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Stuck in a Rut: Anti-Sedevacantism in the Age of Bergoglio
« on: June 10, 2015, 08:39:27 AM »
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Stuck in a Rut: Anti-Sedevacantism in the Age of Bergoglio

A video by Rev. Anthony Cekada

THE ELECTION of Jorge Mario Bergoglio by the March 2013 conclave was a turning point in the ongoing dispute among Catholic traditionalists over the question of the pope: Do we “recognize” the post-Vatican II popes as true popes, but “resist” them? (The “R&R” position held by the Society of St. Pius X, Bp. Williamson, The Remnant, Catholic Family News and many others) Or do we treat them as public heretics who are not true popes at all? (The sedevacantist position)

Francis’ outrageous public statements and madcap antics have led more and more traditionalists to embrace sedevacantism, and many more to consider doing the same.

This has caused consternation in the R&R camp, which has felt obliged to produce a good number of anti-sedevacantist critiques over the past two years.

I’ve received many requests to answer these critiques, and this video will serve as my response.

The first rut for R&R is following the wrong theologians — Suarez, Cajetan and John of St. Thomas — who maintained that a heretical pope had to be put on trial before he lost his office. This teaching:

    Was subsequently abandoned by theologians, who adopted the position of St. Robert Bellarmine instead.
    Superseded by Paul IV’s Bull cuм ex Apostolatus Officio.
    Results in absurdity, because in our own days, heretical cardinals would be expected to judge a heretical pope.

The second rut for R&R is that they are still arguing the wrong issue — loss of office by a heretical pope — while sedevacantists now argue that Bergoglio could not have become a true pope in the first place. Here we discuss:

    The teaching of canonists that a public heretic is barred by divine law from becoming a true pope.
    R&R’s confusion of the sin of heresy with the canonical crime of heresy.
    R&R’s creation of the “orthodoxy buddy” rule — you can’t become a heretic unless someone warns you.
    Formal vs. material heresy, and how Pius XII’s 1943 Encyclical Mystici Corporis providentially closed R&R’s last escape route.

We conclude by answering six common R&R “pope by default” objections, and by offering an analysis of the underlying problem which forces Catholics to debate these issues.
This was written by Rev. Anthony Cekada. Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2015, at 5:20 am. Filed under Francis / Bergoglio, Sedevacantism, Sedevacantism: Objections, SSPX: Errors, Trad Controversies. Bookmark the permalink. Follow comments here with the RSS feed. Comments are closed, but you can leave a trackback.

Stuck in a Rut: Anti-Sedevacantism in the Age of Bergoglio
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2015, 09:02:59 AM »
This is the same Fr. Cekada whose grasp of Catholic teaching is so tenuous that he found the murder of Terri Schiavo to be morally permissible, right?


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Stuck in a Rut: Anti-Sedevacantism in the Age of Bergoglio
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2015, 09:12:11 AM »
Quote from: BTNYC
This is the same Fr. Cekada whose grasp of Catholic teaching is so tenuous that he found the murder of Terri Schiavo to be morally permissible, right?


That would be the one.

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Stuck in a Rut: Anti-Sedevacantism in the Age of Bergoglio
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2015, 09:13:56 AM »
SVism is the ultimate "rut".  Why?  Because it solves nothing.  Yes, it's important to avoid some of the problems with R&R vis-a-vis Catholic attitudes towards the Magisterium, but what does running around ranting and foaming at the mouth about Bergoglio actually accomplish besides do harm to one's soul, infecting it with bitter zeal.

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Stuck in a Rut: Anti-Sedevacantism in the Age of Bergoglio
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2015, 11:46:39 AM »
It is worth noting.  Fr. Cekada's new sedevacantist argument("hes got nothing to lost/not validly elected") that he is constantly promoting, actually places him at odds with +Sanborn.  +Sanborn argues that their elections have been valid, but that there is an impediment(heresy).  In my opinion, Fr. Cekada's new argument is the only argument for the weak theory that is sedevacantism.  But, he treats these opinions as dogma by way of the language he uses.  And, that can be offensive to opposing ears(+Sanborn).  I wonder if a break will occur.