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Offline Ladislaus

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Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
« on: August 20, 2022, 08:36:32 PM »
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    • Just ran into this one, but haven't listened to it yet.  I was watching some other talk by Dr. Sungenis about geocentrism, and I noticed the link to this one (of course the title caught my eye).  This was from just a few weeks ago on August 3, 2022.  It's probably worth a listen.

    https://ms-my.facebook.com/therealrobertsungenis/videos/john-salza-joins-robert-sungenis-to-discuss-the-errors-of-archbishop-marcel-lefe/1263708384377503/
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #1 on: August 20, 2022, 08:37:23 PM »
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    • As an aside, I guess it's OK for Bob to call out the errors of Marcel Lefebvre, but I'm not allowed to call out the errors of Bob Sungenis.
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #2 on: August 20, 2022, 08:44:40 PM »
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    • This should be a real hoot.  I fully expect Dr. Sungenis to apply the same solid logic and intellectual honesty that he has shown thus far in his treatment of FE.

    I wonder what +Fellay and SSPX think now of having endorsed and promoted Salza's book (practically sponsored it).  Didn't +Fellay write the forward to the book?

    SVs pointed out the errors in Salza's reasoning right out of the gate, his excessively legalistic view of the Church, and they were absolutely correct.  Salza, in taking his errors to their logical conclusion, has concluded that while Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι are Catholics in good standing, SVs and now even the SSPX and other "schismatic" Trads are outside the Church and in error.  See, this isn't because Salza veered off course.  Salza is in fact being consistent with the erroneous principles he's promoted right out of the gate, and simply taking them to their actual logical conclusion ... which demonstrates how flawed they are through this reduction ad absurdum of claiming that Biden/Peℓσѕι Catholic + SVs/SSPX not Catholic.
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #3 on: August 20, 2022, 08:46:37 PM »
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #4 on: August 20, 2022, 09:20:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 20, 2022, 08:37:23 PM
    As an aside, I guess it's OK for Bob to call out the errors of Marcel Lefebvre, but I'm not allowed to call out the errors of Bob Sungenis.

    My sources tell me Bobby Sun's erstwhile secretary -- known to CI as M79 -- tried to contact +ABL's people, but did not receive a reply in a timely manner.  Thus, the project proceeded apace...
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #5 on: August 20, 2022, 09:51:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 20, 2022, 08:37:23 PM
    As an aside, I guess it's OK for Bob to call out the errors of Marcel Lefebvre, but I'm not allowed to call out the errors of Bob Sungenis.

    You are still pretending that unjustly calling a good man dishonest is morally the same as just criticism of errors.

    I realize that the qualitative and quantitative differences are inconvenient and embarrassing, but you might consider that it is more embarrassing for the respected theologian at CI to be seen squirming so.
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #6 on: August 20, 2022, 09:54:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 20, 2022, 09:20:17 PM
    My sources tell me Bobby Sun's erstwhile secretary -- known to CI as M79 -- tried to contact +ABL's people, but did not receive a reply in a timely manner.  Thus, the project proceeded apace...
    Oh no! My profession has been revealed… not.

    File your "Bob's secretary" crap with your "heretical heliocentrist" crap.

    Have another drink.  Medical and legal complications from alcohol may just be the intervention you need.
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #7 on: August 20, 2022, 10:31:36 PM »
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    • Here goes Mark, derailing another FE thread…

    He should just be ignored.  I wish he were still banned.  The obsession meter is near 1,000.  He just can’t stop himself. 
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #8 on: August 20, 2022, 10:46:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on August 20, 2022, 09:54:03 PM
    Have another drink.  

    I will do so happily.  Maybe you haven't seen that I have replied to the info you only recently provided and apologized?  Perhaps you do not care.  No worries.  I am truly sorry, I am happy you are geo-centrist, I wish you well and will enthusiastically toast to your health and that of our ladies.
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #9 on: August 21, 2022, 07:20:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 20, 2022, 10:31:36 PM
    Here goes Mark, derailing another FE thread…

    He should just be ignored.  I wish he were still banned.  The obsession meter is near 1,000.  He just can’t stop himself.

    This thread isn't about FE itself, and I did make a side comment first alluding to the absurd "dishonesty" debate.  But I am curious to watch this video if I have time later to hear what they have to say.  It goes on for 2 hours.
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #10 on: August 21, 2022, 08:40:47 AM »
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    • I'm unsure about the globe or FE, but I've been drifting more towards FE these past three or four years. I'm certainly geocentrist. My question is why does the Douay Rheims bible say "globe"? :confused:
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #11 on: August 21, 2022, 08:53:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 21, 2022, 07:20:59 AM
    This thread isn't about FE itself, and I did make a side comment first alluding to the absurd "dishonesty" debate.  But I am curious to watch this video if I have time later to hear what they have to say.  It goes on for 2 hours.
    I watched a bit when it came out, hurts to watch. I had the impression Salza deliberately misrepresents his opposition all the time and you can see it on his face. That Sungenis would associate with him is really sad, I watched a debate John Lane had with Dr. Sungenis and still more disappointment with him unfortunately. I don't mind that his arguments were stupid, but he claimed Lane was insulting him and that he will leave if he continued. Embarrassing.

    Recommend the debate
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #12 on: August 21, 2022, 08:56:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: sram on August 21, 2022, 08:40:47 AM
    I'm unsure about the globe or FE, but I've been drifting more towards FE these past three or four years. I'm certainly geocentrist. My question is why does the Douay Rheims bible say "globe"? :confused:
    I want this question answered. 
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #13 on: August 21, 2022, 11:05:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: sram on August 21, 2022, 08:56:47 AM
    I want this question answered.
    You will get the answer, perhaps, when you are dead.
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    Re: Sungenis and Salza: "The Errors of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre"
    « Reply #14 on: August 21, 2022, 11:46:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: sram on August 21, 2022, 08:40:47 AM
    I'm unsure about the globe or FE, but I've been drifting more towards FE these past three or four years. I'm certainly geocentrist. My question is why does the Douay Rheims bible say "globe"? :confused:

    Where?
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