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Offline Stephen Francis

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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2012, 10:03:24 AM »
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  • You know what always stinks about these people and their lifestyles? The secrecy. I don't think anyone would be shocked if the rectory at a church in a very well-to-do parish was MUCH nicer than the rectory in a poorer area. The difference is that these "priests" are ABUSING their positions and reveling in their status. Then they get found out, and what do they do? They LEAVE the so-called "priesthood".

    If there was truly nothing wrong, why should they hang their heads?

    The molesters and other sinners against chastity, on the other hand, should be glad they lost their ministries and not their heads. One of these days, a parent or even a victim is going to get through the security around these perverts and something tragic will follow.

    Reading about the corruption that Newchurch's doctrines and practices have wrought just makes my heart ache for the chance to see the Church gloriously reflecting Christ's holiness again.

    St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

    Offline Belloc

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    « Reply #16 on: September 20, 2012, 10:36:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
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    I liked much of what he did/said as well, brought me back to going to Mass......but the investigations, by Church and secular, revealed a guy living way too well for a priest.......whatever moral accusations aside.....several cars, boats and I always had issues with "why does this order priest live alone, in the wilderness, when others live and are assigned duties"


    I don't know much about Father Corapi who I'm sure is really "Father" Corapi, but this is a Protestantized notion. Throughout the history of the Church many of the clergy and Popes have been from wealthy families and had money. Is this the greatest thing for the faith? In most cases, probably not, but you can be a priest and have money.

    It is the Prots who then come and use the flaws of the priests, as well as their wealth, against them. It comes from an erroneous set of ideals, the same one that makes them complain about the wealth of Rome. The key is to be poor in spirit. So Father Corapi may be worldly in his behavior, I don't know, but the clergy can have money.



    Money is not the point, he did win a court case for medical malpractice.

    He is an order preiest, yet has refused to elave his home and live like other priests.

    For a priest, is it necessary he have several cars, boats, fancy digs? This a good example?
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    « Reply #17 on: September 20, 2012, 10:44:32 AM »
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    In 2007, Father Francis Mary Stone, the immensely popular host of EWTN's crass and often morally offensive, rock-and-roll-themed youth show, "Life on the Rock" (discussed extensively in Chapter 15 of my book), left the network in disgrace and then the priesthood after announcing his love affair with a widow. When last seen on the Internet, he was peddling a nutrition drink called Zrii under the name Dave Stone, shamelessly using the slogan "living life on the rock."



    I liked Father Stone, but I guess that was just because of my upbringing. It wasn't until my adulthood that I met a priest under the age of 60 who wasn't super shy and sort of effeminate.  Like many modern Catholics, the impression of the priesthood is either very old, or very gay.  That is just the sad truth.   I'm sure it hurt a lot of potential vocations when the announcement was made he had grown close to a woman and was leaving LOTR.

    I believe that he did go on to have a child with the widow, but I am not sure if he was ever laicized or if he left the church completely or what.  Since the 1970's something like 150,000 priests have left to get married, so it does happen.
    ~For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen, is not hope. For what a man seeth, why doth he hope for? But if we hope for that which we see not, we wait for it with patience. ~ Romans 8:24-25

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    « Reply #18 on: September 20, 2012, 11:45:05 AM »
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    One more thing:  consider the source.

    Ferrara is 'interesting' in  terms  of  which heretics  he defends (he   defends mightily Mother Angelica who promoted religious indifferentism for one) and which ones he decries.

    He is quick to point a finger at guys that travelled around doing lectures and selling books (people I will call "Professional Catholics") and seems to be quite unaware of the irony of him  making such denunciations.


    My grandmother was a victim of her propaganda in this regard. : :cry:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #19 on: September 20, 2012, 01:46:22 PM »
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    Quote from: Iuvenalis
    One more thing:  consider the source.

    Ferrara is 'interesting' in  terms  of  which heretics  he defends (he   defends mightily Mother Angelica who promoted religious indifferentism for one) and which ones he decries.

    He is quick to point a finger at guys that travelled around doing lectures and selling books (people I will call "Professional Catholics") and seems to be quite unaware of the irony of him  making such denunciations.


    My grandmother was a victim of her propaganda in this regard. : :cry:


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    « Reply #20 on: September 20, 2012, 10:13:38 PM »
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  • Belloc, I mean that my mother in law became an indifferentist because of EWTN and Mother Angelica and her "one religion is as good as another" talk. She had EWTN on at her house practically 24/7. She even had that "Father Roberts" over at the house. I was there. It was just ...  :barf:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #21 on: September 20, 2012, 11:36:19 PM »
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  • EWTN is just about unwatchable now.  It's terrible TV.  Forget the fact that the channel presents Vatican II in the light of the New Pentecost and how everything should be seen in this light.  Not to mention that those televised novus ordo services are not only banal but hard on the eyes and ears.

    Turn off the TV and pick up St. Francis de Sales or St. Alphonse de Liguori or St. Louis de Montford or something devotional, instructional, informational and faithful to the Catholic traditions.  Reread the Baltimore Catechism.  Increase the time you devote to your prayer life and improve your interior life.  

