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Offline Boloki

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« on: September 27, 2013, 02:09:08 PM »
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  • [Moderated.  the OP expressed an (rather unfounded) opinion based on the vocal pitch of Stephen Heiner]


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    « Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 02:16:49 PM »
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  • I had a chuckle reading this, as I've thought much the same when listening to him interview Charles Coulombe and Fr Cekada. Pretty good interviews, but the swishy voice was highly distracting.

    I know very little to nothing about him, but I get the impression that he's a young fellow. If so, he may very well merely be a product of his generation to some degree, as I'm of the belief that the overwhelming majority of men in America under 30 could do with a nice 40oz can of Man Voice.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 02:24:50 PM »
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  • I like his interviews and wish he would give more of them away for free. I don't have enough spare money to justify buying them.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 02:48:54 PM »
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  • Fairly typical voice for a modern young man.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 27, 2013, 03:30:14 PM »
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  • Why not just say his voice pitch is kind of high?  He's not the only one, BTW. Maybe there's even an environmental explanation.

    Define "effeminate".

    Aside from the question of vocal pitch, there is nothing "effeminate" about Stephen Heiner. To suggest otherwise is to slander the man.

    Moreover, when you consider the facts about him, there is plenty of evidence that he is, in fact, virile:

    He's a traditional Catholic, he admires Bishop Williamson, he managed to start at least one business, he's able to handle interviews with more or less famous people, etc.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 27, 2013, 03:42:54 PM »
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  • And he's also full of himself.  But yes, he IS accomplished.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 27, 2013, 04:05:41 PM »
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    And he's also full of himself.  But yes, he IS accomplished.


    He does come across as a bit smarmily self-satisfied. That and the voice put me off looking any further into his work than what I've seen on Youtube (and certainly I don't feel inclined to pay money in order to do so).

    First impressions are often correct, but not always. Fr Cekada's perma-smirk struck me as somewhat irksomely smug. But his "Work of Human Hands" proved to be quite brilliant and I'm glad I didn't let my first impression of him get in the way of my discovering it.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 27, 2013, 04:13:19 PM »
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  • Is this thread anything else than gossip ?


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    « Reply #8 on: September 27, 2013, 04:23:18 PM »
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    Is this thread anything else than gossip ?


    Perhaps it could be redeemed by taking the focus off of Mr Heiner and instead fostering a discussion about the undeniable modern trend of feminization in manner and speech of young American men, even among traditional Catholics who reject the evils of sodomy and effeminacy (and I don't think anyone here was suggesting that Mr Heiner does not reject these evils - certainly I don't mean to suggest that).

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    « Reply #9 on: September 27, 2013, 04:40:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
    Fairly typical voice for a modern young man.


    TKV is correct here, and I think that's what the discussion should be about, not Mr Heimer himself. Modern young men are considerably more feminized in speech than men of earlier generations.

    It's less a matter of vocal pitch than it is of inflection. William Randolph Hearst had a high-pitched voice, but there was nothing really effeminate about it, because men spoke with a masculine cadence in those days - firm, straightforward and declarative. Many young men today speak with feminized inflection - indirect, questioning, excessive use of qualifiers, rising terminals in declarative sentences, etc.

    I don't buy the "hormonal" theories - hormones don't affect cadence and inflection. This is a subject worth talking about because we should be instilling masculine traits in young Catholic men - including speech and mannerism.

    And for what it's worth, "effeminate" is probably the wrong word, because it suggests that the person speaking is a practitioner of that particular vice. "Feminized" seems the more accurate choice.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 05:00:28 PM »
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    I know very little to nothing about him, but I get the impression that he's a young fellow. If so, he may very well merely be a product of his generation to some degree, as I'm of the belief that the overwhelming majority of men in America under 30 could do with a nice 40oz can of Man Voice.


    There are many good intelligent Traditional Catholic men out there whom I assume are doing the best in their milieu to bring forth discussions on the Faith.

    One must also acknowledge that not every one has a voice for radio/tv, public speaking and the like. The pitch, tone and timber of one voice (here I will just stick with males) can be pleasant and suitable for audio productions, or it can be annoying, grating, full of hubris, effeminate, and just plain offputing. I but think of the various sermons or lectures given or listened to. Although the content is great, the delivery is so poor as to detract from what is being said.Listen to Librovox recordings. Some are good. Others are horrible, to the point they are unlistenable.

    To speak well is a talent, and a skill that can be taught and honed. (I am thinking of the movie the King's English as an example.) When I taught public speaking to high school boys, there are some things you can work with and fix.

    I found/find for example, singing Gregorian chant difficult in one aspect because the range tends to be high. I do better with the basso profundo of Byzantine chant (probably has something to do with Polish blood and the whole Slavic thing going on there :smirk:) while men of similar age find it more suitable to their vocal range to chant Gregorian. The same principle can be applied to speaking.

    It takes a good to great effort as well to produce a suitable ear friendly production, be it live or recorded. I have recorded audiobooks for seeing impaired friends, and it can be a time consuming effort. One makes plenty of mistakes.

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    « Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 06:04:28 PM »
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  • I for one love his interviews, and am a regular listener to Restoration Radio, I find most of thier stuff very informative.
    As for Charles Coloumbe, interviews on various historical subjects , I wish only that Steven would "reign" him in more and keep him on target.

    As for younger males being more effeminate, I whole heartily agree. I noticed it especially so in the Western States more than in the East. It seems the "ethnic"people of this country are more masculine than the vanilla American IMO.
     

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    « Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 06:16:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: jmid
    I for one love his interviews, and am a regular listener to Restoration Radio, I find most of thier stuff very informative.
    As for Charles Coloumbe, interviews on various historical subjects , I wish only that Steven would "reign" him in more and keep him on target.

    As for younger males being more effeminate, I whole heartily agree. I noticed it especially so in the Western States more than in the East. It seems the "ethnic"people of this country are more masculine than the vanilla American IMO.
     


    As an aside, you HAVE seen a picture of Stephen Heiner, right?
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    « Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 06:24:31 PM »
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    Is this thread anything else than gossip ?


    My first thought as well. My finger hovered over the "Delete thread" button.

    But then I thought about it some more.

    First, I noticed that a majority of members were speaking in defense of Stephen (insofar as he needed a defense).

    Second, I moderated what I thought was excessive criticism in the OP. High pitched voice, maybe. Effeminate? That's certainly the wrong word.

    Third, as for discussing the man at all -- you have to remember that he's a public man. He does interviews and would be considered a Traditional Catholic media figure. He has a public Youtube channel and thousands of Trad Catholics have seen him and heard his voice on various interviews.

    So it's not like if we don't discuss it here, no one's going to think these very things. Better to discuss it here and correct anyone's erroneous views. Also, as BTNYC suggests, we should talk about the wider issue of "the modern world's feminizing influence on men" rather than picking on one man.

    If we were having a conversation like this about anyone else on here, I WOULD delete it because none of us are media figures. (and for purposes of this discussion, I don't even count, since CathInfo isn't a radio show -- no one hears my voice any more than they hear the voice of a 70-year-old shut-in.)
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    « Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 06:26:29 PM »
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  • Man, I don't know what to think about him ?


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    Bet he loves stir-fried sauerkraut ?
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