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Offline Emile

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successor to "Pope" Michael
« on: July 27, 2023, 01:36:45 PM »
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    From Archbishop Martinez 
    The death of Pope Michael and situation of sede vacante occurred on August 2,2022.Public announcements followed on August 9,2022
    A meeting of electors was announced for April 2023. Meetings were held in St. Helen Catholic Mission House, Topeka, Kansas, USA from April 13- April 24, 2023. Papal election was postponed. 
     
    As new date for a conclave The 25th July 2023, Feast of St James, was fixed. The process of finding the successor of Pope Michael via five rounds of lots drawing and a list of candidates was proposed by Archbishop Martinez. The clergy raised no objections against the method or on the selection of candidates before the conclave began. Also, Archbishop Martinez announced Vienna, Austria as venue for the election. 
     
    There were four candidates at the Conclave. Two American priests and Two bishops. 
     
    On the Conclave itself, after Mass of the Holy Spirit at 9 in the morning, profession of faith was done by the participants. 
    Litany of the saints was sung. A priest was elected in that moment. But could not be contacted. A 48 ( Forty eight ) hour rule is given to the selected candidate for him to reply but during the midnight, the priest refused to accept his election.
     
    We will be meeting again at 11:00am 7/27/2023 27 Vienna / Austria. Thank you for your continued prayers
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2023, 01:43:22 PM »
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    Papal election was postponed.
    Rain delay?  :laugh2:
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2023, 03:10:05 PM »
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    • Dear me!!  What are we going to do without a pope?:smirk::clown:
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #3 on: July 27, 2023, 03:16:25 PM »
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    • Where did you find this? Is it on the internet?
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #4 on: July 27, 2023, 04:23:59 PM »
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    • It's so weird, it's like a contest on the radio. "Caller #2, you are now pope! ...Caller #2?"
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #5 on: July 27, 2023, 04:27:43 PM »
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    • Who is this Archbishop Martinez?

    Anyone they choose would be a far sight better than the present occupant of the See of Rome.

    I didn't know him personally and never met him, but from all I've ever seen, David Bawden actually would not have made a bad pope at all.  It became quite the sport to portray him as crazy and delusional, you know, the whole conclave in a Kansas living room and all, but the videos I've seen show me an entirely normal, intelligent, articulate, and presumably holy man.
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #6 on: July 28, 2023, 07:28:31 AM »
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    • I didn't know that he had enough followers to even put together a conclave.
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #7 on: July 28, 2023, 08:47:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 28, 2023, 07:28:31 AM
    I didn't know that he had enough followers to even put together a conclave.
    :pray: :laugh1::laugh2: :pray: :incense:  
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #8 on: July 28, 2023, 06:21:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 28, 2023, 07:28:31 AM
    I didn't know that he had enough followers to even put together a conclave.
    Well, there was a conclave to elect “Pope Michael” in the first place… so there’s a few apparently.  
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #9 on: July 28, 2023, 06:29:14 PM »
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    • Emile, where did you find that quote you posted? I'm curious.
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #10 on: July 28, 2023, 07:06:05 PM »
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #11 on: July 28, 2023, 09:23:57 PM »
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #12 on: July 28, 2023, 09:59:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on July 27, 2023, 04:27:43 PM
    Who is this Archbishop Martinez?


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    https://wrldrels.org/2023/02/04/pope-michael/?fbclid=IwAR2HbDctr9rnFczb_E4Xv2Qzqo8PbCrJybpjpka77wRvIh2bFoSkNbQcuPY

    ...including one archbishop in the Philippines, Rogelio Del Rosario Martinez Jr. (b. 1970), a married man who had earlier been consecrated in the Duarte Costa lineage. In 2020, Martinez submitted to Michael as the pope and reconciled.