    There was a time when I enjoyed EWTN but I'm more knowledgeable than that now.
       

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    « Reply #22 on: September 30, 2012, 10:41:13 AM »
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  • Haven't watched it for years, but Life on the Rock was the worst. Nothing more pathetic than "Catholics" who try to be hip.


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    « Reply #23 on: September 30, 2012, 07:49:19 PM »
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  • Yeah I've seen a lot of junk on EWTN. I saw Fr. Groeschel blow his nose on a tissue then he put it down on the altar and went on with the Mass. I was shocked. Isn't that supposed to be holy? (and not a place for snot rags)
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    « Reply #24 on: October 01, 2012, 04:50:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
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    One more thing:  consider the source.

    Ferrara is 'interesting' in  terms  of  which heretics  he defends (he   defends mightily Mother Angelica who promoted religious indifferentism for one) and which ones he decries.

    He is quick to point a finger at guys that travelled around doing lectures and selling books (people I will call "Professional Catholics") and seems to be quite unaware of the irony of him  making such denunciations.


    My grandmother was a victim of her propaganda in this regard. : :cry:


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    Belloc, I mean that my mother in law became an indifferentist because of EWTN and Mother Angelica and her "one religion is as good as another" talk. She had EWTN on at her house practically 24/7. She even had that "Father Roberts" over at the house. I was there. It was just ...  :barf:


    As my mother was getting very old, she complained there was nothing worth
    watching on TV anymore. This was around 1995. I had some friends who were
    rather enthusiastic about EWTN who suggested getting satellite TV so my mom
    could have EWTN. So I installed a "dish" on her roof and she was able to watch
    the shows, but she never really got "into it" much. She was always half-disappointed.
    I only saw a show from time to time, and I relied mostly on her reports. I must
    say, my mother was able to identify the trend long before others I knew were
    aware of it. When I would relate to them that EWTN was going "downhill," they
    would disagree and say I was dreaming.

    Eventually, around 1999 or 2000, she abandoned the dish network entirely,
    because she would no longer watch EWTN and there was nothing else worth
    watching. I eventually removed the "dish" because it was an eyesore.

    So I was fortunate to have a mother who was not "sucked in" by indifferentism.
    Her education was better than that. It gave me the "heads up" that something was
    amiss.

    The chapel they had set up gave the appearance from a TV angle that it was a
    Traditional Latin Mass, but if you listen carefully and pay close attention you would
    see that it was actually a Novus Ordoized liturgy with the TV audience sitting
    BEHIND the sanctuary. There was a kind of rood screen on the "back" side of the
    altar, and beyond that was an area for the cloistered nuns to attend Mass. If you
    imagined the screen missing and the TV audience area walled off, all that would
    be left is an altar facing the "people" - that is, the nuns - with a tabernacle in the
    way -- that's how it first looked when they first turned the altar around in 1969:
    the priest had to peek around the tabernacle at the congregation. And the next
    move was to put the tabernacle off to the side, and eventually in a broom closet
    or in another room, in exile.

    I know a priest who imitated this setup, and used a hybrid liturgy, half Novus
    Ordo, half TLM, and when he gave his sermon, he stood off to the left side,
    facing the altar, so that the congregation on his right and the "cloister" on his
    left, could both see him from the side, so to speak.

    At the time when in the TLM the priest turns around and says "Dominus
    vobiscum," he would have been turning away from the cloister, which would make
    no sense. As I recall, there was some other rubric they used there so as to give
    the impression the cloister was included in the "vobiscum." He may have said it
    twice, facing both ways, but I don't recall exactly. But it was different than a
    normal TLM, also in other ways.

    There are pictures you can see of the "early days" of the Novus Ordo, where
    the young woman who would become Mother Angelica was involved with the
    music for mass. She played the drums. You can see her there, sitting on a stool
    behind a rock 'n roll drum set, big grin on her face, waving drumsticks. Those
    were the days, eh? So you can see "where she came from." In her later years
    she was a lot less "progressive," but she still "had it in her." It seems to me she
    typifies the new age with one foot in Tradition and the other stepping off the cliff
    of Modernist innovations.
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    « Reply #25 on: October 02, 2012, 06:36:29 PM »
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    Belloc, I mean that my mother in law became an indifferentist because of EWTN and Mother Angelica and her "one religion is as good as another" talk. She had EWTN on at her house practically 24/7. She even had that "Father Roberts" over at the house. I was there. It was just ...  :barf:


    Correction: My grandmother, not my mother in law.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #26 on: October 02, 2012, 08:22:03 PM »
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  • Mother Angelica may not have been perfect, but let's give credit where credit is due. She was forced out of EWTN after she called Cardinal Mahoney a heretic and said the so-called "Third Secret" released by the Vatican in 2000 was a phony. She also didn't like the Bogus Ordo.

    A lot of Trads like her. Heck, even sedes like her. So I say let's give credit where credit is due.

     

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