishEaters in 2012. Many posters who have looked into their background gave information about them.

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3454032.0.html

It's a bit odd that the place was designed by the old firm of Ralph Cram Adams, has ample space for quite a few monks, yet there were only three men there back in 2007 when it was nearing completion. I wonder how many are there today, almost 7 years later. I believe they are sedevacantist, just not ones to put it out there in the public square.

Ambrose · « **Reply #3 on:** April 16, 2014, 08:04:11 PM »

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Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Coastal GA Trad
Can anyone say anything in regards to this church? Is it sedevacantist? Do they have any public masses on Sunday. I have looked almost everywhere for information on them, and have found nothing. Any information on them would be much appreciated. :dancing:
http://syonabbey.org/

There was a thread dedicated to this topic on FishEaters in 2012. Many posters who have looked into their background gave information about them.

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3454032.0.html

It's a bit odd that the place was designed by the old firm of Ralph Cram Adams, has ample space for quite a few monks, yet there were only three men there back in 2007 when it was nearing completion. I wonder how many are there today, almost 7 years later. I believe they are sedevacantist, just not ones to put it out there in the public square.

The things I read about them on the thread that I posted above set off warning alarms to stay away.

I would keep an open mind if they chose to refuse these allegations, but as it stands now I would have nothing to do with them if I were in their area.

Mabel · « **Reply #4 on:** April 23, 2014, 02:01:44 PM »

Having dealt with numerous shady situations, this one is raising red flags. If a group is not open about it's past and wants to have private meetings, chances are that it has more to hide.

SJB · « **Reply #5 on:** April 23, 2014, 07:17:05 PM »

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Having dealt with numerous shady situations, this one is raising red flags. If a group is not open about it's past and wants to have private meetings, chances are that it has more to hide.

I think what they are 'hiding" is in the public record. That's probably why they ask for private meetings to explain what normally would stop anybody from supporting them. I'm not judging them, but it's not something one should overlook without some serious scrutiny.

7sorrowsbvm · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2014, 07:01:41 PM »

Quote from: Coastal GA Trad

Thank-you for the information linr05. I still have a few more questions. Are they Sedevacantist? What Bishop are they affiliated with?

Thank-you for your time.

I would recommend avoiding them. There are some threads out there with more information.

They have told people they are not sedevacantist but they have strong sedevacantist associations. They have "used" bishop McKenna and bishop Musey for ordinations. They act outside of all canonical authority. They are not true Benedictines. They claim to be "canonically established," but this proved to be false. Nearly all of the men have left the community. If the Abbot wants you as a supporter, he will tell you what you want to hear.

I am sorry to have to write all this.

SJB · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2014, 01:37:00 AM »

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Quote from: Coastal GA Trad
Thank-you for the information linr05. I still have a few more questions. Are they Sedevacantist? What Bishop are they affiliated with?

Thank-you for your time.

I would recommend avoiding them. There are some threads out there with more information.

They have told people they are not sedevacantist but they have strong sedevacantist associations. They have "used" bishop McKenna and bishop Musey for ordinations. They act outside of all canonical authority. They are not true Benedictines. They claim to be "canonically established," but this proved to be false. Nearly all of the men have left the community. If the Abbot wants you as a supporter, he will tell you what you want to hear.

I am sorry to have to write all this.

The real concern has nothing to do with any conflict with your ideas about "canonical authority."

obediens · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2014, 03:44:41 AM »

This is the community where Rev. Emile Miller (who as a Franciscan in Rochester from the early to mid 80's was known as Fr. Francis until Bishop Vezelis expelled him after a unanimous community vote) joined as "Fr. Aidan" and made final profession.

When Fr. Miller returned to Lafayette, LA for his father's funeral, he never made it back to Syon. He then resumed wearing the OFM habit and calling himself Fr. Francis.

When Bishop Vezelis spoke on the phone with Fr. John Baptist (Fr. Miller's own nephew, a religious at Syon) in 2007, who was ordained by McKenna, Fr. John Baptist told him that after Fr. Miller left, they never heard from him again, and they did not wish to hear from him.

Bishop Vezelis stated all of this in a sermon which can still be found on Youtube.

7sorrowsbvm · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2014, 08:22:48 AM »

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The real concern has nothing to do with any conflict with your ideas about "canonical authority."

If this priest did not have the "real concern" that you refer to, I would still not associate with him because of his pattern of deception, manipulation and lack of regard for true authority. I think all of these concerns are interconnected.

Quote from: obediens

This is the community where Rev. Emile Miller (who as a Franciscan in Rochester from the early to mid 80's was known as Fr. Francis until Bishop Vezelis expelled him after a unanimous community vote) joined as "Fr. Aidan" and made final profession.

When Fr. Miller returned to Lafayette, LA for his father's funeral, he never made it back to Syon. He then resumed wearing the OFM habit and calling himself Fr. Francis.

When Bishop Vezelis spoke on the phone with Fr. John Baptist (Fr. Miller's own nephew, a religious at Syon) in 2007, who was ordained by McKenna, Fr. John Baptist told him that after Fr. Miller left, they never heard from him again, and they did not wish to hear from him.

Bishop Vezelis stated all of this in a sermon which can still be found on Youtube.

Fr. Miller had good reasons to leave Syon Abbey.