Since by grace a person is incorporated in Christ and is united with his members, the consequence is that grace is increased by this sacrament in those who receive it worthily, and that every effect that material food and drink produce for corporal life — sustaining, increasing, repairing and delighting — this sacrament works for spiritual life.

The holy synod especially condemns and censures, in the book, the assertion which is scandalous, erroneous in the faith and offensive to the ears of the pious faithful, namely: Christ sins daily and has sinned daily from his very beginning, even though he avers that he does not understand this as of Christ our saviour, head of the church, but as referring to his members, which together with Christ the head form the one Christ, as he asserts. Also, the propositions, and ones similar to them, which the synod declares are contained in the articles condemned at the sacred council of Constance, namely the following. Not all the justified faithful are members of Christ, but only the elect, who finally will reign with Christ for ever. The members of Christ, from whom the church is constituted, are taken according to the ineffable foreknowledge of God; and the church is constituted only from those who are called according to his purpose of election. To be a member of Christ, it is not enough to be united with him in the bond of charity, some other union is needed. Also the following.

These propositions and others springing from the same root, which are to be found in the said book, this holy synod condemns and censures as erroneous in the faith. Lest it come to pass that any of the faithful fall into error on account of such teaching, the synod strictly forbids anyone to teach, preach, defend or approve the teaching of the said book, especially the aforesaid condemned and censured propositions, and its supporting treatises. It decrees that transgressors shall be punished as heretics and with other canonical penalties. By these measures the synod intends to detract in nothing from the sayings and writings of the holy doctors who discourse on these matters. On the contrary, it accepts and embraces them according to their true understanding as commonly expounded and declared by these doctors and other catholic teachers in the theological schools.

Also, if truly penitent people die in the love of God before they have made satisfaction for acts and omissions by worthy fruits of repentance, their souls are cleansed after death by cleansing pains; and the suffrages of the living faithful avail them in giving relief from such pains, that is, sacrifices of masses, prayers, almsgiving and other acts of devotion which have been customarily performed by some of the faithful for others of the faithful in accordance with the church's ordinances.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441, ex cathedra:

The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church , not only pagans but also Jєωs or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church's sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody  can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.

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The holy synod especially condemns and censures, in the book, the assertion which is scandalous, erroneous in the faith and offensive to the ears of the pious faithful, namely: Christ sins daily and has sinned daily from his very beginning, even though he avers that he does not understand this as of Christ our saviour, head of the church, but as referring to his members, which together with Christ the head form the one Christ, as he asserts. Also, the propositions, and ones similar to them, which the synod declares are contained in the articles condemned at the sacred council of Constance, namely the following. Not all the justified faithful are members of Christ, but only the elect, who finally will reign with Christ for ever. The members of Christ, from whom the church is constituted, are taken according to the ineffable foreknowledge of God; and the church is constituted only from those who are called according to his purpose of election. To be a member of Christ, it is not enough to be united with him in the bond of charity, some other union is needed. Also the following.

Who else can I damn to Hell?

I find this hatred of EENS among so-called Traditional Catholics to be absolutely mind-boggling.

You hide behind Baptism of Desire and use it as a smokescreen when your true intent is to undermine EENS.

Modernism as a heresy has as its ultimate aim the destruction of all dogma.  There is not a dime's worth of difference in principle between Fr. Kramer, Ambrose, Paolo, et. al. and radical Modernists like Fr. Karl Rahner.  While Fr. Rahner is generous in making everybody an Anonymous Christian, Fr. Kramer is petty and stingy.  Should it be any surprise of someone who would have Paolo the Babbler as his spokesman?  Fr. Rahner was honest enough to fairly and accurately judge the teaching of the Church Fathers on the question of the necessity of baptism for salvation while Fr. Kramer keeps lying to himself and anyone else who will listen.

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Quote from: Errors of Michael du Bay

1031 31. Condemned Error:  Perfect and sincere charity, which is from a "pure heart and good conscience and a faith not feigned" [1 Tim. 1:5], can be in catechumens as well as in penitents without the remission of sins.

1032 32. Condemned Error:  That charity which is the fullness of the law is not always connected with the remission of sins.

1033 33. Condemned Error:  A catechumen lives justly and rightly and holily, and observes the commandments of God, and fulfills the law through charity, which is only received in the laver of baptism, before the remission of sins has been obtained.

http://denzinger.patristica.net/#n1000

The above errors were condemned in the Papal Bull Ex omnibus afflictionibus published on October 1, 1567 by Saint Pope Pius V, the Roman Pontiff who confirmed the decrees of the Council of Trent!!!

Yeah, I'm sure that the Council of Florence needs to be interpreted by a FUTURE Papal Bull that has nothing to do with this.

You guys just throw piles of manure at wall hoping that some of it will stick.

31 and 33 essentially reduce to 32 and what's being condemned is the question of whether there can be charity without the remission of sins.  du Bay had this notion of a kind of charity that could exist in the soul while at the same time the guilt of sin would remain.

du Bay is saying essentially, in 31, that a catechumen can have a kind of charity but yet would not be saved if he died in that state because his sins would not have been remitted.  There was some talk among even mainstream theologians of what was called the amor initialis, the beginning love of incipient charity that was a precursor to true supernatural charity.  du Bay simply took that discussion too far.

33 is stating that even when the catechumen receives charity in the laver of Baptism this takes place before the remission of sins has been obtained.  So evidently du Bay believed that even when charity is received in Baptism there wasn't always an immediate remission of sins.

These propositions and others springing from the same root, which are to be found in the said book, this holy synod condemns and censures as erroneous in the faith. Lest it come to pass that any of the faithful fall into error on account of such teaching, the synod strictly forbids anyone to teach, preach, defend or approve the teaching of the said book, especially the aforesaid condemned and censured propositions, and its supporting treatises. It decrees that transgressors shall be punished as heretics and with other canonical penalties. By these measures the synod intends to detract in nothing from the sayings and writings of the holy doctors who discourse on these matters. On the contrary, it accepts and embraces them according to their true understanding as commonly expounded and declared by these doctors and other catholic teachers in the theological schools.