    https://www.vaticaninexile.com/october_2022_olive_tree.php

    Spotlight On Our Arch Bishop!
     http://www.vaticaninexile.com/images/ot_2022_10_editorial_01.jpg
    Most Reverend Rogelio Del Rosario Martinez Jr. was born in Manila Philippines on October 31st 1970. His parents are Rogelio Martinez Sr. and Concepcion Del Rosario. Both are deceased. His siblings are Rosa Maria Martinez Clemente and Ricardo Martinez. Both professionals.
    Martinez was baptized Roman Catholic on December 6, 1970. Entered the Seminary after graduation from high school in 1987 at the Immaculate Conception Major Seminary in Guiguinto, Bulacan. From there he finished his Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy ( 1992 ) and Theology ( 1997) with Master of Arts in Pastoral Ministry. Became a College Instructor after graduation in Theology at Centro Escolar University ( 1997-2016). Teaching Philosophy and Religion.
    Married to Ma. Linda Jacinto in 1999 and was blessed with a son, Rogelio III.
    Martinez enrolled in the College of Law in 2000 and graduated in 2004 at Harvardian Colleges, San Fernando, Pampanga.
    By the grace of God, Martinez was ordained deacon on December 7, 2002 and ordained priest on April 12,2003 by Bishop Joseph V. Galaroza, CSC, D. D., Primate of ICAB. (Brazilian Catholic Church) . It's Apostolic Succession can be traced to Bishop Carlos Duarte Costa.
    Martinez became parish priest at Our Lady of Fatima Parish Church at San Jose Del Monte City in 2004. He was ordained bishop by His Excellency Archbishop Joel Clemente and Bishop Heyward Ewart at St. Andrew's Seminary, Quezon City February 6, 2010 . It's Apostolic line was also from Duarte Costa. When Martinez became a bishop, together with his priests, his primary vision was to be reconciled with the Pope in as much as ICAB is in schism. To help him with this intention, he was subcondtionally ordained bishop by Archbishop Neville Anderson and bishop Redpath and Bishop Nield as co-consecrators. But Martinez later on discovered that the Roman Catholic Church in Vatican is not the True Catholic Church today but a Modernist sect. Hence, As a bishop with valid Apostolic Succession from the Roman Catholic Church, Martinez made a decree Motu Propio that his diocese would use the Tridentine Latin Mass to counter the abomination of Novus Ordo Missae and became sedevacantist.
    Research at the internet led him to Pope Michael in 2017. After several exchange of communication, In 2020 His Holiness, Pope Michael, accepted Martinez and reconciled him to the Catholic Church. Pope Michael subsequently appointed Martinez as Archbishop of San Jose Del Monte in the Philippines, February 14, 2020. 





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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #13 on: July 28, 2023, 11:55:42 PM »
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    • One of the links described their process of electing the new "pope" as basically a random drawing, the same way St. Matthias was chosen, I assume from a small pool of candidates. That's not really the same thing as voting. I don't see how this method could be used to validly elect a pope.

    I mean, apart from all the other ways in which this will be the most invalid papal election in 2,000 years. :facepalm:

    Do any of the resident papacy nerds want to weigh in on this? Can you elect a pope by a random drawing instead of by casting votes?
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    Re: successor to "Pope" Michael
    « Reply #14 on: July 29, 2023, 10:46:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on July 28, 2023, 11:55:42 PM
    One of the links described their process of electing the new "pope" as basically a random drawing, the same way St. Matthias was chosen, I assume from a small pool of candidates. That's not really the same thing as voting. I don't see how this method could be used to validly elect a pope.

    I mean, apart from all the other ways in which this will be the most invalid papal election in 2,000 years. :facepalm:

    Do any of the resident papacy nerds want to weigh in on this? Can you elect a pope by a random drawing instead of by casting votes?

    I want to say since the Council of Trent (or it might have been Florence or even before that) it's required that a College of Cardinals vote for the Election of a Pope.  As far as I know this process has not been changed by any valid Pope thus their little drawing is in no way official, binding, or papal in any way.  I don't really follow the going-ons of these people but I'm pretty sure they're invoking "epikeia" or some other loophole to try to make it sound/seem legit.
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