Author Topic: Synod On Marriage and Family in October (Read 1039 times)

2Vermont · « **on:** June 27, 2014, 07:19:25 AM »

The Vatican has released a docuмent regarding this:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/docuмents/rc_synod_doc_20140626_instrumentum-laboris-familia_en.html

Is a synod like this considered part of the Ordinary Magisterium and therefore infallible?

JPaul · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2014, 08:11:10 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

The Vatican has released a docuмent regarding this:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/docuмents/rc_synod_doc_20140626_instrumentum-laboris-familia_en.html

Is a synod like this considered part of the Ordinary Magisterium and therefore infallible?

It doesn't matter, they will simply act and teach whatever rubbish they come up with. Remember Vatican II, but then, who am I.................

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2014, 04:12:26 PM »

Something that openly defies Catholic dogma (like everything this synod is about) cannot be infallible.

2Vermont · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2014, 05:45:27 PM »

Quote from: JezusDeKoning

Something that openly defies Catholic dogma (like everything this synod is about) cannot be infallible.

But that's not what I'm asking. Are synods considered part of the Ordinary Magisterium? If so, then we should expect to get infallible teaching/teaching that does not defy Catholic dogma. If we don't, then that's a whole different story (like Vatican II).

Put another way, under normal circuмstances (say before Vatican II) would a Synod like this be considered OM?

ggreg · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2014, 03:08:37 AM »

I don't like the phrase "new springtime" in the Preface.

Makes me nervous.

Petertherock · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2014, 07:21:22 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: JezusDeKoning
Something that openly defies Catholic dogma (like everything this synod is about) cannot be infallible.

But that's not what I'm asking. Are synods considered part of the Ordinary Magisterium? If so, then we should expect to get infallible teaching/teaching that does not defy Catholic dogma. If we don't, then that's a whole different story (like Vatican II).

Put another way, under normal circuмstances (say before Vatican II) would a Synod like this be considered OM?

This is what I could find on the internet...

The nonuniversal ordinary magisterium may also be exercised by groups of bishops, such as a national conference of bishops or an international gathering of bishops, such as a synod. Again, teachings from such groups of bishops would apply only to those Catholics under their authority. Lastly, the pope, who also holds the title Bishop of Rome, may in his secondary capacity provide a teaching that is not applicable to the universal church but only his diocese.

http://www.netplaces.com/catholicism-guide/the-magisterium/ordinary-magisterium.htm

"The infallibility of the Church does not mean that the Church, in the assembly of the Fathers or in the expression of the Conscience of the Church, has already formally expressed all the truths of faith and norms. The infallibility of the Church is confined to the formulation of truths in question. This infallibility is not wholly a God-inspired energy which would affect the participants of the synod to such an extent that they would be inspired to pronounce all the truths at one time as a whole system of a Christian catechism. The Synod does not formulate a system of beliefs encompassing all Christian teachings and truths, but only endeavors to define the particular disputed truth which was misunderstood and misinterpreted. The Church of Christ and its divine nature, as set forth above, is the foundation upon which the Eastern Orthodox Church [sic.] continues to administer and nourish its faithful, thereby protecting its fundamental essentials." Rev. George Mastrantonis, of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infallibility_of_the_Church

2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2014, 07:45:55 AM »

Quote from: Petertherock

Quote from: 2Vermont
Quote from: JezusDeKoning
Something that openly defies Catholic dogma (like everything this synod is about) cannot be infallible.

But that's not what I'm asking. Are synods considered part of the Ordinary Magisterium? If so, then we should expect to get infallible teaching/teaching that does not defy Catholic dogma. If we don't, then that's a whole different story (like Vatican II).

Put another way, under normal circuмstances (say before Vatican II) would a Synod like this be considered OM?

This is what I could find on the internet...

The nonuniversal ordinary magisterium may also be exercised by groups of bishops, such as a national conference of bishops or an international gathering of bishops, such as a synod. Again, teachings from such groups of bishops would apply only to those Catholics under their authority. Lastly, the pope, who also holds the title Bishop of Rome, may in his secondary capacity provide a teaching that is not applicable to the universal church but only his diocese.

http://www.netplaces.com/catholicism-guide/the-magisterium/ordinary-magisterium.htm

"The infallibility of the Church does not mean that the Church, in the assembly of the Fathers or in the expression of the Conscience of the Church, has already formally expressed all the truths of faith and norms. The infallibility of the Church is confined to the formulation of truths in question. This infallibility is not wholly a God-inspired energy which would affect the participants of the synod to such an extent that they would be inspired to pronounce all the truths at one time as a whole system of a Christian catechism. The Synod does not formulate a system of beliefs encompassing all Christian teachings and truths, but only endeavors to define the particular disputed truth which was misunderstood and misinterpreted. The Church of Christ and its divine nature, as set forth above, is the foundation upon which the Eastern Orthodox Church [sic.] continues to administer and nourish its faithful, thereby protecting its fundamental essentials." Rev. George Mastrantonis, of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infallibility_of_the_Church

I wonder what happens when the Pope agrees with the outcome of such a Synod. In the case of the marriage Synod, I wonder if it could be considered part of the Universal Ordinary Magisterium depending upon how Francis deals with the results.

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2014, 08:37:37 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

I wonder what happens when the Pope agrees with the outcome of such a Synod. In the case of the marriage Synod, I wonder if it could be considered part of the Universal Ordinary Magisterium depending upon how Francis deals with the results.

From Catholic Encyclopedia: "A general term for ecclesiastical gatherings under hierarchical authority, for the discussion and decision of matters relating to faith, morals, or discipline."

The decrees of a synod pertaining to faith and morals that have been approved by a pope would be considered a part of the ordinary magisterium and be protected from error. If not approved by a pope, the decrees would not be necessarily protected from error.

I think this is why the October synod is going to be very interesting. The question is how will the synod permit divorce and remarriage (and possibly other types of unions) in a way that will allow sedeplenists to say that no doctrine has changed even though it will be clear that they have changed doctrine.